Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 18 Feb 2009, 23:23




I only saw him fight once, in the rematch with Gil King. But as a lightweight he was supposed to be something. I've found articles where it was mentioned they wanted him to fight Mando Ramos for the title and he was doing awesome with wins over Ruben, Bunny Grant, Frankie Narvaez and Alfredo Urbina. But then something funny happened, he gets sparked inexplicably in 5 rounds by Mexican clubfighter Delfino Rosales and really goes downhill from there. On Rosales' record he never really achieves anything. He did fight Saldivar for the Mexican 126 lb. title which was fairly cool, but the only other real nme on his log was Dwight Hawkins, whom amazingly, he KO'd in 9. Really nothing else of notoriety but this Rosales takes out 2 of the most highly rated fighters in the game at the time. In boxing anything can happen. Does anyone remember those fights?Rick Farris wrote:dagosd2000 wrote:Guyskikibalt wrote:
Anything on Arturo Lomeli? Saw him fight in TJ against Hedge Lewis and his final fight against Quincy Daniels at the Coliseum. I thought he was a worthy fighter.
Roger . . . On this night, Arturo Lomeli gave the "Maravilla Kid" an ass-whipping, knocking him down twice on his way to a unanimous dec. win (Navarro's first pro loss). Two years later, Ruben would get his revenge at the Olympic easily outpointing the Mexican Lightweight champ. I fought on the undecard of that one.
-Rick
Was Eddie Futch a neighbor of yours, Frank?kikibalt wrote:
These were L.A. boxing personalities that passed in 1994. Here is some irony. About a year before this was printed, I heard John Cabrera tell somebody that Frank Baltazar Sr. had passed away. A year later Cabrera was gone, fifteen years later our Frankie is still going strong!kikibalt wrote:
Little known fact; Randy was in a televised match on the under card of the Bethea Vs. Quarry fight.kikibalt wrote:TOM “THE BOMB” BETHEA
By Jim Amato
Although he won only one more fight then he lost in his career Tom “The Bomb” Bethea was once ranked among the world’s leading middleweights and light heavyweights. Bethea turned pro in 1967 and won nine of his first eleven bouts. He then suffered a KO loss to Leon Washington. Tom Bethea was always matched tough throughout his career. He next lost decisions to future middleweight king Carlos Monzon and former welterweight champ Luis Rodriguez.
On March 13, 1970 Bethea was paired up with reigning middleweight titleholder Nino Benvenuti in a non-title fight. The battle took place in Australia. Whether Nino was in top shape is debatable. The fact is that Bethea dished out quite a body beating to Benvenuti forcing Nino to quit. It was a stunning upset and a rematch with the title on the line was immediate. This time Nino boxed smartly and was well ahead when he halted Bethea in the eighth round.
From this point on Bethea lost as many as he would win but he faced nothing but first-rate opposition. He lost to Bennie Briscoe, Jean Claude Bouttier, Billy Douglas and Ralph Palladin. Bethea then moved up to light heavyweight. He suffered defeats at the hands of Bobby Cassidy and Eddie “Bossman” Jones but he did beat the highly regarded Lonnie Bennett. In a ten fight streak between 1974 - 1976 Tom went 8-0-2. He bested Domenico Adinolfi, Tom Bogs and Douglas in a return. Bethea was now ranked among the worlds best at 175 pounds. Then came a close decision loss to Mike Quarry. Losses to Marvin Johnson, Michael Spinks and Marvin Camel would follow before Tom retired.
Although his 46 bout record stands at 22-21-3, this is clearly not reflective of the quality opponents he faced. Bethea met six world champions and eight others who attempted to win a title in his very respectable career.
RickRick Farris wrote:Guys . . . I just wrote what was probably the best boxing story I've ever written. It didn't start out that way, but as I wrote a post relating to an LA memory, I started to develop it, and things just kinda flowed, which is a good thing for a writer. It took me about three hours, the last half hour just editing. When I hit the "submit" button, the page disappeared and the notice came that my web page for our thread had expired. I paniced, trying to save the story, but it was lost. It happened years before to me when I was posting on the CBZ, but this was really special. I know better than to write something here, and should have done it off line, and then posted it. Damn, I think you guys would have liked it, it was something I would use in the future.
Oh well, that's life . . .
-Rick
You're right Danny. It's my own fault. It started as a simple post, but it grew, and was really too long for this thread, but still a quick read. I'll try to redo it, sometime, not today. It was a Mando Ramos memory. I found myself sitting in that time machine, it took me back to December 10th, 1970. Yeah, I'll rewrite it and add a copy of the program for his fight with former stablemate, Raul Rojas. It was a great night, a huge crowd, an Olympic box-office record breaker. I fought, Mando Muniz fought and so did Irish Frankie Crawford. We were on the televised portion of the program, but the only ones who would see Mando fight were in the house, and it had sold out six hours after tickets went on sale weeks earlier. Anyway, it was a great night, and I'll share it with everybody soon.Wildhawke11 wrote:RickRick Farris wrote:Guys . . . I just wrote what was probably the best boxing story I've ever written. It didn't start out that way, but as I wrote a post relating to an LA memory, I started to develop it, and things just kinda flowed, which is a good thing for a writer. It took me about three hours, the last half hour just editing. When I hit the "submit" button, the page disappeared and the notice came that my web page for our thread had expired. I paniced, trying to save the story, but it was lost. It happened years before to me when I was posting on the CBZ, but this was really special. I know better than to write something here, and should have done it off line, and then posted it. Damn, I think you guys would have liked it, it was something I would use in the future.
Oh well, that's life . . .
-Rick
Sorry to say this but you have to learn the hard way. Its like you forever telling a novice fighter to keeps his hands up and he still drops them. Hit him hard on the jaw a couple of times he will learn pretty fast. Sometimes as they say you have to be cruel to be kind. I have done it many times in the past Rick but now if on line i save at regular intervals, so at least i don't have to start all over again.
Thank for the welcome Rick
Now who else have i not Thanked Ahhhhhhhhh Frank, Bennie, and Roger -- Cheers
If i missed anyone buy yourself a beer on me and ask the barmen to put it on my tab
Roger thanks, I'll put you on the list, we are in the process of planning this years trip that will be June 14 to June 20. On my way I will detour to Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo to see my daughter graduate from college on the 13th,dagosd2000 wrote:BASURALANDIA
I hadn't been up there in a long time. Not since I was living in Tijuana 30 or so years ago. I don't know what compelled me to drive up there. It was about 3 months agp. I was in that part of Tijuana by the Boulevard. I had a hard time finding it.I had to ask directions and drive around dirt roads to find it. It's way in the back on the outskirts. Tijuaneros call the place Basuralandia. Trash Land in English. I think it's an official Colonia. Even has an official name. I'm not sure.
Basuralandia is Tijuana's dump. People live off that dump. It's their world.Many of the people there are dying of AIDS,TB,and gangrene. Everything in that trash they try to make use of. Cardboard boxes, empty paint cans,greasy clothes,garbage. They make their houses and eat their food from the trash people throw away in Tijuana. People in Tijuana don't throw things away like they do in parts of San Diego. Some people here throw away antiques and microwaves that piss them off because the light doesn't come on anymore when they open the door.
About ten years ago I was watching the local news on TV. They were doing a piece on Basuralandia. The plight of those people. The people there wanted the city to build them a school so their kids could learn to read and write. Yoko Ono,the late John Lennon's wife, was in the studio promoting a rock concert for her son. When she saw the piece on Basuralandia, she wrote a check for 6 thousand dollars so they could have a school.
Mother Teresa opened a mission there. The old Saint would live there with the people and do her work. I'd see her once in a while at the penatentiary visiting the sick prisoners who didn't get visitors because they had no one.
Yeh,I don't know what made me go up there.Maybe I needed to know that there are billions of people in this world that are suffering. Not just to read it in the papers or see it on the news.
I watched the stooped shoulders sifting through the rubbish. Slowly picking and sifting. Their bodies silohuetted against the gray sky. All that overlooked the city.I wanted to see that I guess.
You guys know Bruce. Bobbin' and Weavin'. He emailed me the other day. His church constructs houses for needy people. He wants to set up a base of operations in San Diego and perhaps make connections to cross the border to make some houses in Tijuana.
I gave Bruce a number to call. I hope he can put things together. If he does ,I want him to give me a jingle.I'd like to help.
Bruce,if that happens and you're looking for some place to go ,I can always steer you to Basuralandia.
Wonder if it's available?Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Little known fact; Randy was in a televised match on the under card of the Bethea Vs. Quarry fight.kikibalt wrote:TOM “THE BOMB” BETHEA
By Jim Amato
Although he won only one more fight then he lost in his career Tom “The Bomb” Bethea was once ranked among the world’s leading middleweights and light heavyweights. Bethea turned pro in 1967 and won nine of his first eleven bouts. He then suffered a KO loss to Leon Washington. Tom Bethea was always matched tough throughout his career. He next lost decisions to future middleweight king Carlos Monzon and former welterweight champ Luis Rodriguez.
On March 13, 1970 Bethea was paired up with reigning middleweight titleholder Nino Benvenuti in a non-title fight. The battle took place in Australia. Whether Nino was in top shape is debatable. The fact is that Bethea dished out quite a body beating to Benvenuti forcing Nino to quit. It was a stunning upset and a rematch with the title on the line was immediate. This time Nino boxed smartly and was well ahead when he halted Bethea in the eighth round.
From this point on Bethea lost as many as he would win but he faced nothing but first-rate opposition. He lost to Bennie Briscoe, Jean Claude Bouttier, Billy Douglas and Ralph Palladin. Bethea then moved up to light heavyweight. He suffered defeats at the hands of Bobby Cassidy and Eddie “Bossman” Jones but he did beat the highly regarded Lonnie Bennett. In a ten fight streak between 1974 - 1976 Tom went 8-0-2. He bested Domenico Adinolfi, Tom Bogs and Douglas in a return. Bethea was now ranked among the worlds best at 175 pounds. Then came a close decision loss to Mike Quarry. Losses to Marvin Johnson, Michael Spinks and Marvin Camel would follow before Tom retired.
Although his 46 bout record stands at 22-21-3, this is clearly not reflective of the quality opponents he faced. Bethea met six world champions and eight others who attempted to win a title in his very respectable career.![]()
Bruce
The above photo shows Lionel Rose winning a ten-round decision over Jose Medel in a non-title fight at the Forum. It was the second boxing promotion for George Parnassus at the Fabulous Forum, which had just opened it's doors as L.A.'s premier indoor sports venue several months earlier. The Rose-Castillo bout would end in a riot.kikibalt wrote:
Yes, he lived less then a mile from me, we used to run into each other all the time around town.raylawpc wrote:Was Eddie Futch a neighbor of yours, Frank?kikibalt wrote:
Rick...when the rumor about me dying was going around the SoCal boxing community people started calling the house for info, services, etc, Dub Huntey called, Connie answered the phone and Dub asked for me and Connie told him that I was asleep, he said Okay I'll call later, then he started calling everybody he could to tell'em "The S-B ain't dead, he just asleep", he late told me this. He too told me that when he called and Connie answered he couldn't get himself to asked about services so he just asked for me.Rick Farris wrote:These were L.A. boxing personalities that passed in 1994. Here is some irony. About a year before this was printed, I heard John Cabrera tell somebody that Frank Baltazar Sr. had passed away. A year later Cabrera was gone, fifteen years later our Frankie is still going strong!kikibalt wrote:![]()
-Rick Farris

Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Little known fact; Randy was in a televised match on the under card of the Bethea Vs. Quarry fight.kikibalt wrote:TOM “THE BOMB” BETHEA
By Jim Amato
I remember watching Tom "The Bomb" Bethea against Michael Spinks on the undercard of Leon's win over Ali. This was in February of '78. Although Bethea was at the end of his career, he still looked very capable. He lost this eight rounder by decision. I know that he beat Nino Benvenuti in a non-title fight. Was Gil Clancy involved in his career for a time? I'm glad that such a good, courageous fighter is still remembered.
Although he won only one more fight then he lost in his career Tom “The Bomb” Bethea was once ranked among the world’s leading middleweights and light heavyweights. Bethea turned pro in 1967 and won nine of his first eleven bouts. He then suffered a KO loss to Leon Washington. Tom Bethea was always matched tough throughout his career. He next lost decisions to future middleweight king Carlos Monzon and former welterweight champ Luis Rodriguez.
On March 13, 1970 Bethea was paired up with reigning middleweight titleholder Nino Benvenuti in a non-title fight. The battle took place in Australia. Whether Nino was in top shape is debatable. The fact is that Bethea dished out quite a body beating to Benvenuti forcing Nino to quit. It was a stunning upset and a rematch with the title on the line was immediate. This time Nino boxed smartly and was well ahead when he halted Bethea in the eighth round.
From this point on Bethea lost as many as he would win but he faced nothing but first-rate opposition. He lost to Bennie Briscoe, Jean Claude Bouttier, Billy Douglas and Ralph Palladin. Bethea then moved up to light heavyweight. He suffered defeats at the hands of Bobby Cassidy and Eddie “Bossman” Jones but he did beat the highly regarded Lonnie Bennett. In a ten fight streak between 1974 - 1976 Tom went 8-0-2. He bested Domenico Adinolfi, Tom Bogs and Douglas in a return. Bethea was now ranked among the worlds best at 175 pounds. Then came a close decision loss to Mike Quarry. Losses to Marvin Johnson, Michael Spinks and Marvin Camel would follow before Tom retired.
Although his 46 bout record stands at 22-21-3, this is clearly not reflective of the quality opponents he faced. Bethea met six world champions and eight others who attempted to win a title in his very respectable career.![]()
Bruce
I would love to see Randys fight on the undercard that night.Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Little known fact; Randy was in a televised match on the under card of the Bethea Vs. Quarry fight.kikibalt wrote:TOM “THE BOMB” BETHEA
By Jim Amato
Although he won only one more fight then he lost in his career Tom “The Bomb” Bethea was once ranked among the world’s leading middleweights and light heavyweights. Bethea turned pro in 1967 and won nine of his first eleven bouts. He then suffered a KO loss to Leon Washington. Tom Bethea was always matched tough throughout his career. He next lost decisions to future middleweight king Carlos Monzon and former welterweight champ Luis Rodriguez.
On March 13, 1970 Bethea was paired up with reigning middleweight titleholder Nino Benvenuti in a non-title fight. The battle took place in Australia. Whether Nino was in top shape is debatable. The fact is that Bethea dished out quite a body beating to Benvenuti forcing Nino to quit. It was a stunning upset and a rematch with the title on the line was immediate. This time Nino boxed smartly and was well ahead when he halted Bethea in the eighth round.
From this point on Bethea lost as many as he would win but he faced nothing but first-rate opposition. He lost to Bennie Briscoe, Jean Claude Bouttier, Billy Douglas and Ralph Palladin. Bethea then moved up to light heavyweight. He suffered defeats at the hands of Bobby Cassidy and Eddie “Bossman” Jones but he did beat the highly regarded Lonnie Bennett. In a ten fight streak between 1974 - 1976 Tom went 8-0-2. He bested Domenico Adinolfi, Tom Bogs and Douglas in a return. Bethea was now ranked among the worlds best at 175 pounds. Then came a close decision loss to Mike Quarry. Losses to Marvin Johnson, Michael Spinks and Marvin Camel would follow before Tom retired.
Although his 46 bout record stands at 22-21-3, this is clearly not reflective of the quality opponents he faced. Bethea met six world champions and eight others who attempted to win a title in his very respectable career.![]()
Bruce
kikibalt wrote:YOUNGSTOWN PRIDE: TONY JANIRO
By Jim Amato
With Youngstown’s Kelly Pavik set to defend his middleweight title Saturday night in his hometown. I thought I’d mention another great Youngstown middleweight from days gone by.
Tony Janiro…
This article was a long time coming. Over the years through my friends in the Youngstown area I have learned a lot about the rich boxing history in that region. I was familiar with Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini but I knew little about his dad Lenny Mancini who passed on the “Boom Boom” moniker to his son. I knew about hard hitting Harry Arroyo and the murderous body punching of Jeff Lampkin. I was even able to witness live the tremendous boxing talent of Greg Richardson.
Through my friends I became aware of very special fighters of yesteryear like Tommy Bell, Red D’Amato and Sonny Horne. So many more that I could mention. One fighter I heard quite a bit about was a smooth boxing contender who as they say, “put Asses in the seats”. He fought in an era when a multitude of rugged contenders roamed the ratings. He met the best of them and had quite a career. His name was Tony Janiro.
Janiro turned professional in 1943 at the tender age of 16. He won his first 23 bouts until meeting defeat against tough Al Guido. Tony then went on a 16-fight win streak including a rematch victory over Guido. In 1945 he lost two out of three verdicts to popular Canadian Johnny Greco. Still Janiro was winning more the he lost as he climbed in the ratings. In 1947 he scored a big decision win over Tony Pellone. Janiro then notched one of his best wins when he halted the great Beau Jack in four.
A few months later Jake LaMotta proved too strong for Tony and won the decision. The year 1948 was a rough one as Tony lost to Laverne Roach and a return with Beau Jack. He also drew with Lou Valles. In 1949 he lost to Henry Hall and then he was defeated by one of the best middleweights in the world, Rocky Castellani. The resiliant Janiro bounced back with a win over clever Charley Fusari. Tony then drew with the “Rock” himself, Rocky Graziano. Tony lost a return to Graziano and later lost to the marvelous Kid Gavilan.
Tony continued to meet top shelf opposition in 1951. He lost to Fritzie Pruden but defeated Fusari again. He then lost to the always-troublesome Laurent Dauthuille. Then came a controversial KO loss in the tenth round of his third meeting with Graziano. Tony was then stopped in a return match with Gavilan. Tony’s career ended in 1952 with a knockout loss to Charles Humez.
Tony Janiro won 80 of 97 fights. He met four world champions and three others who challenged for a crown. That’s not to mention the several top contenders he tangled with.Tony Janiro surely added to the great pride and lore of boxing in Youngstown and it’s surrounding area.
For those who live in Youngstown, Ohio in an unusual move, Top Rank will open the final press conference to the public. Doors at the Chevrolet Center will open to the public at 11AM with the news conference beginning at noon. Pavlik, Rubio and Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum will be on hand. There is no charge for entry. Pavlik and Rubio collide Saturday on pay-per-view.