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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: And then your next post is about Silva destroying Dan? He massacred Fedor.

Fedor was clearly past it. Silva and Hendo was champ vs champ. The Hendo vs Fedor fight means about as much as Hendo and Silva fighting now.

Hendo was past it too. Means enough and a perfect example of Dan's greatness. A decade older, giving up 30 pounds and you give no credit because the younger guy was past it.

A good win but certainly doesn't erase all the work that Fedor had done over his career and the consistency he had shown. Fedor was also 0-2 coming into the fight.
Edit to add - TRT TRT TRT TRT TRT TRT TRT TRT can't forget he was using that when he beat Fedor

I'm not being funny but it will be interesting to see what the excuse will be if McGregor beats Aldo again. Odds on favourite is "Aldo is shot", "Prime Aldo beats McGregor every single time".

The reluctance to give Conor credit comes across a little haterish at times. Of course Aldo could beat him in the rematch, he's an ATG and much more well rounded. But Conor's striking is no joke and it's not just power, he has a natural control of distance and great timing. Diaz is regarded by some as one of the best boxers in MMA (look what he did to MJ, and Johnson is a contender) and Conor lit him up in the first couple of rounds of the second fight.

It's also quite funny seeing the words fluke and lucky still getting used. Conor told everyone what was going to happen verbatim. On top of that, there's a video of him warming up pre-fight impersonating Aldo walking like a zombie then stepping back and throwing the hook. It's arguably the least flukey knock out in UFC history. How many other KOs have been called so accurately?

Obviously I'm a fan so I see things differently but I'm also realistic. I was worried about Diaz 2 and I'm worried about Alvarez. If he wins though, he deserves the credit.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Hendo has had a great career but no way is he one of the 5 greatest of all time. Just off the top of my head: GSP, Anderson Silva, Fedor, Aldo, Hughes.

There are probably a few other guys I'd put ahead of him too.

He's definitely greater than Fedor or Hughes.

I have to disagree. Hendo is great but he never ruled a division or was considered the best fighter in the world, let alone for several years like the guys I listed above.

You could argue he was the #1 MW for a little while when Pride introduced that division, but he benefited from a questionable decision against Bustamante and then when he came to the UFC a couple of years later, Anderson made quick work of him.

p4p1 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

p4p1 wrote: Fedor was clearly past it. Silva and Hendo was champ vs champ. The Hendo vs Fedor fight means about as much as Hendo and Silva fighting now.

Hendo was past it too. Means enough and a perfect example of Dan's greatness. A decade older, giving up 30 pounds and you give no credit because the younger guy was past it.

A good win but certainly doesn't erase all the work that Fedor had done over his career and the consistency he had shown. Fedor was also 0-2 coming into the fight.
Edit to add - TRT TRT TRT TRT TRT TRT TRT TRT can't forget he was using that when he beat Fedor

I'm of the opinion that virtually all modern athletes have taken something. So I condemn nobody. Pride was a pharmacy, so I wouldn't feel sorry for Fedor. He may not have been past it so far as cleaned up.

On a side note, I felt the Hendo/Fedor fight was stopped incredibly premature.

Personally, I have Hendo Top 10... be hard to find a place for him in the top 5 at this point in time. But, as Saad stated earlier, it's all subjective. I love Dan, but his inconsistency over the years has been irritating in being a fan. The Shields fight was especially hard to watch.

My Top 5:
1-Jon Jones
2-Anderson Silva
3-GSP
4-Jose Aldo
5-Cruz

I can't envision anyone in the history of MMA at any weight defeating Jones. Only possibility is if someone as big as Lesnar was able to take him down and lay on him for an entire fight.

Impractical Poster wrote:On a side note, I felt the Hendo/Fedor fight was stopped incredibly premature.

Personally, I have Hendo Top 10... be hard to find a place for him in the top 5 at this point in time. But, as Saad stated earlier, it's all subjective. I love Dan, but his inconsistency over the years has been irritating in being a fan. The Shields fight was especially hard to watch.

My Top 5:
1-Jon Jones
2-Anderson Silva
3-GSP
4-Jose Aldo
5-Cruz

I can't envision anyone in the history of MMA at any weight defeating Jones. Only possibility is if someone as big as Lesnar was able to take him down and lay on him for an entire fight.

I disagree about Jones, I think a LHW version of Aldo really gives him problems. Jones leaves himself open a lot during striking and good strikers that can take advantage of that while staying on the feet(few and far between) could conceivably beat him. Jones is weird in a way because his striking is so goofy but his length makes it work, I think without the threat of TDs(hypothetically) we would see him get out struck a lot more. Rumble could be a massive threat for Jones, that's a fight I really want to see. Mighty Mouse is climbing his way up there as well. Up until the McGregor fight I had Aldo below Silva at 2 with IMO Jones, GSP and Aldo being hard to seperate though I do believe GSP should be below Jones and Aldo.

Agree about Hendo he has some of the best wins in MMA but he also has a lot of losses during the same time. He's a lot like Shogun who had some really great victories but didn't string together a great run. In Shoguns case though the 3 knee reconstructions are most likely to blame for such inconsistency.

As for me having Silva at number 1, not only record defences at MW, HW was also WW champion and rated number 1 at WW for a while and then has a top 5 LHW victory. He gave a pretty good account of himself at LHW on a days notice as well against Cormier hell he nearly pulled off the impossible.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jose-aldo- ... 59535.html
Aldo explaining his problems with the UFC. Easy to see why he is disillusioned.

Lineker/Dodson was a pretty nice scrap. Lineker has a scary chin the way he just walked through those head kicks from Dodson. I was getting a bit tired of Dodson's constant moving, and at time running. But, I understand that is what he had to do.

Olivera/Brooks was interesting as well. I hate it when a guy comes in that much overweight. I can understand a half a pound, or something like that. But, Cowboy was over 5lbs over iirc... Then he has the nerve to taunt Brooks after he stopped him. Pretty classless.

Frankie Edgar V Jeremy Stephens
Khabib Nurmagomedov V Michael Johnson
Tim Kennedy V Rashad Evans
Tim Boetsch V Rafael Natal

The official 205 prelim card is arguably good enough to be a standalone Fox card!

Anyone here follow the British mma scene?

Fitzy901 wrote:Anyone here follow the British mma scene?

Nowhere near as much as I should do. Why? Are you part of it?

danamba7 wrote:

Fitzy901 wrote:Anyone here follow the British mma scene?

Nowhere near as much as I should do. Why? Are you part of it?

No mate I train in bjj/Olympic wrestling I don't compete.

There is a really good fighter at Bantamweight called Ed Arthur, every single one of his fights is a barnstormer.

Check hm out of you ever get five minutes.

Fitzy901 wrote:

danamba7 wrote:

Fitzy901 wrote:Anyone here follow the British mma scene?

Nowhere near as much as I should do. Why? Are you part of it?

No mate I train in bjj/Olympic wrestling I don't compete.

There is a really good fighter at Bantamweight called Ed Arthur, every single one of his fights is a barnstormer.

Check hm out of you ever get five minutes.

Will do

More chapters in the Aldo/UFC saga. Dana White now saying they're going to 'find something cool for Jose' alluding to having him on 205. Aldo has supposedly responded to the statement from white saying he only threatened retirement to force the UFCs hand. So I'm thinking the fallout has been that Aldo gets his rematch whether McGregor wins or loses and is going to have an easier fight on 205.

Impractical Poster wrote:I can't envision anyone in the history of MMA at any weight defeating Jones.

Despite the fact he went life and death with Gustaffsson?

Deserter wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I can't envision anyone in the history of MMA at any weight defeating Jones.

Despite the fact he went life and death with Gustaffsson?

You're speaking as if Gus is some stiff. I had that fight a clear 3-2. When champions fight the best all the time, they are bound to have tough fights. The best will prevail. Is that the only tough fight Jones has had?

Aldo keeps whining at the moment. He should just get on with it.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Deserter wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I can't envision anyone in the history of MMA at any weight defeating Jones.

Despite the fact he went life and death with Gustaffsson?

You're speaking as if Gus is some stiff. I had that fight a clear 3-2. When champions fight the best all the time, they are bound to have tough fights. The best will prevail. Is that the only tough fight Jones has had?

The Swede isn't a stiff, but he's hardly an ATG either, so taking Jones to the wire like that hardly implies that he's untouchable in the way you're inferring.

Deserter wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Deserter wrote: Despite the fact he went life and death with Gustaffsson?

You're speaking as if Gus is some stiff. I had that fight a clear 3-2. When champions fight the best all the time, they are bound to have tough fights. The best will prevail. Is that the only tough fight Jones has had?

The Swede isn't a stiff, but he's hardly an ATG either, so taking Jones to the wire like that hardly implies that he's untouchable in the way you're inferring.

I never said he was untouchable, I stated that I don't envision anyone beating him. For me, he is the most dominant fighter in the history of the sport, thus far. The way he handled Cormier leads me to believe that he could handle the heavies quite well. Gus may not be an ATG, but he is one of the best LHWs the division has ever seen. Certain styles give fighters issues. Gus' style gave Jones some issues. I would pick Jones if they were ever to rematch. I would also pick Jones over any other LHW right now. That goes for the heavyweights as well.

Sadly, it looks as if his career is pretty much done, though.

Who do you have beating Jones?

P4p?

Anyone else think GSP scaled up would beat Jones? Definitely more technically-rounded and a great athlete in his own right. Great athlete who's technically polished beats great athlete who isn't ?

Scale gustafson down to GSP's size, GSP wrestle-fucks him for 5 rounds. I think, anyway.

Gustaffson looked pretty average in his last fight but gave both Jones and Cormier tough fights.

I'm just shooting from the hip. I'm not even an mma technical fanboy but somehow the idea of that lanky jerky fornicator being better than the smooth, polished, under-control GSP on a p4p level, when GSP was just as dominant a champ in his own way, somehow offends me. It may be the three glasses of wine, I didn't think I harboured any specific emotions about the relative p4p status of GSP in mma history until now. Its strong shit I'm smoking too, to be fair.

I don't think it's far fetched to say GSP could be the P4P goat. That said I guess people would say his losses to Hughes and being knocked out by Matt Serra damage his legacy a little in a battle with Jones who has never lost outside of a DQ loss against Hamill.

Counter-puncher wrote:P4p?

Anyone else think GSP scaled up would beat Jones? Definitely more technically-rounded and a great athlete in his own right. Great athlete who's technically polished beats great athlete who isn't ?

Same size, I don't think GSP is technically better all around. While GSP is a great wrestler in his own right, I rank Jones higher. I also think Jones is more athletic. He's an athletic freak, really. The way he rag dolled and stopped Chael Sonnen, as well as him being the only mixed martial artist to have been able to take down Cormier speaks volumes.