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jameswilson wrote:

iamasadlittleboy wrote:
Oh that's right, to give him a confidence boost...he might as well have just hit a bag in the middle of the ring for all the good that actually did. Fights like this are why fans turn away from the sport.

Don't ever take up promoting for god sake. If you expect every fight to be a 50-50 war then you are truly deluded.

You ain't kidding.

expe wrote:

iamasadlittleboy wrote:...and the point of that was?...

First fight at a new weight, off the back of a stoppage defeat, gets him a world ranking, good confidence builder and allowed him to grow into the weight against a smaller cruiserweight. Needs stepping up next time out but I have no problem with him returning against a fighter like Corbin.

Every promoter would put him in with this kind of guy. Frank Buglioni will be in with a knockover, John Murray will have an easy comeback. The only example I can think in the UK of a fighter coming into a tough fight after a KO loss is David Price. And how did that go?

jameswilson wrote: Don't ever take up promoting for god sake. If you expect every fight to be a 50-50 war then you are truly deluded.

Doesn't need to be 50-50 to be a worthy match up just doesn't need to be a former world champion against an absolutely shocking opponent like that who was 39, chinny and blown up.

gilgamesh wrote:Good performance for Cleverly, it was another particularly quick stoppage, but it seemed inevitable nonetheless.

Nevertheless good Cleverly looks good at Cruiserweight. I can see him having some success there.

tbf I think Corbin had taken enough, so fair stoppage. Up to that point though I'm not sure Cleverley looked like he had much CW poke in his punch..

jameswilson wrote: Every promoter would put him in with this kind of guy. Frank Buglioni will be in with a knockover, John Murray will have an easy comeback. The only example I can think in the UK of a fighter coming into a tough fight after a KO loss is David Price. And how did that go?

Because Buglioni and Murray are former world champions? Who were dropping from losing to a very good fighter to fight to an absolutely turgid foe?

That was far too cordial for me haha. Cleverly was very respecful. Bellew being a gobshite as per usual

iamasadlittleboy wrote:

expe wrote:

iamasadlittleboy wrote:...and the point of that was?...

First fight at a new weight, off the back of a stoppage defeat, gets him a world ranking, good confidence builder and allowed him to grow into the weight against a smaller cruiserweight. Needs stepping up next time out but I have no problem with him returning against a fighter like Corbin.

First fight at a new weight and he fights a bloated Light Heavyweight? So again the point?

He already had a world ranking (WBA #12 and WBO #12 both at Cruiserweight)

Could have had him in with a British Cruiserweight and he'd have had a better work out.

It gives him the time to grow into the weight and build muscle, throwing him in with a full blown cruiserweight was potential suicide, a risk like that was simply not worth taking. That will move him into the WBA Top 10 and will probably move him up the WBO rankings, giving them the option of making it either a WBA or WBO eliminator when he fights Bellew.

Christ Tony can be a real whingebag. Change the feckin record.

iamasadlittleboy wrote:

jameswilson wrote: Every promoter would put him in with this kind of guy. Frank Buglioni will be in with a knockover, John Murray will have an easy comeback. The only example I can think in the UK of a fighter coming into a tough fight after a KO loss is David Price. And how did that go?

Because Buglioni and Murray are former world champions? Who were dropping from losing to a very good fighter to fight to an absolutely turgid foe?

Murray and Buglioni won't be fighting guys ranked as highly as Corbin in their respective decisions. They will face guys at a suitable level below them that they can look good.

columbo wrote:That was far too cordial for me haha. Cleverly was very respecful. Bellew being a gobshite as per usual

Being a gobshite just makes me what Clev to win

Couldn't he have fought a domestic cruiserweight like China Clarke, Neil Dawson or someone?

Is Liverpool the home of boxing?

Final round wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Good performance for Cleverly, it was another particularly quick stoppage, but it seemed inevitable nonetheless.

Nevertheless good Cleverly looks good at Cruiserweight. I can see him having some success there.

tbf I think Corbin had taken enough, so fair stoppage. Up to that point though I'm not sure Cleverley looked like he had much CW poke in his punch..

I don't think it would've made any difference to the outcome of the fight if Corbin had been allowed to stick around so I won't argue with you, but this explains why so many of you guys think the Arreola-Stiverne 2 stoppage was too late. You guys are used to referees jumping the gun, and stopping fights very early. Basically at the first or second sign of a guy being stunned.

Bellew is hard on the ears but i must admit that i had a chuckle when he made his Ivan Drago comment. Lol

I like Bellew but he's coming across as a right bell end tonight

columbo wrote:Is Liverpool the home of boxing?

It's the home of wannabe hardmen and wannabe comedians.

Final round wrote:Christ Tony can be a real whingebag. Change the feckin record.

He talks a good game but his performances have rarely matched his words.

I think he believes in himself though which isn't bad but he'll never be a world champion at any weight.

jameswilson wrote:

columbo wrote:Is Liverpool the home of boxing?

It's the home of wannabe hardmen and wannabe comedians.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

Final round wrote:Christ Tony can be a real whingebag. Change the feckin record.

He talks a good game but his performances have rarely matched his words.

I think he believes in himself though which isn't bad but he'll never be a world champion at any weight.

That's very true. I've only seen Tony a few times, but he's never really impressed me much. I think Cleverly could take him.

jameswilson wrote:

iamasadlittleboy wrote:

jameswilson wrote: Every promoter would put him in with this kind of guy. Frank Buglioni will be in with a knockover, John Murray will have an easy comeback. The only example I can think in the UK of a fighter coming into a tough fight after a KO loss is David Price. And how did that go?

Because Buglioni and Murray are former world champions? Who were dropping from losing to a very good fighter to fight to an absolutely turgid foe?

Murray and Buglioni won't be fighting guys ranked as highly as Corbin in their respective decisions. They will face guys at a suitable level below them that they can look good.

Ranked as highly as Corbin? fornicate me where was Corbin ranked?...Boxrec had him 130 or something...if Buglioni faces some one 100 places below him then he deserves stick too.

Again, might as well have had him with a British guy

Johnny Nelson giving Bellew a grilling for his bullshit.

gilgamesh wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

Final round wrote:Christ Tony can be a real whingebag. Change the feckin record.

He talks a good game but his performances have rarely matched his words.

I think he believes in himself though which isn't bad but he'll never be a world champion at any weight.

That's very true. I've only seen Tony a few times, but he's never really impressed me much. I think Cleverly could take him.

He already has done ;;-)

bellew is coming across like a total fool

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

Final round wrote:Christ Tony can be a real whingebag. Change the feckin record.

He talks a good game but his performances have rarely matched his words.

I think he believes in himself though which isn't bad but he'll never be a world champion at any weight.

Yeah you're right

Everytime Bellew opens his mouth it make me support Clev even more...

You would have thought after getting rinsed by Stevenson that he would have learnt some humility...