BoxRec

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 21:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 18:44

hhaehre wrote: ↑13 Feb 2019, 07:02

Duran1970 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:42 Sibson/Klassen

Maybe, but Classen took a solid and prolonged beating in the Scypion fight, in which he actually died. How he was allowed out for that final round is beyond me, they had to hoist him to his feet in the corner.

Kim/Mancini was a brutal fight, which I believe brought about championship fights going from 15 to 12 rounds. Kim's brain was literally torn from it's place and spun around in his head. I saw that fight on network TV. Kim had no history of taking a beating, so in this case it all happened in one fight.

There was no reasonable spot to stop Kim/Mancini. It was brutally hot if I remember correctly.

Just showing an example of when there was no previous fight where the injured, (or in this case, deceased) fighter took a beating. In this case there was absolutely nothing anyone could have done.

Theres one thing that should have been done and that's to NOT make Kim a number 1 contender....even though he fought like it there was no way he should have been given that position...

Primo Carnera vs Jack Sharkey 1+2



Sharkey outpoints Carnera over 15 rounds in a non title Heavyweight contest, only highlights available unfortunately so impossible to gauge the fight played out but Sharkey won wide on the cards, he dropped Carnera in the 4th with a big lead left hook which hurt Carnera bad enough that after rising early he had to drop back to a knee which I think was illegal back then and Sharkey ran away celebrating believing he'd won but the ref told them to carry on, Sharkey had been looking to land that shot before the KD and threw it plenty afterwards as well, Carnera seemed to recover after a few rounds and kept Sharkey on the end of his jab to outbox him, it was Sharkey who got the decision though and by all accounts it was well deserved


Carnera KOs Sharkey in 6 of the rematch to become World Heavyweight champion, just too big and strong for the game Sharkey this time, he had Sharkey down twice in the 1st from big lefts and the ropes kept him up resulting in no knockdown and he was down again in the 5th from what was ruled a slip, Sharkey did have his moments, he nailed Carnera a couple of times with big right hands which steadied Carnera but Carnera manhandled him for the most part, in the 6th Carnera started to hurt Sharkey with both hands which had him on shaky legs, Carnera then caught him with a big right uppercut which had Sharkey down for the full count

I know there were rumours that the fix was in and people ringside claimed no shot landed to KO Sharkey but you can see the uppercut land clearly and Sharkey's head jerk back, plus if Sharkey wanted to throw the fight he wouldn't be trying to take Carnera's head off with those massive right hands

Jack Sharkey vs Young Stribling



Sharkey outpoints Stribling over 10 rounds in a non title Heavyweight contest, messy fight typical of the times, dirty as well, Stribling especially dangerous with the head lunging in and rubbing into Sharkey's face although Sharkey doesn't mind a bit of the illegal stuff as well, Sharkey's class told early on and he had the that bit more about him, better jab and was able to take that half step back to avoid the wild lunges and right hands of Stribling

It did look like Stribling boxed better in the second half as he settled down and tried to box Sharkey, he caught Sharkey with some clean shots but Sharkey regrouped and finished stronger to get the win

handsofstone wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 17:04 Jack Sharkey vs Young Stribling



Sharkey outpoints Stribling over 10 rounds in a non title Heavyweight contest, messy fight typical of the times, dirty as well, Stribling especially dangerous with the head lunging in and rubbing into Sharkey's face although Sharkey doesn't mind a bit of the illegal stuff as well, Sharkey's class told early on and he had the that bit more about him, better jab and was able to take that half step back to avoid the wild lunges and right hands of Stribling

It did look like Stribling boxed better in the second half as he settled down and tried to box Sharkey, he caught Sharkey with some clean shots but Sharkey regrouped and finished stronger to get the win

Worth the watch??

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 17:06

handsofstone wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 17:04 Jack Sharkey vs Young Stribling



Sharkey outpoints Stribling over 10 rounds in a non title Heavyweight contest, messy fight typical of the times, dirty as well, Stribling especially dangerous with the head lunging in and rubbing into Sharkey's face although Sharkey doesn't mind a bit of the illegal stuff as well, Sharkey's class told early on and he had the that bit more about him, better jab and was able to take that half step back to avoid the wild lunges and right hands of Stribling

It did look like Stribling boxed better in the second half as he settled down and tried to box Sharkey, he caught Sharkey with some clean shots but Sharkey regrouped and finished stronger to get the win

Worth the watch??

Nah mate it was pretty poor, in saying that I'm not a fan of the fights around this time, I just like to go through the careers of the so called great fighters, 80% of the fellas that fought at this time were nothing but tough, game, strong and durable

Got it! Thanks.

Jack Sharkey vs Tommy Loughran 1



Sharkey KOs former World Light Heavyweight champ Loughran in the 3rd of a non title Heavyweight contest, Loughran started off well jabbing and moving, countering Sharkey with the right hand as Sharkey stalked and walked forward, at the beginning of the 3rd round out of nowhere, Sharkey came steaming into Loughran and smashed a right hand into his jaw which decked him heavily, Loughran did get up but didn't know where he was and the ref stopped it


Loughran outpointed Sharkey in a rematch over 15 rounds in another non title fight but cant find it on youtube

Jack Sharkey vs Mickey Walker


Sharkey holds former World Welterweight and Middleweight world champ Walker to a 15 round draw, as per only highlights so hard to say who won but I liked the early work of the much smaller Walker, he was aggressive and caught the more upright Sharkey with some big left hook/right hands combos, Sharkey was at his best up close when he was able to manhandle Walker, it wasn't until the later rounds that Sharkey looked like he was in control, jabbing from the outside and coming over with the long right hand

Still it finished a draw and there was no rematch

Georges Carpentier vs Ted Kid Lewis


Carpentier KOs former World Welterweight champ Lewis in 1 round to retain his World Light Heavyweight title, controversial ending as both men were holding and the ref was hopeless at trying to not only separate them but stop them both from throwing, he was trying to break them up for about 10 seconds, both men were holding and hitting each other, Carpentier stunned Lewis with an uppercut and Lewis let his guard down as the ref took a step back and Carpentier poleaxed him with a big right hand that left Lewis collapsed in a heap on his back wondering WTF just happened

I wouldn't call it a foul myself Lewis was giving as good as he got in the clinches, I blame the ref more, he could've done a better job of breaking them up

Watched the Third Griffith-Paret fight.

I know this fight has been discussed on this thread so I will keep it brief.

Paret looked damaged goods throughout. I think the Fullmer fight effected him.

Griffith dominated throughout. Probably the best performance of his career.

The ref should of jumped in sooner.
Unconscious and draped over the rope somehow he still allows about 10 punches to come in.

One of those fights that sickens me to my stomach.

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 07:11 Watched the Third Griffith-Paret fight.

I know this fight has been discussed on this thread so I will keep it brief.

Paret looked damaged goods throughout. I think the Fullmer fight effected him.

Griffith dominated throughout. Probably the best performance of his career.

The ref should of jumped in sooner.
Unconscious and draped over the rope somehow he still allows about 10 punches to come in.

One of those fights that sickens me to my stomach.

Beggars belief so it is, and to think Ruby Goldstein was supposed to be one of the greatest refs of all time, he was a disgrace

handsofstone wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:35

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 07:11 Watched the Third Griffith-Paret fight.

I know this fight has been discussed on this thread so I will keep it brief.

Paret looked damaged goods throughout. I think the Fullmer fight effected him.

Griffith dominated throughout. Probably the best performance of his career.

The ref should of jumped in sooner.
Unconscious and draped over the rope somehow he still allows about 10 punches to come in.

One of those fights that sickens me to my stomach.

Beggars belief so it is, and to think Ruby Goldstein was supposed to be one of the greatest refs of all time, he was a disgrace

A horrible scene it was.

handsofstone wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:35

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 07:11 Watched the Third Griffith-Paret fight.

I know this fight has been discussed on this thread so I will keep it brief.

Paret looked damaged goods throughout. I think the Fullmer fight effected him.

Griffith dominated throughout. Probably the best performance of his career.

The ref should of jumped in sooner.
Unconscious and draped over the rope somehow he still allows about 10 punches to come in.

One of those fights that sickens me to my stomach.

Beggars belief so it is, and to think Ruby Goldstein was supposed to be one of the greatest refs of all time, he was a disgrace

I didn’t count the punches he took unconscious but it’s a fair few.

Goldstein doesn’t deserve to be in the conversation based completely on how bad his performance was here.

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:42

handsofstone wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:35

PredatorHayds wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 07:11 Watched the Third Griffith-Paret fight.

I know this fight has been discussed on this thread so I will keep it brief.

Paret looked damaged goods throughout. I think the Fullmer fight effected him.

Griffith dominated throughout. Probably the best performance of his career.

The ref should of jumped in sooner.
Unconscious and draped over the rope somehow he still allows about 10 punches to come in.

One of those fights that sickens me to my stomach.

Beggars belief so it is, and to think Ruby Goldstein was supposed to be one of the greatest refs of all time, he was a disgrace

I didn’t count the punches he took unconscious but it’s a fair few.

Goldstein doesn’t deserve to be in the conversation based completely on how bad his performance was here.

Agreed

Duran1970 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 01:57 Theres one thing that should have been done and that's to NOT make Kim a number 1 contender....even though he fought like it there was no way he should have been given that position...

Agreed. There was no reason for him to be the #1 ranked contender. Tet another example of how corrupt the WBS organizations are. He did fight his heart out, which unfortunately cost him his life. It wasn't like Paret-Griffith III where it was much more obvious that the referee should have stopped the fight.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 12:02

Duran1970 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 01:57 Theres one thing that should have been done and that's to NOT make Kim a number 1 contender....even though he fought like it there was no way he should have been given that position...

Agreed. There was no reason for him to be the #1 ranked contender. Tet another example of how corrupt the WBS organizations are. He did fight his heart out, which unfortunately cost him his life. It wasn't like Paret-Griffith III where it was much more obvious that the referee should have stopped the fight.

And a further tragic postscript to that fight was that the referee Richard Greene committed suicide a few months later.

I watched Stanley Ketchel v Billy Papke at the weekend (not sure which one of their fights it was), Papke looks to be wearing a thong. The fight itself wasn't anything to get excited by, just the pair of them wrestling it out. But those shorts though...

Flump wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 12:56

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 12:02

Duran1970 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 01:57 Theres one thing that should have been done and that's to NOT make Kim a number 1 contender....even though he fought like it there was no way he should have been given that position...

Agreed. There was no reason for him to be the #1 ranked contender. Tet another example of how corrupt the WBS organizations are. He did fight his heart out, which unfortunately cost him his life. It wasn't like Paret-Griffith III where it was much more obvious that the referee should have stopped the fight.

And a further tragic postscript to that fight was that the referee Richard Greene committed suicide a few months later.

Also Kim's mother killed herself as well shortly after

Battling Siki vs Georges Carpentier



Siki stops Carpentier in 6 to become World Light Heavyweight champion although initially it was awarded to Carpentier on a foul, fun fight actually better than most ive seen from that era, there was wrestling but not as messy as some, Carpentier started off well drilling Siki with the right hand and staggering him a couple of times, no surprised that was the shot that decked Siki in the 3rd but Siki put Carpentier down with the same shot in the same round and after that it was Siki who was on top

In the 6th Siki was battering Carpentier around the ring and he sort of kicked Carpentier as he put him down, hard to tell if a punch landed but Carpentier went down clutching his leg and couldn't continue, he was awarded the win at first but the result was changed to a KO win for Siki before both men left the ring

Kid Gavilan vs Ralph "Tiger" Jones 1


Gavilan outpoints Jones over 10 rounds in a non title contest which I think was at Middleweight despite Gavilan being the reigning Welterweight champ, good fight, fun, lots of exchanges and although it was a game effort from Jones and he had success and he was the aggressor for the vast majority of the fight it was Gavilan who won most of the rounds by being that bit sharper, skilful, better jab and more often than not was getting the last word in the exchanges


Gavilan seemed to rock Jones in the 2nd and 10th rounds but Jones fought his way out of trouble bravely, Gavilan had most success with his left hook come uppercut and as the fight progressed he started throwing the bolos more and more, competitive fight and Jones played his part but Gavilan comfortable winner for me, the 10th round was a slugfest


Jones would go on to outpoint Gavilan in a rematch but lose a rubber match, both SDs, neither available

Gavilan actually fought several middleweights during his career with mixed results. He probably could have won a title at 154 had it existed at the time.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 14:39

Flump wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 12:56

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Mar 2019, 12:02

Duran1970 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 01:57 Theres one thing that should have been done and that's to NOT make Kim a number 1 contender....even though he fought like it there was no way he should have been given that position...

Agreed. There was no reason for him to be the #1 ranked contender. Tet another example of how corrupt the WBS organizations are. He did fight his heart out, which unfortunately cost him his life. It wasn't like Paret-Griffith III where it was much more obvious that the referee should have stopped the fight.

And a further tragic postscript to that fight was that the referee Richard Greene committed suicide a few months later.

Also Kim's mother killed herself as well shortly after

That's so very sad. I hadn't known that.

Re-watched McGuigan v Pedroza after having heard of Eusebio's passing.

I was "allowed" to watch the fight as my Dad - who was really a cricketing man - understood it was a big event and had noticed that in the build-up I was doing worthwhile stuff like reading his newspaper or watching the evening news

Even now it feels like a proper championship fight - 15 rounds of hard boxing for a prized title - and an old champion who must have gone through hell to make the weight not giving an inch despite being in a hard place against a favoured, massively supported opponent.

McGuigan got the title the right way that night.......Pedroza signed-off in style and with more than a suggestion that 18 months earlier he'd have silenced Loftus Road.

Johnny Saxton vs Kid Gavilan



Saxton beats Gavilan via UD to win the World Welterweight title in probably one of the worst 15 rounders ive seen in my life which considering some of the shite ive watched is really something, every round was near identical, a lot of posing and posturing on the outside then wrestling and spoiling up close, rinse repeat for 14 rounds, the last round was great and both men neglected to hold and instead fought it out but everything before that was dreadful

The styles just didn't gel and it made for a boring fight with not much quality on show, it mustve been a nightmare to score which makes it all the more surprising the challenger Saxton got it, if anything I preferred the slightly more eye catching work of Gavilan but the quality was that sparse nobody can have any complaints, utter horsesh1t