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Blodhemn wrote:Mares definetly has a better resume. Who cares if Nishioka has more fights at the weight by default, the weights are close enough to the same neighborhood that it shouldn't much matter.

Exactly, people pay too much attention to that "in this division" crap, that's why the Ring Magazine rankings suck, because that's precisely what they base it on. Nobody pays attention to how much some of these defeated opponents are draining either. Mares knocked the fvck out of a 138 lb. Diosdado Gabi

Blodhemn wrote:Mares definetly has a better resume. Who cares if Nishioka has more fights at the weight by default, the weights are close enough to the same neighborhood that it shouldn't much matter.

Tell that to Zarate. Divisions matter.

Rover wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:Mares definetly has a better resume. Who cares if Nishioka has more fights at the weight by default, the weights are close enough to the same neighborhood that it shouldn't much matter.

Tell that to Zarate. Divisions matter.

Tell that to Broner who got schooled by Ponce. It depends on the fighters, and Mares has fought better calibre fighters at their peaks. Agbeko could do decent in the division if he moves up, and Darchinyan still showed he can compete too.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:Mares definetly has a better resume. Who cares if Nishioka has more fights at the weight by default, the weights are close enough to the same neighborhood that it shouldn't much matter.

Exactly, people pay too much attention to that "in this division" crap, that's why the Ring Magazine rankings suck, because that's precisely what they base it on. Nobody pays attention to how much some of these defeated opponents are draining either. Mares knocked the fvck out of a 138 lb. Diosdado Gabi

Blodhemn wrote:

Rover wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:Mares definetly has a better resume. Who cares if Nishioka has more fights at the weight by default, the weights are close enough to the same neighborhood that it shouldn't much matter.

Tell that to Zarate. Divisions matter.

Tell that to Broner who got schooled by Ponce. It depends on the fighters, and Mares has fought better calibre fighters at their peaks. Agbeko could do decent in the division if he moves up, and Darchinyan still showed he can compete too.

Broner did not get "schooled" by Ponce. I don't like Broner, but that's a ridiculous characterization of that fight.
Gonzalez and Marquez are a better twosome of wins than Darchinyan and Agbeko--except they were in a higher division.

How did you all have the Donaire fight at the time of stoppage??

I had it 79-72 Donaire

Broner certainly got schooled. He only clearly won something like 2 rounds at best. I could watch that 3rd round over and over - one of the most lopsided punch stat ratios you'll ever see at the highest level.

Marquez was ancient(and still landed a lot of punches) and Gonzalez has been overrated. Agbeko and Vic are certainly better wins, tho I gave Vic the nod but can't argue with it going the other way as it was close. Tough fight with Perez too..

fightscorecollector wrote:How did you all have the Donaire fight at the time of stoppage??

I had it 79-72 Donaire

79-72 Donaire.
Had Rios/Alvarado even (57-57).

Blodhemn wrote:Broner certainly got schooled. He only clearly won something like 2 rounds at best. I could watch that 3rd round over and over - one of the most lopsided punch stat ratios you'll ever see at the highest level.

Marquez was ancient(and still landed a lot of punches) and Gonzalez has been overrated. Agbeko and Vic are certainly better wins, tho I gave Vic the nod but can't argue with it going the other way as it was close. Tough fight with Perez too..

One round out of 10 does not a fight make. I had that fight a draw, and it'd be pretty ridiculous to say that one of the guys got schooled in a draw.
Gonzalez has accomplished more than Agbeko.
Regarding Darchinyan v. Marquez, I'd take Marquez easily. Darchinyan isn't the same dynamic puncher at 118 that he was at 112 or 115. I don't even think he's scored a KO at 118.

SouthpawStephen wrote:Alvarado should have taken a friggin knee. Good stoppage.

Rover wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:Broner certainly got schooled. He only clearly won something like 2 rounds at best. I could watch that 3rd round over and over - one of the most lopsided punch stat ratios you'll ever see at the highest level.

Marquez was ancient(and still landed a lot of punches) and Gonzalez has been overrated. Agbeko and Vic are certainly better wins, tho I gave Vic the nod but can't argue with it going the other way as it was close. Tough fight with Perez too..

One round out of 10 does not a fight make. I had that fight a draw, and it'd be pretty ridiculous to say that one of the guys got schooled in a draw.
Gonzalez has accomplished more than Agbeko.
Regarding Darchinyan v. Marquez, I'd take Marquez easily. Darchinyan isn't the same dynamic puncher at 118 that he was at 112 or 115. I don't even think he's scored a KO at 118.

Can't agree with much of that.

I do think that the margin of victory in Broner/PDL was absurd. That sparked a lot of the outrage over that fight.

fightscorecollector wrote:How did you all have the Donaire fight at the time of stoppage??

I had it 79-72 Donaire

For Donaire/Nishioka, DiamondWEAPON had it 80-71 Donaire.
For Rios/Alvarado, Lederman had it 58-56 Alvarado.
DiamondWEAPON, Blodhemn and Chicktaylor had it 58-56 Rios. I agreed with the two judges who had it even.

thanks for teh replies rover. I will post all the press and fans scores later today.

I had it even as well.