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The Insider wrote:

columbo wrote: When has Khan ever really not boxed recklessly though? He's not slick at all.

Probably never but I did say that at the end of my post that regardless of what Khans plans are there are always Dramas. I also never said he was slick. I said he has the tools to beat Collazo.

Are you just reading want you want to read?

No offence like.

Not sure why you're getting antsy mate. It was purely a statement.

columbo wrote:

The Insider wrote:

columbo wrote: When has Khan ever really not boxed recklessly though? He's not slick at all.

Probably never but I did say that at the end of my post that regardless of what Khans plans are there are always Dramas. I also never said he was slick. I said he has the tools to beat Collazo.

Are you just reading want you want to read?

No offence like.

Not sure why you're getting antsy mate. It was purely a statement.

Not getting "antsy" pal but you quoted me so I presumed your "statement" was directed towards me. As said, no offence.

The Insider wrote:

columbo wrote: Not sure why you're getting antsy mate. It was purely a statement.

Not getting "antsy" pal but you quoted me so I presumed your "statement" was directed towards me. As said, no offence.

Na I know you didnt say he was slick. I was just saying myself that he's not slick. He just doesnt have ring IQ so him fighting a completely smart fight is near to impossible I think.

Khan usually beats the people we expect him to lose too & vise versa

im going for a khan easy win on this basis

sweetscience wrote:Khan usually beats the people we expect him to lose too & vise versa

im going for a khan easy win on this basis

Dunno. I didnt expect him to beat Garcia. Always thought he'd end up getting leveled at some point.

columbo wrote:

sweetscience wrote:Khan usually beats the people we expect him to lose too & vise versa

im going for a khan easy win on this basis

Dunno. I didnt expect him to beat Garcia. Always thought he'd end up getting leveled at some point.

there wasnt 7 pages about how he was gonna get beat though

but there was re Barrera, Maidana, judah

Been watching more fights of Collazo. He has slow feet and likes people to be in front on him.

I'll be looking at the weigh in for more clues but the more I think about it, the more I think Khan wins; by decision.

black panther wrote:Been watching more fights of Collazo. He has slow feet and likes people to be in front on him.

I'll be looking at the weigh in for more clues but the more I think about it, the more I think Khan wins; by decision.

Have you watched his fight with Berto? Admittedly that was 5 years ago but I thought he looked good there.

Khan has never changed in all the years I've seen him as a pro, fast hands, heart of a lion but severely lacking in ring craft and tends to fall apart when his one and only game plan fails to work an opening. I've not seen Collazo fight in years and while he's no great shakes, he's tough and extremely awkward so it wouldn't surprise me if he beat Khan.

Collazo is a good solid boxer and this is a good match up.

However, Collazo is being built up into a monster and Khan's chin whilst not great is not as bad as being made out on here.

If Khan hasn't regressed too much since being with Hunter he wins fairly easily on points.

Wrists wrote:Collazo is a good solid boxer and this is a good match up.

However, Collazo is being built up into a monster and Khan's chin whilst not great is not as bad as being made out on here.

If Khan hasn't regressed too much since being with Hunter he wins fairly easily on points.

True Wrists but then Julio Diaz wasnt a monster either. He's a lightweight really who went up to welterweight for fights. Collazo has fought at 154 before. He's a big guy and hurt both Hatton and Berto when they fought.

Wrists wrote:Collazo is a good solid boxer and this is a good match up.

However, Collazo is being built up into a monster and Khan's chin whilst not great is not as bad as being made out on here.

If Khan hasn't regressed too much since being with Hunter he wins fairly easily on points.

Noone is 'building up Collazo to be a monster' in the slightest. He isn't.

It's almost like people think you have to be a monster to beat Khan.

A lot of people equate his 'speed' with 'skills' and 'boxing ability'. Khan is a fast-handed fighter with no smarts, no real defensive capability, no brain.[/quote]


He's been a right lucky fornicator then hasn't he if he's that shite?

palooka wrote:
He's been a right lucky fornicator then hasn't he if he's that shite?

I didn't say he was shite. He's done ok for his ability level.

palooka wrote: A lot of people equate his 'speed' with 'skills' and 'boxing ability'. Khan is a fast-handed fighter with no smarts, no real defensive capability, no brain.

He's been a right lucky fornicator then hasn't he if he's that shite?[/quote]
You can still achieve a lot without being a great boxer though mate. I doubt many would say Froch is the most gifted but he makes up for it with an incredible chin, great fitness and decent power and a great will to win. Khan makes up for his flaws with tremendous speed.

Columbo - you are worse than me at quoting

Riddick - if making millions of pounds and winning (and losing) titles in good fights are what boxers turn pro hope to do then Khan has had a very good career. To do it by 27 years old is standout though I agree, if he'd have had a good chin and something between his ears Khan would have been really really good.

Wrists wrote:Collazo is a good solid boxer and this is a good match up.

However, Collazo is being built up into a monster and Khan's chin whilst not great is not as bad as being made out on here.

If Khan hasn't regressed too much since being with Hunter he wins fairly easily on points.

Agree a 100%

The Insider wrote:

columbo wrote: When has Khan ever really not boxed recklessly though? He's not slick at all.

Probably never but I did say that at the end of my post that regardless of what Khans plans are there are always Dramas. I also never said he was slick. I said he has the tools to beat Collazo.

Are you just reading want you want to read?

No offence like.

He boxed really well against Barrera , kotelnik, Malignaggi and Judah.

Anzi wrote:

Wrists wrote:Collazo is a good solid boxer and this is a good match up.

However, Collazo is being built up into a monster and Khan's chin whilst not great is not as bad as being made out on here.

If Khan hasn't regressed too much since being with Hunter he wins fairly easily on points.

Agree a 100%

I do think Khans chin is every bit as bad as people are saying, and it is strange how it developed-no signs of it all in the amateurs until he was badly hurt in his last amateur fight-but there havent been many fights since then when he either hasnt been wobbly at some point or taken a count. I cant remember another top 10 fighter with such wobbly whiskers, maybe Tommy Hearns at the tail end of his career? but even then not with the fragility Khan carries.

On saying all of that I think he is a very brave guy, always comes to fight and in terms of financial success appears to have done incredibly well which is I guess what this game is about.

I think for me the key is how Khan copes mentally with the lack of confidence about his ability to take shots he must carry with him into the ring, which must make it very hard for him to stay focussed.

He should beat Collazo but I dont think the break will have done him much good, and this period of his career hasnt been too well handled imo.

Of course Khan should win, that's why Golden Boy have matched him with Collazo, and that's why the bookies make Khan favourite. And there's a very good chance he will win, no need to be convinced of that.

But unlike the dead cert main event ( Floyd UD ) there's also a decent chance, as the rounds go by and he slows a bit, that this one might not go as planned - that's why the odds look quite attractive, as long as you're not betting the house.

Looking forward to this one

palooka wrote:Columbo - you are worse than me at quoting

Riddick - if making millions of pounds and winning (and losing) titles in good fights are what boxers turn pro hope to do then Khan has had a very good career. To do it by 27 years old is standout though I agree, if he'd have had a good chin and something between his ears Khan would have been really really good.

If we're talking earning power, it helps a lot that he was extremely marketable after being the UK golden boy of the Olympics in 2004. Being a very good amateur and prominent Olympian has helped Khan immeasurably in terms of subsequent earning power. If he'd have turned over without much fanfare (a la Degale for example) he could have easily been less protected, suffered a few more losses earlier in his career and not really get the opportunities he has done in reality.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

palooka wrote:Columbo - you are worse than me at quoting

Riddick - if making millions of pounds and winning (and losing) titles in good fights are what boxers turn pro hope to do then Khan has had a very good career. To do it by 27 years old is standout though I agree, if he'd have had a good chin and something between his ears Khan would have been really really good.

If we're talking earning power, it helps a lot that he was extremely marketable after being the UK golden boy of the Olympics in 2004. Being a very good amateur and prominent Olympian has helped Khan immeasurably in terms of subsequent earning power. If he'd have turned over without much fanfare (a la Degale for example) he could have easily been less protected, suffered a few more losses earlier in his career and not really get the opportunities he has done in reality.

I agree his marketability has been helped by his Olympic exploits, Degale had the same, when he first turned, but ruined it for himself, with all the cockiness, in fact Degale won the Olympics, whilst Khan did not, but your claim that Khan has been protected is pure, mind clouded rubbish,
who would have put a young kid like him in with Prescott, so early in his career.

Anzi wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

palooka wrote:Columbo - you are worse than me at quoting

Riddick - if making millions of pounds and winning (and losing) titles in good fights are what boxers turn pro hope to do then Khan has had a very good career. To do it by 27 years old is standout though I agree, if he'd have had a good chin and something between his ears Khan would have been really really good.

If we're talking earning power, it helps a lot that he was extremely marketable after being the UK golden boy of the Olympics in 2004. Being a very good amateur and prominent Olympian has helped Khan immeasurably in terms of subsequent earning power. If he'd have turned over without much fanfare (a la Degale for example) he could have easily been less protected, suffered a few more losses earlier in his career and not really get the opportunities he has done in reality.

I agree his marketability has been helped by his Olympic exploits, Degale had the same, when he first turned, but ruined it for himself, with all the cockiness, in fact Degale won the Olympics, whilst Khan did not, but your claim that Khan has been protected is pure, mind clouded rubbish,
who would have put a young kid like him in with Prescott, so early in his career.

Prescott was Khan's 19th professional fight. Degale fought Paul Smith and Groves in his 9th and 11th fight respectively.

Anzi wrote:who would have put a young kid like him in with Prescott, so early in his career.

Since you ask it was Jorge Rubio, Khan's trainer at the time, who brought him over, and was promptly fired afterwards. Warren said he 'never should have gone for him' or something. Then he 'beat' a shot, bloated and eye-damaged Barrera before Warren moved Khan up to light welter when the going looked too tough at lightweight...(Marquez?? No thanks!) to take on the utterly fearsome Kotelnik for the WBA bauble...

Then of course he went on to battle the likes of Malignaggi, Salita, McCloskey, a stale, pedestrian Zab Judah. Malignaggi was a good win but a very favourable style matchup for Khan. Maidana remains his only dangerous opponent he has beaten, and he almost got stopped.

Of course he was matched carefully, but with his frailties it's understandable. If I was moving Khan and wanted to make a lot of money I would probably have done the same with him.

Breidis Prescott was brought in because he had looked so befuddled by the genuinely slick Richard Abril in his previous fight. Of course Abril fought through a broken jaw and turned out to be made of sterner stuff than Amir Khan. Prescott has subsequently been a relatively safe opponent for a number of prospects.

Khan obviously has talent. He is fun to watch, regardless of his prima donna personality outside the ring. But he has hugely benefitted from powerful connections & very careful match making. A boxer like Abril, with Khan's same pampering, could have surely beaten all the same guys, and beaten the guys Khan lost to as well.

I just think Collazo fundamentally is too solid, too game, too much of everything. I'm sure Khan will bully him early as Hatton did, but Collazo always comes through it and starts to test his opponent. And when Khan gets tested he fails.