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markp wrote:in this thread we see the exact same attitude and comments that were directed at Ali a few decades ago.

No No No - Remember Ali was being forced to actually go and fight in a war. His stance was that he was not prepared to fight and kill a race people that hadn't oppressed him in the way many blacks were still being oppressed in the USA. "No viet-cong ever called me person"

Ali never once insulted the soldiers of the US Army.

Please don't confuse the two. Small's comments had completely different sentiments entirely.

The Taliban hung a 7 year old kid last month. A little Boy no less. no different to the crimes of reviled pedo's like Roy Whiting and Sydney Cook remember. Is Small condoning that saying we are 2as one and stand as one". The very people the Taliban are harming are indeed Muslims. Afghanistan's poppy fields infect our countries and they allow the country to be used as a training base for Terrorism which ultimately harms our people. Small is short-sighted and completely ignorant.

"Muslims are one and stand as one" he said. So I take it; 9/11, 7/7, hanging a 7 year old
is all fine and done with the full endorsement of Small.

That's the bottom line. I wonder if he would have been pleased if his kids had been on the bus in Russell Square when his "brothers" blew it up in his name?

Millions of good and peaceful Muslims despise the likes of Anthony Small as would Ali I am sure. Please don't confuse the two in any way, they have nothing in common whatsoever.
(Ali could fight as well!)

Any Promoter who puts Small on should be boycotted and ashamed and no boxer should agree to fight him. Anything that earns him money should be blocked as clearly he is happy to spend it on "standing as one" with real baby killers and murderers.

He has probably done more for the BNP than Nick Griffin ever could. That is a worry as well.
Freedom of speech is one thing that we should protect. Treason is altogether different.

Lord Haw Haw is a better comparison that ALI.

Well here's a first 100% with you BC.
Excellent post.

yup credit where it is due x2

twenty six wrote:Well here's a first 100% with you BC.
Excellent post.

Good points made, I agree

boxingchat wrote:

markp wrote:in this thread we see the exact same attitude and comments that were directed at Ali a few decades ago.

No No No - Remember Ali was being forced to actually go and fight in a war. His stance was that he was not prepared to fight and kill a race people that hadn't oppressed him in the way many blacks were still being oppressed in the USA. "No viet-cong ever called me person"

Ali never once insulted the soldiers of the US Army.

Please don't confuse the two. Small's comments had completely different sentiments entirely.

The Taliban hung a 7 year old kid last month. A little Boy no less. no different to the crimes of reviled pedo's like Roy Whiting and Sydney Cook remember. Is Small condoning that saying we are 2as one and stand as one". The very people the Taliban are harming are indeed Muslims. Afghanistan's poppy fields infect our countries and they allow the country to be used as a training base for Terrorism which ultimately harms our people. Small is short-sighted and completely ignorant.

"Muslims are one and stand as one" he said. So I take it; 9/11, 7/7, hanging a 7 year old
is all fine and done with the full endorsement of Small.

That's the bottom line. I wonder if he would have been pleased if his kids had been on the bus in Russell Square when his "brothers" blew it up in his name?

Millions of good and peaceful Muslims despise the likes of Anthony Small as would Ali I am sure. Please don't confuse the two in any way, they have nothing in common whatsoever.
(Ali could fight as well!)

Any Promoter who puts Small on should be boycotted and ashamed and no boxer should agree to fight him. Anything that earns him money should be blocked as clearly he is happy to spend it on "standing as one" with real baby killers and murderers.

He has probably done more for the BNP than Nick Griffin ever could. That is a worry as well.
Freedom of speech is one thing that we should protect. Treason is altogether different.

Lord Haw Haw is a better comparison that ALI.

Agreed.

War is killing and alot of the time, its the innocent ppl who suffer.

That is wrong. Soldiers 'doing their jobs' etc....rubbish, innocent children die and yet there is talk about soldiers doing a job or heroism???

If thats what you believe then, you have no right to have a go at Small, as your views are just as radical and wrong as his.

Supporting invading forces who deliberately or 'otherwise', attack, kill the local population to get at some terrorists is fcking WRONG!

This is not about removing 'a terrorist group'.

War causes so much pain for those who are in the line of it, yet we have trained ourselves to accept that its ok. Human beings at their worst and propaganda to the max to try to justify it. Despicable to be honest. I will leave it there as I get very, very angry about stuff like this.

boxingchat wrote:

markp wrote:in this thread we see the exact same attitude and comments that were directed at Ali a few decades ago.

No No No - Remember Ali was being forced to actually go and fight in a war. His stance was that he was not prepared to fight and kill a race people that hadn't oppressed him in the way many blacks were still being oppressed in the USA. "No viet-cong ever called me person"

Ali never once insulted the soldiers of the US Army.

Please don't confuse the two. Small's comments had completely different sentiments entirely.

The Taliban hung a 7 year old kid last month. A little Boy no less. no different to the crimes of reviled pedo's like Roy Whiting and Sydney Cook remember. Is Small condoning that saying we are 2as one and stand as one". The very people the Taliban are harming are indeed Muslims. Afghanistan's poppy fields infect our countries and they allow the country to be used as a training base for Terrorism which ultimately harms our people. Small is short-sighted and completely ignorant.

"Muslims are one and stand as one" he said. So I take it; 9/11, 7/7, hanging a 7 year old
is all fine and done with the full endorsement of Small.

That's the bottom line. I wonder if he would have been pleased if his kids had been on the bus in Russell Square when his "brothers" blew it up in his name?

Millions of good and peaceful Muslims despise the likes of Anthony Small as would Ali I am sure. Please don't confuse the two in any way, they have nothing in common whatsoever.
(Ali could fight as well!)

Any Promoter who puts Small on should be boycotted and ashamed and no boxer should agree to fight him. Anything that earns him money should be blocked as clearly he is happy to spend it on "standing as one" with real baby killers and murderers.

He has probably done more for the BNP than Nick Griffin ever could. That is a worry as well.
Freedom of speech is one thing that we should protect. Treason is altogether different.

Lord Haw Haw is a better comparison that ALI.

I agree that comparing Ali's stance against the Vietnam war and Small's stance is like comparing chalk and cheese. Like someone said earlier, there is a time and a place for demonstrating against the war and this wasn't it. As for your point about the allegations of the Taliban hanging the 7 year old boy, if it is true it is a crime against humanity and a crime against Islam. There are no doubts that a 7 year old boy was killed, but there have been several different rumours about who did the killing and why it was done. Whoever did it, it was a shameful act of worst kind but we must also remember that thousands of innocent children have been killed by the allied forces in both Aghanistan and Iraq. The way they were killed may be different but the end result is the same so it may not be right to put so much emphasis on the death of one child and ignore the thousands. Regarding Small's statement that "Muslims are one and stand as one". I don't know him personally but this statement doesn't necessarily mean he is with the people that committed those terrorist acts. if any Muslim wilfully kills innocent people like in 7/7 etc. then they fall out of the folds of Islam and are no longer considered Muslims until they openly repent. Therefore, these people are no longer Muslims!

boxingchat wrote:The Taliban hung a 7 year old kid last month. A little Boy no less. no different to the crimes of reviled pedo's like Roy Whiting and Sydney Cook remember. Is Small condoning that saying we are 2as one and stand as one". The very people the Taliban are harming are indeed Muslims. Afghanistan's poppy fields infect our countries and they allow the country to be used as a training base for Terrorism which ultimately harms our people. Small is short-sighted and completely ignorant.

"Muslims are one and stand as one" he said. So I take it; 9/11, 7/7, hanging a 7 year old
is all fine and done with the full endorsement of Small.

When has Anthony Small condoned child killing? Mentioning paedophilia in relation to Small's actions/comments is pathetic.

boxingchat wrote:That's the bottom line. I wonder if he would have been pleased if his kids had been on the bus in Russell Square when his "brothers" blew it up in his name?

Millions of good and peaceful Muslims despise the likes of Anthony Small as would Ali I am sure. Please don't confuse the two in any way, they have nothing in common whatsoever.
(Ali could fight as well!)

When did Anthony Small say he agreed with those terrorist attacks?

boxingchat wrote:Any Promoter who puts Small on should be boycotted and ashamed and no boxer should agree to fight him. Anything that earns him money should be blocked as clearly he is happy to spend it on "standing as one" with real baby killers and murderers.

Once again suggesting that Small has said that he condones child murder when he has not. You really are sinking low with this attack on Small.

boxingchat wrote:He has probably done more for the BNP than Nick Griffin ever could. That is a worry as well.

A boxer that is not very well known has done more for the B.N.P. by being involved in a non-violent protest than the leader of that party ever could? I disagree.

boxingchat wrote:Freedom of speech is one thing that we should protect. Treason is altogether different.

Lord Haw Haw is a better comparison that ALI.

Small has commited treason? If you think Small should be in legal trouble for what he did then you are clearly not a person that values freedom of speech.

His quote, not mine "All Muslims stand together and act as one"

This means he agrees with these acts, does it not?

Of the Muslim boxers I am aware of I recall Amir Khan for one, being quick to condemn Muslim extremism and the 7/7 terror attacks by stating that this was not done in the name of Islam not done on behalf of all Muslims, contrary to Small interpretation.

Small has not done this in fact at any time, in fact his quote says what he feels and the stance he takes very clearly. Simple to understand what he means isn't it?

The Paedophile comparison was not a sexual comparison in any way but as an alikening to the end result being an abused and ultimately dead child.

The hanging of a 7 year old boy, according to him, was done by people who he says "stand together and act as one" therefore are their acts not his acts? According to him - yes they are!

Factually, treason is an act against your country and the crown. The British forces are the protectors of the realm and the defenders of our country. Small's comments are therefore treason are they not?

As for freedom of speech, this right doesn't cover this type of thing I feel sure.

I wonder how an Anti-Islamic speaker would be dealt with under Islamic law? They jailed a couple for snogging on the beach FFS so what chance would he have. Another beheading on video maybe? What did Ken Bigley ever do to Anthony Small?

I take your point and respect your opinion and analysis but ultimately you cannot justify his bile.

Regardless of whether Small is well known or not a national Newspaper and his own YouTube broadcast have made him a figure of hate to the extreme right. Borderline BNP voters may now cross the line and join up therefore he has done them a service by spouting his venom.

I rest my case.

I wonder if Small will welcome the soldiers as he did when he fought on Fight Academy shows.

boxingchat wrote:His quote, not mine "All Muslims stand together and act as one"

This means he agrees with these acts, does it not?

It was just one comment. Did he really deserve so many vile acts being connected to his statement? Perhaps, he doesn't consider those who carried out those acts as Muslims, or perhaps he just didn't think about all the possible interpretations of his comment.

boxingchat wrote:Of the Muslim boxers I am aware of I recall Amir Khan for one, being quick to condemn Muslim extremism and the 7/7 terror attacks by stating that this was not done in the name of Islam not done on behalf of all Muslims, contrary to Small interpretation.

Small has not done this in fact at any time, in fact his quote says what he feels and the stance he takes very clearly. Simple to understand what he means isn't it?

I didn't interpret anything Small has said recently as suggesting that he agrees with the 7/7 attacks. Did I miss something? Has he ever been asked about the 7/7 attacks?

boxingchat wrote:The Paedophile comparison was not a sexual comparison in any way but as an alikening to the end result being an abused and ultimately dead child.

The hanging of a 7 year old boy, according to him, was done by people who he says "stand together and act as one" therefore are their acts not his acts? According to him - yes they are!

He probably wasn't thinking about that sort of thing when he said that. Do you really think that he thinks hanging 7 year old boys is good?

boxingchat wrote:Factually, treason is an act against your country and the crown. The British forces are the protectors of the realm and the defenders of our country. Small's comments are therefore treason are they not?

If he had called for their death then I would probably agree with you, but he didn't.

boxingchat wrote:As for freedom of speech, this right doesn't cover this type of thing I feel sure.

I wonder how an Anti-Islamic speaker would be dealt with under Islamic law? They jailed a couple for snogging on the beach FFS so what chance would he have. Another beheading on video maybe? What did Ken Bigley ever do to Anthony Small?

You think we should be more like intolerant Islamic nations?

boxingchat wrote:I take your point and respect your opinion and analysis but ultimately you cannot justify his bile.

Regardless of whether Small is well known or not a national Newspaper and his own YouTube broadcast have made him a figure of hate to the extreme right. Borderline BNP voters may now cross the line and join up therefore he has done them a service by spouting his venom.

I rest my case.

I find it difficult to imagine that Small's recent behaviour would be the "final straw" that makes someone decide to support the BNP. It was a minor protest that didn't seem very threatening, almost a non-event.

As an aside from the main thrust of the thread I'm curious to see if any of the other regular posters agree with my belief... I'm not a betting man, but if I was I'd put everything on the theory that BoxingChat is actually a different/new user, using the same identity.
Everything about his recent posts is different - not just tone, as that wouldn't be sufficient to convince me, but his choice of language, his sentence construction... the works. Just do a search of his previous posts and you'll see what I mean - as soon as you compare and contrast it's incredibly difficult to imagine it's the same person.
Strongly suspect that one of Mr Warren's PRs has got in on 'the game' by using the same identity...

Bloody hell, someone said the end result of a deliberate hanging of a child and the accidental death of a child have the same end result so shouldn't be thought of differently??? Thats not even worth a reply.

Then horse tries to defend Small by saying he maybe didn't realise what he meant when he was saying certaing things? Being a retard is not a defence.

Small wants to stand with his fellow brothers in Afghanistan? What about the normal Afghans that are terrified of the taliban and their interpretation of Islam and rely on the UK forces? What about the muslims within the UK forces? If he considers the taliban or any of their sympathisers as his "brothers", well why doesn't he fcuk right off and go fight alongside them in Afghanistan?

Why is Small not protesting against the taliban and al qaeda who deliberately target and kill innocent muslims? Why was he not protesting when Saddam used chemical weapons against his own people? Instead he protests against a country in which he lives and has been happy to make his living in.

I will never go to a show that Small is fighting on again.

doctorboxing wrote:Bloody hell, someone said the end result of a deliberate hanging of a child and the accidental death of a child have the same end result so shouldn't be thought of differently??? Thats not even worth a reply.

Then horse tries to defend Small by saying he maybe didn't realise what he meant when he was saying certaing things? Being a retard is not a defence.

Small wants to stand with his fellow brothers in Afghanistan? What about the normal Afghans that are terrified of the taliban and their interpretation of Islam and rely on the UK forces? What about the muslims within the UK forces? If he considers the taliban or any of their sympathisers as his "brothers", well why doesn't he fcuk right off and go fight alongside them in Afghanistan?

Why is Small not protesting against the taliban and al qaeda who deliberately target and kill innocent muslims? Why was he not protesting when Saddam used chemical weapons against his own people? Instead he protests against a country in which he lives and has been happy to make his living in.

I will never go to a show that Small is fighting on again.

Please read the posts and try to understand what is being said instead of just reading two words and then making up the rest from the top of your own head. Firstly no one has said anything about accidental killing of children and secondly no one has said the killings of children by soldiers "shouldn't be thought of differently" to the execution of a child. The idea was to keep everything in context and not put a huge amount of emphasis on type of alleged killing and nothing on the other. How many wedding parties have been bombed by our forces? Wedding parties with women and children. The first one may have been an accident but not necessarily the next dozen; one after another almost a weekly occurrence. The allied forces know pretty well that the majority of participants in wedding parties are women and children yet they call it collateral damage. They are not as deliberate as the alleged execution of a child because they do not specifically target children but by no means are they accidental! As for your ludicrous comment about why Small didn't protest against Saddam when he used chemicals against his own people; the fact that he was only 7 years old at the time might have something to do with it! I am not going to defend Small because if he can take part in those protests then he can go ahead and defend himself but please try and keep it real.

doctorboxing wrote:Bloody hell, someone said the end result of a deliberate hanging of a child and the accidental death of a child have the same end result so shouldn't be thought of differently??? Thats not even worth a reply.

Then horse tries to defend Small by saying he maybe didn't realise what he meant when he was saying certaing things? Being a retard is not a defence.

Small wants to stand with his fellow brothers in Afghanistan? What about the normal Afghans that are terrified of the taliban and their interpretation of Islam and rely on the UK forces? What about the muslims within the UK forces? If he considers the taliban or any of their sympathisers as his "brothers", well why doesn't he fcuk right off and go fight alongside them in Afghanistan?

Why is Small not protesting against the taliban and al qaeda who deliberately target and kill innocent muslims? Why was he not protesting when Saddam used chemical weapons against his own people? Instead he protests against a country in which he lives and has been happy to make his living in.

I will never go to a show that Small is fighting on again.

Here Here. Great points.

At least we wont have to watch another one of his bore fests again on SKY!

Some British Champion

All organized religion is BS, but Islam takes the biscuit for lack of tolerance, religiously-motivated violence in this current age.

The Koran also allows slavery amongst other inhumane practices.

boxingchat wrote:His quote, not mine "All Muslims stand together and act as one"

This means he agrees with these acts, does it not?

Of the Muslim boxers I am aware of I recall Amir Khan for one, being quick to condemn Muslim extremism and the 7/7 terror attacks by stating that this was not done in the name of Islam not done on behalf of all Muslims, contrary to Small interpretation.

Small has not done this in fact at any time, in fact his quote says what he feels and the stance he takes very clearly. Simple to understand what he means isn't it?

The Paedophile comparison was not a sexual comparison in any way but as an alikening to the end result being an abused and ultimately dead child.

The hanging of a 7 year old boy, according to him, was done by people who he says "stand together and act as one" therefore are their acts not his acts? According to him - yes they are!

Factually, treason is an act against your country and the crown. The British forces are the protectors of the realm and the defenders of our country. Small's comments are therefore treason are they not?

As for freedom of speech, this right doesn't cover this type of thing I feel sure.

I wonder how an Anti-Islamic speaker would be dealt with under Islamic law? They jailed a couple for snogging on the beach FFS so what chance would he have. Another beheading on video maybe? What did Ken Bigley ever do to Anthony Small?

I take your point and respect your opinion and analysis but ultimately you cannot justify his bile.

Regardless of whether Small is well known or not a national Newspaper and his own YouTube broadcast have made him a figure of hate to the extreme right. Borderline BNP voters may now cross the line and join up therefore he has done them a service by spouting his venom.

I rest my case.

What precisely that he has said wouldn't be covered in freedom of speech? It's not like he has called for the queen or prime minister to be assassinated is it?

Treason would be an act of violence, espionage or destruction of property that directly threatents the crown and her government, such as stealing or distributing restricted information, attacking the prime minister or trying to destroy the houses of parliament- criticising the government or it's troops does not constitute treason.

In boxing news they think he unlikely to fight in uk again! Good news as he fights were dull!

reggaereggae wrote:All organized religion is BS, but Islam takes the biscuit for lack of tolerance, religiously-motivated violence in this current age.

The Koran also allows slavery amongst other inhumane practices.

No, I dont think that you can tarnish everyone who practises a religion, thats like me tarnishing all Irish Catholic's with the IRA and their views and of course that would be wrong of me.

Have you read the Quran?

jonny wrote:

Srebmun wrote:

jonny wrote:Horse you really dont think that there is anything wrong with shouting and hurling abuse at our young soldiers coming home from war, If they dont agree with the war fair enough but demonstrate it in the right direction but these lads have been out doing their duty, their job, they dont want to be out there themselves but they have a job to do and orders to adhere to. These lads are Hero's and I mean real hero's. Its disgusting that they return home from war and get this sort of abuse in there own country.

What a load of tosh, hero's me arse.

They get abuse 'in their own country' cos they're fighting an illegal war in someones else's.

Rubbish these lads are not doing anything Illegal they are having to do what they are told because this is their job, to protect us and to protect our country. whether you agree with the war or not this has nothing to do with the guys out there getting blown up or getting shot at. Now flying planes into office blocks and killing thousands, blowing tube stations up, blowing buses up, trying to blow planes up, blowing railway stations up, blowing hotels up etc etc etc thats illegal....

Yes they are Hero's, What do you class as hero's your football team winning a cup and having a open top bus parading the streets.

Haven't read all posts, got down to this one and had to reply. You really think the US and British forces invading those countries are stopping attacks againts us here?! If thats the case the media and government have well and truly got you hypnotised! Infact what our government is sending are troops to do is putting us at more risk. This is not like the 1st and 2nd World wars, those soldiers were real hereo's, this so called 'war' is based on corruption, greed and lies. We will never be shown in the media or told by the government the truth. Only what we are supposed to think, mean't to believe.

Don't you think it's a bit daft though that we live in an age where people still believe the words written in a book by men many centuries ago over those of scientists who've proved where we come from?

Des, Britain should never have involved itself in either world war, only the Falklands was legit come to think of it.

banjo wrote:Don't you think it's a bit daft though that we live in an age where people still believe the words written in a book by men many centuries ago over those of scientists who've proved where we come from?

Des, Britain should never have involved itself in either world war, only the Falklands was legit come to think of it.

Firstly, I don't know why people think Religion and Science are exclusive from each other. Many scientists themselves have taken inspiration from the Quran.

Whether it's the development of the Human Embryo, the big bang and the expanding universe, the daily cycle, properties of Iron or even the ratio of sea and land surface. It's all in the Quran. And don't forget, scientists only discovered these scientific facts recently.

But ofcourse, it's not mentioned in Daily Mail or in any of the tabloids, so im sure the awareness of this will be pretty low

Also banjo, Scientists "proved where we came from?", you mean the 'Evolution theory'? Well, that's exactly what it is, a theory.

Des1 wrote:

reggaereggae wrote:All organized religion is BS, but Islam takes the biscuit for lack of tolerance, religiously-motivated violence in this current age.

The Koran also allows slavery amongst other inhumane practices.

No, I dont think that you can tarnish everyone who practises a religion, thats like me tarnishing all Irish Catholic's with the IRA and their views and of course that would be wrong of me.

Have you read the Quran?

yes I have. And your analogy is ridiculous, I'm talking about theology. Wikipedia is not perfect but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_ ... e_Qur.27an