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Didn't read the whole thread, but here's some bits of information.
http://www.paulmccloskey.com/profile/
From this link which is the official site for McCloskey it says he's an Irish Boxer.

People in the North can hold an Irish passport and a British passport at the same time.

J wrote:lol im not mixed up mate well maybe a little but not about this...just seems everytime i come on here there is some irish agenda going on with you at the heart of it......which to be honest is getting more than boring as feck!

ps father ted is great...there see i do like the irish

lighten up dude life is too short for such matters.

Gotta agree with this statement. Always some controvesy involving Irish Boxers or Ireland, with this guy in the middle off it and then turning into something it was never meant to be.

It reminds me of an ex bird, who had a go at me for months just for shooting in her eyes. She could never let it lie. It`s the same thing here, only minus the man paste.

Chill out, relax, take it easy. It really isn`t that important.

forcefraser wrote: It reminds me of an ex bird, who had a go at me for months just for shooting in her eyes. She could never let it lie. It`s the same thing here, only minus the man paste.

McCloskey is a good fighter and seems a nice guy,though ive never met him- if he wanted to disclaim being british he shouldnt of fought for the british title-its not an unreasonable assumption for someone to think that the british title holder is british.If he'd fought for the irish title then the european this question would never of arisen
However i dont think he should be used as a political pawn, i understand he is irish and now that he is european champ and that he doesnt need the lonsdale belt anymore but he did at one stage, to progress his career and posters shouldnt disrespect the lonsdale belt and the many great men who have held one, including many men from the north and south of ireland.
the troubles have come and gone, i remember mcguigan getting criticised 30 years ago for the same thing, but that was at the height of the troubles times have changed martin mcguiness is a government minister and the conflict is over

mahatma wrote:McCloskey is a good fighter and seems a nice guy,though ive never met him- if he wanted to disclaim being british he shouldnt of fought for the british title-its not an unreasonable assumption for someone to think that the british title holder is british.If he'd fought for the irish title then the european this question would never of arisen
However i dont think he should be used as a political pawn, i understand he is irish and now that he is european champ and that he doesnt need the lonsdale belt anymore but he did at one stage, to progress his career and posters shouldnt disrespect the lonsdale belt and the many great men who have held one, including many men from the north and south of ireland.
the troubles have come and gone, i remember mcguigan getting criticised 30 years ago for the same thing, but that was at the height of the troubles times have changed martin mcguiness is a government minister and the conflict is over

Thats not really a valid argument though is it. Did our very own Jamie Moore or Jeff Thomas "disclaim being british" because they went and fought for the Irish title?

The only ones that are being "disrespectful" are those that refuse to acknowledge his right to be recognised as Irish.

NO ONE CARES.

seriously get a fuckin life.

J wrote:NO ONE CARES.

seriously get a fuckin life.

Well you care enough to post 5 times on this thread within the space of a couple of hours. You seem a little obsessed with following me around actually.

If no one cares then the thread will quickly die!

slapbangwhallop wrote: Like I have said, its wrong, morally, legally, wrong, thats all.

pontificate much?

Counter-puncher wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote: Like I have said, its wrong, morally, legally, wrong, thats all.

pontificate much?

frequently - but only when I am right! 8)

slapbangwhallop wrote:

J wrote:NO ONE CARES.

seriously get a fuckin life.

Well you care enough to post 5 times on this thread within the space of a couple of hours. You seem a little obsessed with following me around actually.

If no one cares then the thread will quickly die!

x2. It matters to most irish boxing fans. They should at least put up nationality as Irish/British on Boxrec.

However saying that I can't see McCloskey coming out and saying he's not British or he's not Irish (there was no Tricolour of Union jack at his fight against Lauri). It might alienate either his Irish or British fans in the North. Boxing is a business after all and his has to sell tickets. His fan base is in the six counties not the Republic. I was at McCloskey last fight and the crowd was probably 50/50 (Irish/British). At least in the row where I was sitting. I was talking to a Unionist/British fellow sitting beside me about soccer/cricket and the fellow sitting alongside the girlfriend was talking as gaelige(In irish) about the state of the Irish language in the North.

slapbangwhallop wrote:

J wrote:NO ONE CARES.

seriously get a fuckin life.

Well you care enough to post 5 times on this thread within the space of a couple of hours. You seem a little obsessed with following me around actually.

If no one cares then the thread will quickly die!

dont flatter yourself fella.

follow aroudn some geezer with a massive chip on his shoulder...got better things to do...
its called conversing ...which is the idea of these boards...get over yourself.

slapbangwallop-
i acknowledge his right to be irish .

interestingly when jack charlton signed up lots of english players to play for the republic, because they had irish parents/grandparents, they made a commitment to choose which country they wanted to play for, they could of played for either england or ireland but not both.Andy townsend couldnt of said i play for chelsea and ireland, but said im not irish could he or im just playing for ireland for now until england pick me

Im not saying its exactly the same with the british boxing title,but if you box for that title, you declare your citizenship or passport, of that country to allow you to box for it.

as regard jamie and jeff, if they were irish champions they could hardly show annoyance at the fact that someone thought they were irish(maybe they consider themselves to be dual nationals) and im also sure that the irish sporting public would not of been none too happy if either one of them had said im irish champion but not irish, that in my book would be disrepectfulAlso they must of had some irish ancestry to be allowed to box for the irish title in the first place.

As an Irish man. I honestly couldn't give a fornicate what nationality Boxrec have Paul Mc Closkey. I know my self he is Irish but I don't care if Boxrec have him down for British because where is Northern Ireland again. Northern Ireland and Ireland must be the only country in the World where Religion decides someone's identity / or what country they are apart of.

Paul McCloskey needs to step up

crusader wrote:Paul McCloskey is Nigerian

Yes, I can confirm that after speaking to a reliable source.

FeargalóCuinneagáin wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:

J wrote:NO ONE CARES.

seriously get a fuckin life.

Well you care enough to post 5 times on this thread within the space of a couple of hours. You seem a little obsessed with following me around actually.

If no one cares then the thread will quickly die!

x2. It matters to most irish boxing fans. They should at least put up nationality as Irish/British on Boxrec.

However saying that I can't see McCloskey coming out and saying he's not British or he's not Irish (there was no Tricolour of Union jack at his fight against Lauri). It might alienate either his Irish or British fans in the North. Boxing is a business after all and his has to sell tickets. His fan base is in the six counties not the Republic. I was at McCloskey last fight and the crowd was probably 50/50 (Irish/British). At least in the row where I was sitting. I was talking to a Unionist/British fellow sitting beside me about soccer/cricket and the fellow sitting alongside the girlfriend was talking as gaelige(In irish) about the state of the Irish language in the North.

Thats something i cant stand,people preaching about about being from one country but then pretending not to be at the same because its good for business!

brian13 wrote:As an Irish man. I honestly couldn't give a fornicate what nationality Boxrec have Paul Mc Closkey. I know my self he is Irish but I don't care if Boxrec have him down for British because where is Northern Ireland again. Northern Ireland and Ireland must be the only country in the World where Religion decides someone's identity / or what country they are apart of.

Its stupid!Its such a trivial matter in the scheme of things!

slapbangwhallop wrote:

J wrote:lol im not mixed up mate well maybe a little but not about this...just seems everytime i come on here there is some irish agenda going on with you at the heart of it......which to be honest is getting more than boring as feck!

ps father ted is great...there see i do like the irish

lighten up dude life is too short for such matters.

I'm as lighthearted a gent as you are ever likely to meet hombre.

I'm not sure what an "Irish agenda" is, so cant comment on that.

All I am saying here is that there are some fighters from Northern Ireland that have Irish nationality and Irish citizenship which is recognised by both the British and Irish governments but they are still listed as British by BoxRec.

Like I have said, its wrong, morally, legally, wrong, thats all. If others want to throwing smokescreens up and try and justify it with convoluted spurious reasoning then that is there prerogative, but it doesnt make it right.

Personally i like the irish and if Mccloskey wants to be considered irish then so be it!Personally ive never tried to claim Mccloskey as a british fighter.i dont really care to be frank.He's a very good fighter but im not sure he's good enough to beat the likes of khan,alexander,bradley and maidana but i could be wrong.

Lenny wrote:Paul McCloskey needs to step up

I'm on the defensive? Yeah, this issue is consuming me whole and I can think of little else to be honest. I even forgot to spread my marmalade, which is a first.

The Boxrec listing is wrong, in my view, but Shep can make an argue for it being consistent by the criteria laid down on his site. Ultimately, he has the final say and if he can justify it then he can certainly stick by it. Or he can just do it for the hell of it, it is entirely up to him.

Nationalism is pretty pointless to be honest and a lot rides on the outlook and intelligence of the individual. Do I shake my head when Salford and Great Manchester fighters are listed as Mancunians? Yes. Do I sometimes lapse into this myself depending on the audience? Yes. Do I call Derry Derry? Yes, but I don't throw a hissy fit when people called it Londonderry. I've also read, and witnessed a live performance of, Translations.

As for skirting the issue. Nah, I simply don't care and made my initial post simply to make myself chuckle. Nationalism makes fools of the brightest of men. My mate's old-man was county Cork through and through and was an exceptionally bright fellow, he could talk about philosophy, religion, politics and literature with a lot of insight and intelligence. He also had a keen sense of his own national identity and would talk about that, he was hard-core, this guy even broke Southern Ireland down into subsections and would denigrate or denounce people from differing parts of the country simply based on a geographical quirk. He even disowned Dublin, as do most of the Irish people I know -- I was with him on that one.

Unfortunately, his sense of nationalism turned all his other attributes on their head. His intelligence notwithstanding, the guy became very myopic at certain times and would argue that Steve Collins was better than Marvin Hagler and Roy Jones on the sole basis that, 'Collins is Irish, Irish men are tougher and he's the best Irishman so that makes him the best fighter ever.' As I say, this guy was very, very bright but would self-spasticate himself once the national blood began pumping through his veins.

What happened to this guy? At the end, when he was dying in hospital, he didn't give a poop where in the world he came from, the doctors came from or what was on a passport, he finally grew up in this regard just as the final curtain fell.

He was, as the Irish say, the very definition of the t'ick Irishman, fair play, this is what makes them unique, and impervious to psychoanalysis according to Freud, but it also become very tiresome very quickly and has the tendency to vampirically suck away the lifeblood and joy from the most inane of arguments. As per this thread.[/quote]


I take no offence to being called an eijit when it is so eloquently put

misticmonk wrote:I'm on the defensive? Yeah, this issue is consuming me whole and I can think of little else to be honest. I even forgot to spread my marmalade, which is a first.

The Boxrec listing is wrong, in my view, but Shep can make an argue for it being consistent by the criteria laid down on his site. Ultimately, he has the final say and if he can justify it then he can certainly stick by it. Or he can just do it for the hell of it, it is entirely up to him.

Nationalism is pretty pointless to be honest and a lot rides on the outlook and intelligence of the individual. Do I shake my head when Salford and Great Manchester fighters are listed as Mancunians? Yes. Do I sometimes lapse into this myself depending on the audience? Yes. Do I call Derry Derry? Yes, but I don't throw a hissy fit when people called it Londonderry. I've also read, and witnessed a live performance of, Translations.

As for skirting the issue. Nah, I simply don't care and made my initial post simply to make myself chuckle. Nationalism makes fools of the brightest of men. My mate's old-man was county Cork through and through and was an exceptionally bright fellow, he could talk about philosophy, religion, politics and literature with a lot of insight and intelligence. He also had a keen sense of his own national identity and would talk about that, he was hard-core, this guy even broke Southern Ireland down into subsections and would denigrate or denounce people from differing parts of the country simply based on a geographical quirk. He even disowned Dublin, as do most of the Irish people I know -- I was with him on that one.

Unfortunately, his sense of nationalism turned all his other attributes on their head. His intelligence notwithstanding, the guy became very myopic at certain times and would argue that Steve Collins was better than Marvin Hagler and Roy Jones on the sole basis that, 'Collins is Irish, Irish men are tougher and he's the best Irishman so that makes him the best fighter ever.' As I say, this guy was very, very bright but would self-spasticate himself once the national blood began pumping through his veins.

What happened to this guy? At the end, when he was dying in hospital, he didn't give a poop where in the world he came from, the doctors came from or what was on a passport, he finally grew up in this regard just as the final curtain fell.

He was, as the Irish say, the very definition of the t'ick Irishman, fair play, this is what makes them unique, and impervious to psychoanalysis according to Freud, but it also become very tiresome very quickly and has the tendency to vampirically suck away the lifeblood and joy from the most inane of arguments. As per this thread.

People from Cork are fvcked up. It's basically a separate country.....

FeargalóCuinneagáin wrote:
People from Cork are fvcked up. It's basically a separate country.....

and BoxRec need to recognise that - legally, morally its right!!!

slapbangwhallop wrote:

FeargalóCuinneagáin wrote:
People from Cork are fvcked up. It's basically a separate country.....

and BoxRec need to recognise that - legally, morally its right!!!

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