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palooka wrote:

Matt W wrote:

palooka wrote:Didn't Ray Leonard get dropped by Quincy Jones in sparring before the Hagler bout? I think I remember reading that it focused Leonards mind not to get involved with Hagler.

I think Mitchell will win but in a hard bout; both are class and wil have good game plans, both have good corners. I'm putting £20 on Kevin and maybe a fiver inside the distance).

Wasn't he producing Bad for Michael Jackson at the time?

Think you mean Quincy Taylor

Haha think you've got me there, you got the jist though yeah?

Haha, I do get the jist Palooka. Leonard was aware of Hagler's problem with cuts, which Marvin had told him about, and Leonard figured he'd take it to him in an attempt to cut him until Taylor / Jones put him on his arse and persuaded him otherwise. Sparring gives a fighter a chance to learn and try things so isn't necessarily an indicator of how a fight will go.

billy bessey wrote:I know what you mean but it just sticks in my mind even though it was ages ago but get a grip? I've said they're 2 top fighters but I have my opinion just as you do yours and this is a boxing forum and people's opinions differ if you can't take people thinking your lad will lose then don't read things just keep it hush until after the big day then come on here and tell us what tossers we all are it doesn't make someone a bad person because they have an opinion different to yours I honestly won't be surprised if Ricky does win but after hearing he touched down I'm having a £50 on it just my opinion so don't slate me. I train White collar lads and get defensive for them so I can understand your thinking but what will be will be

I only ment you should judge him by what he's doing now instead of what he used to be like when trained in his old am gym

ed robinson wrote:I watched Ricky train before the Johanneson fight. He looked massive for the weight and very fit but I was also really struck by how raw he was. No disrespect to his previous trainer but Ricky appeared largely self taught and almost unrecognisable from the complete boxer he is now. Fighters do change.

Intriguing fight though, at his best Mitchell's so fast and sharp.

Hi Ed,hope alls well mate,yes Kevin's a very good fighter but ricky punches much faster and mor acurate IMO and by far got the best defence

billy nelson wrote:

ed robinson wrote:I watched Ricky train before the Johanneson fight. He looked massive for the weight and very fit but I was also really struck by how raw he was. No disrespect to his previous trainer but Ricky appeared largely self taught and almost unrecognisable from the complete boxer he is now. Fighters do change.

Intriguing fight though, at his best Mitchell's so fast and sharp.

Hi Ed,hope alls well mate,yes Kevin's a very good fighter but ricky punches much faster and mor acurate IMO and by far got the best defence

Ricky has the better defence at range as he has the better natural attributes; Mitchell is by far the more elusive in range, slipping, bobbing and weaving. Both are well matched and it'll be a good bout.

palooka wrote:

billy nelson wrote:

ed robinson wrote:I watched Ricky train before the Johanneson fight. He looked massive for the weight and very fit but I was also really struck by how raw he was. No disrespect to his previous trainer but Ricky appeared largely self taught and almost unrecognisable from the complete boxer he is now. Fighters do change.

Intriguing fight though, at his best Mitchell's so fast and sharp.

Hi Ed,hope alls well mate,yes Kevin's a very good fighter but ricky punches much faster and mor acurate IMO and by far got the best defence

Ricky has the better defence at range as he has the better natural attributes; Mitchell is by far the more elusive in range, slipping, bobbing and weaving. Both are well matched and it'll be a good bout.

Slipping bobbing and weaving are hard when your being hit constantly

Intriguing fight though, at his best Mitchell's so fast and sharp.[/quote]Hi Ed,hope alls well mate,yes Kevin's a very good fighter but ricky punches much faster and mor acurate IMO and by far got the best defence[/quote]


Ricky has the better defence at range as he has the better natural attributes; Mitchell is by far the more elusive in range, slipping, bobbing and weaving. Both are well matched and it'll be a good bout.[/quote]
Slipping bobbing and weaving are hard when your being hit constantly[/quote]

But being hit when your stationary is even harder to take....

Ricky has to keep him off at range with long shots to win....

zero wrote:See the problem is Rob you appeared out of nowhere stirring shit up about a fighter and his coach looking to cause an argument. Billy quickly cleared the matter up (thankfully) when really you should have been looking to debate how the fight goes.

I believe it is a close fight I take Burns on points. People who underestimate Mitchell are doing so because he is a lad about a town carrying knives in cars and supposedly hanging about with unsavoury characters, that’s is his fault.. The sad thing about this fight is both fighters apparently get on really well and the fans are the ones looking to cause mischief.

"The problem is" What problem? Why is my post of an opinion a problem? I'm not 'stirring' anything up. How does or would my post cause an 'argument'? Anyone 'arguing over it is immature, I stated in my post what I heard. I'm not willing any to win, just think its a good fight and that if I had to pick then maybe I'd go with Burns...Just. And that was if he stayed with his coach, Billy Nelson. I stated that if Burns didn't stay with Billy Nelson for the fight his chances wouldn't be so good (although not said in the same 'words' but made that point). Surely that is praise on Billy Nelson? Yet the man himself comes out 'attacking' like a child? Why? Your assuming that I came here to 'stir shit up'..That doesn't make you right, thats your 'belief', which doesn't mean its true.

billy nelson wrote:Well the general condenses is wrong myself and Ricky are has strong now as we were when we first meet,so stop trying poorly may I add at being a shitt stirrer

Like I stated Billy (or at least the point I was getting to) that it would be better Burns does stay with you than not for the fight. Am confused why your jumping up and down throwing a tantrum over it. Maybe your a selective reader

billy nelson wrote:

billy bessey wrote:I heard from a good source about someone touching down in sparring last week. Not a great deal to go on I know but 6/1 Mitchell by stoppage seemed too big as it was but now I'm all over that like I am cake

Oh you little rumour machine Billy boy well it wasn't my man so?
6/1 for Kevin to stop the boxer with the best defence in British boxing I'd say that's a fair enough price a losing bet but a fair price.
Only 3weeks to go ricky is looking great in top sparring can't wait for the 22nd

See, why do you act like this Mr Nelson? Why do you get all uptight. Billy Bessey, if it was Burns that 'touched down in sparring, maybe his mind is not on the job? Maybe he's not happy in his camp? The same would apply to Mitchell of course...If it was him who 'touched down' ;;-) ... (read the full post Billy Nelson and not just selective reading before you jump all over me )

billy nelson wrote:

girv wrote:Billy, why react to this kind of thing?

Someone who isn't prepared to reveal who they really are or give actual facts about the gym they heard the rumours in, is not really worth responding to.

It's a laugh lol

Time to get serious though billy....

billy nelson wrote:

billy bessey wrote:

jimcook wrote:so thats two great rumours in this post ...that burns is leaving nelson and that hes getting kod in sparring. so im selling my house and putting it all on mitchell.....

where were the rumours before mitchell got smashed by katsidis?
where were the rumours that hatton had the flu before lazcano fight
or david hayes toes, or kell brooks weekends off...

rumours are like tips for winners in the horses...they always come from "reliable sources" and they are almost always unreliable.

Very true and being someone that has continually fought the gambling demons throughout my life I know this more than anyone how shit tips/rumours are and I still have nightmares about my biggest ever boxing bet on Ricky to get stopped by Katsidis which I thought was as nailed on as anything I had ever bet on. So I won't be going big but in a 50/50 fight I think 6/1 is worth a little punt and I know I shouldn't but when I think of Burns I can't help but think of when Johansson took him apart. Good luck to both though top fight with 2 top fighters

Get a grip billy,this is a far better and more experienced ricky burns compared to the one that lost to CJ,no way will Kevin Mitchell stop burns,burns will win this fight coz he's fitter,stronger and the better all round fighter

But Billy Nelson, dont you like to compare both v Katsidis, knowing that Mitchell was also a different fighter that night aswell. You seem to want to brush any that compares both v Johannson

This thread has widened out from a ridiculous beginning and contains some decent debate and is a good read in parts on the merits of each lad. I like both fighters, having seen ricky live twice incl kat fight, and kevin 3 times incl carl j and kat, but am going burns late stoppage for the reasons on the poll thread. Anyway i'm off to start a rumour, and then when no one else in the forum community corroborates it (even though i've decided its going to be 'well-known' by the way) i'll just keep coming back on here and spouting my trap off.

I remember being told by a reliable source before the Mitchell Murray fight that Mitchell was in terrible shape etc and was gonna get steam rolled. My gut instinct before it was for Mitchell to win but the rumour prevented me betting on it.

Moral of the story is that the rumours usually end up being a lotta shite!

For me its Burns to win in a good close fight.
Also wondering where the people get it from that Mitchell schooled Burns in sparring as he has openly admitted himself that he couldn't lay a glove on Burns on that occasion.

I like both lads and am looking forward to the fight. Mitchell is the underdog but he's raised his game when he's needed to before (obviously bar one fight). If prep is right, I think he's got a real chance.

I also think Billy is great value on here. Again, not the first time he has put his neck out to back his man and Ricky's not let him down before.

Hope Mitchell wins but you can't be sorry to see a gentleman like Burn's retain. Roll on fight night!

zero wrote:See the problem is Rob you appeared out of nowhere stirring shit up about a fighter and his coach looking to cause an argument. Billy quickly cleared the matter up (thankfully) when really you should have been looking to debate how the fight goes.

I believe it is a close fight I take Burns on points. People who underestimate Mitchell are doing so because he is a lad about a town carrying knives in cars and supposedly hanging about with unsavoury characters, that’s is his fault.. The sad thing about this fight is both fighters apparently get on really well and the fans are the ones looking to cause mischief.

if billy was as professional as he is meant to be or any truth in the matter he wouldnt need to clear the matter up, if its all rosy in camp surely he could ignore the comments and just laugh about it, seems billy is very easy to wind up and if i was in the mitchell camp would definatly use it to my advantage. I like burns but am a mitchell fan, so want him to win and l think the fight will be close with mitchell getting tagged abit but not hurt, burns isnt a big puncher and think mitchell will be able to walk through his shots and the icing on the cake will be to shut billy up at the end of it! good luck billy may the best fighter win.

dan28uk wrote:

zero wrote:See the problem is Rob you appeared out of nowhere stirring shit up about a fighter and his coach looking to cause an argument. Billy quickly cleared the matter up (thankfully) when really you should have been looking to debate how the fight goes.

I believe it is a close fight I take Burns on points. People who underestimate Mitchell are doing so because he is a lad about a town carrying knives in cars and supposedly hanging about with unsavoury characters, that’s is his fault.. The sad thing about this fight is both fighters apparently get on really well and the fans are the ones looking to cause mischief.

if billy was as professional as he is meant to be or any truth in the matter he wouldnt need to clear the matter up, if its all rosy in camp surely he could ignore the comments and just laugh about it, seems billy is very easy to wind up and if i was in the mitchell camp would definatly use it to my advantage. I like burns but am a mitchell fan, so want him to win and l think the fight will be close with mitchell getting tagged abit but not hurt, burns isnt a big puncher and think mitchell will be able to walk through his shots and the icing on the cake will be to shut billy up at the end of it! good luck billy may the best fighter win.

how is mitchell gonna walk through burns shots? burns may not have julian jackson power, but he obviously managed to punch hard enough to keep an animal like katsidis off him. mitchell is far too clever a boxer to do a john murray and think that you can walk through a top level opponents punches. if mitchell is to win this fight he 'll be slipping burns punches and firing off his own quick combos

billy nelson wrote:Come on then rob what gym were you in when you allegedly heard this rumour?

Why does it matter... he clearly heard something think aint true. Someone told me The Arctic Monkeys were breaking up... I did not hear this from the Kaiser Cheifs

jules wrote:

billy nelson wrote:There's no point trying to compare Ricky and Kevin! Ricky's proven world class and Kevin isn't and you'll all see this come 22nd sept.
See the problem down south is so many think your sportsmen are so better than what they actually are,I mean look at your shambolic fnational football team? Players paid a fortune week in week out and they bottle it on the big stage RING A BELL

Oh My Goodness, I have seen and read it all now, what a disgrace. What an absolute disgrace.

Maybe us southerners should stop supporting Burns then... as I was... but being southern I thinking he's better than he actually is?

jules wrote:

billy nelson wrote:There's no point trying to compare Ricky and Kevin! Ricky's proven world class and Kevin isn't and you'll all see this come 22nd sept.
See the problem down south is so many think your sportsmen are so better than what they actually are,I mean look at your shambolic fnational football team? Players paid a fortune week in week out and they bottle it on the big stage RING A BELL

Oh My Goodness, I have seen and read it all now, what a disgrace. What an absolute disgrace.

are you talking about the england team?

BoxRob wrote:Jessi, why you making this a national thing? I'm a boxing fan and like good match ups. Couldn't care less what nationality they are. Why the rivalry? Would you'd think different and want Burns to win if you was Scottish? Thats shallow if so.

Cos the Jocks HATE the English so thats the way it goes.... i should know I work offshore with a rig full of them. When England play football the opposing teams flags get put up and their national anthems played over the tannoy and stuff like that, it's all a bit of banter.

Stevolad wrote:

BoxRob wrote:Jessi, why you making this a national thing? I'm a boxing fan and like good match ups. Couldn't care less what nationality they are. Why the rivalry? Would you'd think different and want Burns to win if you was Scottish? Thats shallow if so.

Cos the Jocks HATE the English so thats the way it goes.... i should know I work offshore with a rig full of them. When England play football the opposing teams flags get put up and their national anthems played over the tannoy and stuff like that, it's all a bit of banter.

But the word on here is that Billy is actually english.

I dare him to go on Bunce Boxing Hour or ringside and say what he's been saying on here
...of course he wouldn't

Does anyone know how Rickys training has gone today/this week?

I only ask as I heard that there were some problems at the gym earlier this week, some Police involvement even.

palooka wrote:I only ask as I heard that there were some problems at the gym earlier this week, some Police involvement even.

It was the police and trading standards after Billy for impersonating a scotchman