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Pureist wrote:Don't know what you don't understand kbb, this punch count is accurate that I'm doing, anytime I've listed in each round so far there will be a punch landed for the nominated fighter, Floyd got the decision, I said a draw or 1 round either way, total domination is ridiculous, an honest and accurate breakdown of the footage will actually show that, it will show how compubox are fantasy stats and that either judges should be more alert, not from the same country of origin of the fighters or personally know any of the fighters

Your punch count will be as biased as Hell, and honestly who cares what you post because the official results are already in and you, Ricky and whoever else will not change anyone's mind with your garbage account of this fight.

It's over, Manny Pacquiao LOST this fight by a huge margin of 10-2. Outside of Skip Bayless, Holyfield and Shane Mosley I cannot find any others who agree with you. On the other hand, nearly every boxer, professional commentator, news agency, and sportscaster has agreed unanimously that this fight was nowhere near close some went 8-4, 9-3 or 10-2 anything other than that and that is simply bias or giving Packy the benefit of the doubt.

You guys are just such sore losers, 3 weeks out and you are still crying.

My punch count isn't biased at all, that would defeat the purpose of doing it, honest and accurate, I think your issue is that you don't want any stats to actually show how close it really was especially after you've been spruiking how the scorecards are accurate, feel free to check for yourself

KBB wrote:

Pureist wrote:Don't know what you don't understand kbb, this punch count is accurate that I'm doing, anytime I've listed in each round so far there will be a punch landed for the nominated fighter, Floyd got the decision, I said a draw or 1 round either way, total domination is ridiculous, an honest and accurate breakdown of the footage will actually show that, it will show how compubox are fantasy stats and that either judges should be more alert, not from the same country of origin of the fighters or personally know any of the fighters

Your punch count will be as biased as Hell, and honestly who cares what you post because the official results are already in and you, Ricky and whoever else will not change anyone's mind with your garbage account of this fight.

It's over, Manny Pacquiao LOST this fight by a huge margin of 10-2. Outside of Skip Bayless, Holyfield and Shane Mosley I cannot find any others who agree with you. On the other hand, nearly every boxer, professional commentator, news agency, and sportscaster has agreed unanimously that this fight was nowhere near close some went 8-4, 9-3 or 10-2 anything other than that and that is simply bias or giving Packy the benefit of the doubt.

You guys are just such sore losers, 3 weeks out and you are still crying.

KBB, your insistance that Floyd won 10-2 is precisely what keeps fuelling the fire and keeps these posts going weeks after the fight happened. Some people agree with you, but the average scorecard out there is 8-4, which is a clear win, but not a huge margin. I think that anyone without bias or a strong preference for one boxer's style over another's, should agree that there were several close rounds in this fight that could be scored either way, namely rounds 2, 3, 7, 9, 10 and 12. Personally I think Manny definitely won rounds 3 and 10, while Floyd definitely won rounds 9 and 12, while rounds 2 and 7 were very close, though I had Manny nicking round 2 and scored round 7 even. If I'd given both those rounds to Floyd, my scorecard would be 8-4 to Floyd, which I think is very reasonable. I'm not 'butthurt', I picked Floyd to win a decision, I just think the fight was a lot closer than many are making it out to be.

See jezza, I'm not being biased, round 2 punch count went to pacquaio but I gave Floyd the round for better quality, kbb has a lack of integrity, as I said there is absolutely no point in me doing this if I'm not honest, if other posters see it is an honest assessment then I have achieved what I set out to do

jezzamundo wrote:KBB, your insistance that Floyd won 10-2 is precisely what keeps fuelling the fire and keeps these posts going weeks after the fight happened. Some people agree with you, but the average scorecard out there is 8-4, which is a clear win, but not a huge margin. I think that anyone without bias or a strong preference for one boxer's style over another's, should agree that there were several close rounds in this fight that could be scored either way, namely rounds 2, 3, 7, 9, 10 and 12. Personally I think Manny definitely won rounds 3 and 10, while Floyd definitely won rounds 9 and 12, while rounds 2 and 7 were very close, though I had Manny nicking round 2 and scored round 7 even. If I'd given both those rounds to Floyd, my scorecard would be 8-4 to Floyd, which I think is very reasonable. I'm not 'butthurt', I picked Floyd to win a decision, I just think the fight was a lot closer than many are making it out to be.

You have your score and I have mine, when I watch the fight I see Floyd winning all but 2 rounds just as Mikey and Robert Garcia both see it. Do I care that anyone here agrees with me, no. Do I care that these people will use that to keep this dead issue going, no.

I have my bias and I'm keeping it, Floyd won and won in his easiest fight to date. Maidana and every Mayweather opponent did far more vs Floyd than Manny did.

Manny looked like an amateur based on what I saw, he made NO adjustments, he was off balance most of the fight, swinging at the air for 81% of his punches, couldn't cut off the ring or parry the jab (the simplest of things to do in boxing).

Manny made the fight boring by not being able to throw his punches in bunches and not being able to do much continuously enough in the fight to make it even remotely interesting. Take Maidana by comparison (since all of the PacTURDS here were basing what they thought Chino did vs Floyd as a barometer of how they thought Manny would do), Chino did far more, he was totally aggressive and cut off the ring and forced Floyd (who continually used his same style) into exchanging with him in their first fight.

Was Manny able to do this?? NO!! Packy stunk out the joint with his low level of effectiveness, do I care that they get mad here regarding these facts and pure truth, NO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_iYvwlHNGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMUiP0WclFI

And that's exactly why your a Floyd groupie that has no knowledge of boxing, I saw the other day you posted about pacquaio not parrying floyds punches, clearly you have no idea, many of floyds punches were parried, your own admission of bias indicates exactly why no one should take your version of the fight seriously, you have just lost any integrity you had left in this arguement, effective punching will be shown in the punch count

What isn't in dispute by anyone with any common sense at all is that it was an easy fight for Mayweather.

Almost no one who saw the fight in person had it close.

The judges had it a runaway as did most of press row.

Compubox- accurate for this fight no matter how much you slow up or speed up the tape- had it a runaway.

You guys want to stay in denial, be my guest. Much funnier that way.

And the only thing I can promise any of you crybabies is that, if they fight again, you will be doing the exact same thing the day after.

Looking for lame excuses to explain away what is obvious to everyone else.

Pureist wrote:And that's exactly why your a Floyd groupie that has no knowledge of boxing, I saw the other day you posted about pacquaio not parrying floyds punches, clearly you have no idea, many of floyds punches were parried, your own admission of bias indicates exactly why no one should take your version of the fight seriously, you have just lost any integrity you had left in this arguement, effective punching will be shown in the punch count

The little bit of boxing knowledge I do have is far more than you'll ever know, I have forgotten more about boxing than you ever knew.

I said Manny didn't know how to parry the jab of Floyd, why don't you see how many jabs Mayweather hit him with since you are doing all of your garbage counting, count those and get back to us and tell us how many of them he parried??

Yes, I have bias and so do you because otherwise you wouldn't be out here trying to prove that Manny won or that it was close.

It's too bad you think you are the only one who has this so called "boxing knowledge" because if you did have any at all really then you wouldn't bother with your nonsense on this biased count you are bothering with and recognize that the fight is over, Manny lost and I laugh gladly in your face.

Well then kbb, if my punch count is so biased as you suggest you should have no problem picking holes in what I have stated so just write down where there wasn't a punch landed where I've said there was and then I will post the shot of the punch landed, easy problem to solve if you really want to test your theory that my count is biased, back up what you post numb nuts

koolkc107 wrote:What isn't in dispute by anyone with any common sense at all is that it was an easy fight for Mayweather.

Almost no one who saw the fight in person had it close.

The judges had it a runaway as did most of press row.

Compubox- accurate for this fight no matter how much you slow up or speed up the tape- had it a runaway.

You guys want to stay in denial, be my guest. Much funnier that way.

And the only thing I can promise any of you crybabies is that, if they fight again, you will be doing the exact same thing the day after.

Looking for lame excuses to explain away what is obvious to everyone else.

As I said for a long time now kooly, common sense isn't very common these days

Pureist wrote:Well then kbb, if my punch count is so biased as you suggest you should have no problem picking holes in what I have stated so just write down where there wasn't a punch landed where I've said there was and then I will post the shot of the punch landed, easy problem to solve if you really want to test your theory that my count is biased, back up what you post numb nuts

...not caring myself one way or the other, I think it's a reasonable challenge to solve the punch count matter once and for all...

round 5 all punches not scored on punch count video------- 2.35 p lands right, 2.26 f lands jab, 2.09 f lands right body shot, 2.05 p lands jab, 2.02 p lands right body shot, 1.59f lands jab, 1.55f lands jab, 1.54 f lands jab, 1.50 f lands jab, 1.50f lands right, 1.49f lands jab, 1.49 f lands right, 1.29 p lands jab, 1.28f lands right body shot, 1.22 f lands right body shot, 1.17f lands jab, .51 f lands jab, .14 f lands jab----------- round count and scored punches f=18, p=6, floyd round easily

round 7 all punches not scored on punchcount video----------2.49 f lands jab, 2.45 f lands jab, 2.30 f lands jab, 2.25 f lands jab, 2.07f lands jab, 1.59 p lands left cross, 1.56 f lands jab, 1.37 f lands jab, 1.29p lands jab, 1.02 p lands jab, .56 f lands jab, .53f lands jab, .31 f lands left hook, .27 f lands jab, .23 f lands jab, .07 f lands jab ----------punch count total f=17, p=10----- quality punches with pacquaio, 3 clean jabs from floyd whole round with the others just grazing, pacquaio round

WTF?????? I can not freaking believe that you all are still argueing like a couple of 2 year olds about this fight.

Freaking get over it.There is a lot more to boxing than Manny and Floyd

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:KBB, your insistance that Floyd won 10-2 is precisely what keeps fuelling the fire and keeps these posts going weeks after the fight happened. Some people agree with you, but the average scorecard out there is 8-4, which is a clear win, but not a huge margin. I think that anyone without bias or a strong preference for one boxer's style over another's, should agree that there were several close rounds in this fight that could be scored either way, namely rounds 2, 3, 7, 9, 10 and 12. Personally I think Manny definitely won rounds 3 and 10, while Floyd definitely won rounds 9 and 12, while rounds 2 and 7 were very close, though I had Manny nicking round 2 and scored round 7 even. If I'd given both those rounds to Floyd, my scorecard would be 8-4 to Floyd, which I think is very reasonable. I'm not 'butthurt', I picked Floyd to win a decision, I just think the fight was a lot closer than many are making it out to be.

You have your score and I have mine, when I watch the fight I see Floyd winning all but 2 rounds just as Mikey and Robert Garcia both see it. Do I care that anyone here agrees with me, no. Do I care that these people will use that to keep this dead issue going, no.

I have my bias and I'm keeping it, Floyd won and won in his easiest fight to date. Maidana and every Mayweather opponent did far more vs Floyd than Manny did.

Manny looked like an amateur based on what I saw, he made NO adjustments, he was off balance most of the fight, swinging at the air for 81% of his punches, couldn't cut off the ring or parry the jab (the simplest of things to do in boxing).

Manny made the fight boring by not being able to throw his punches in bunches and not being able to do much continuously enough in the fight to make it even remotely interesting. Take Maidana by comparison (since all of the PacTURDS here were basing what they thought Chino did vs Floyd as a barometer of how they thought Manny would do), Chino did far more, he was totally aggressive and cut off the ring and forced Floyd (who continually used his same style) into exchanging with him in their first fight.

Was Manny able to do this?? NO!! Packy stunk out the joint with his low level of effectiveness, do I care that they get mad here regarding these facts and pure truth, NO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_iYvwlHNGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMUiP0WclFI

A good post in parts but the stuff in bold is pure exaggeration - this kind of bullshit will make you lose credibility in the eyes of most. I agree that Floyd didn't have to work hard (although he offensively did very little in several rounds) and Maidana did better against Floyd, in the first fight at least. Floyd beat Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto (IMO, this could be disputed), Guerrero, Alvarez and Maidana (in 2nd fight, not 1st) more convincingly than he beat Manny. Several of these guys had more offensive success against Floyd than Manny did, but all of them took more punishment than Manny did. I'm not trying to say that Manny did well in this fight - he was underwhelming, but so was Floyd IMO. For me both fighters lose p4p stock for their performances in this fight.

jezzamundo wrote:A good post in parts but the stuff in bold is pure exaggeration - this kind of bullshit will make you lose credibility in the eyes of most. I agree that Floyd didn't have to work hard (although he offensively did very little in several rounds) and Maidana did better against Floyd, in the first fight at least. Floyd beat Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto (IMO, this could be disputed), Guerrero, Alvarez and Maidana (in 2nd fight, not 1st) more convincingly than he beat Manny. Several of these guys had more offensive success against Floyd than Manny did, but all of them took more punishment than Manny did. I'm not trying to say that Manny did well in this fight - he was underwhelming, but so was Floyd IMO. For me both fighters lose p4p stock for their performances in this fight.

Personally I don't care about credibility from the Pacquiao fans, they are at most nothing more than bandwagon fans of this sport, as it is true that 99% of them came onto the boxing scene when Manny started to get popular. With the ridiculous stuff that they say credibility is the last thing that concerns me, so if that's all you are seeking is validation from them then you are wasting your time because they never see logic in any post made against Manny Pacquiao.

I will stick by what I've stated in bold because while those fighters may have taken more punishment than Manny but they were by far much more effective in doing the basics than Manny did or they showed that they were trying to do the basic things they were taught not necessarily doing things how flawed Packy was doing.

I don't care to poke holes in Pureist garbage count, he is amongst the biggest PacTURDS along with Ricky on this entire forum and it should be obvious to anyone that they are the most BUTTHURT too just by keeping this mess going 3 weeks after the fact.

Manny LOST and LOST easily and it's over. As long as they continue to bring it up, I'll continually rub that L in their faces.

I wasn't referring to Pacquiao fans, I meant boxing fans in general. I agree, there's no point in looking for validation from fans who are so biased in their favourite fighter's favour that they won't hear a bad word against them. Based on what I've read, I disagree that Pureist is a Pacturd, I think his posts have generally been fairly objective and unbiased, which is more than I can say for many.

jezzamundo wrote:I wasn't referring to Pacquiao fans, I meant boxing fans in general. I agree, there's no point in looking for validation from fans who are so biased in their favourite fighter's favour that they won't hear a bad word against them. Based on what I've read, I disagree that Pureist is a Pacturd, I think his posts have generally been fairly objective and unbiased, which is more than I can say for many.

You haven't read his stuff in other threads, that dude is amongst the worst of PacTURDS.

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:I wasn't referring to Pacquiao fans, I meant boxing fans in general. I agree, there's no point in looking for validation from fans who are so biased in their favourite fighter's favour that they won't hear a bad word against them. Based on what I've read, I disagree that Pureist is a Pacturd, I think his posts have generally been fairly objective and unbiased, which is more than I can say for many.

You haven't read his stuff in other threads, that dude is amongst the worst of PacTURDS.

As I've said before kbb, I don't actually mind floyd, what erks me is groupies like yourself that have unrealistic views like yourself, that park their heads inside floyds arse, that can't be rational to any point, as I have said if this count is biased then show me where, or are you scared I'm not being biased and you will find out the judges were, oh by the way, what I've written on other threads was hanging shite on you, not floyd, all I've stated was obvious, floyd was beaten by castillo

Pureist wrote:

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:I wasn't referring to Pacquiao fans, I meant boxing fans in general. I agree, there's no point in looking for validation from fans who are so biased in their favourite fighter's favour that they won't hear a bad word against them. Based on what I've read, I disagree that Pureist is a Pacturd, I think his posts have generally been fairly objective and unbiased, which is more than I can say for many.

You haven't read his stuff in other threads, that dude is amongst the worst of PacTURDS.

As I've said before kbb, I don't actually mind floyd, what erks me is groupies like yourself that have unrealistic views like yourself, that park their heads inside floyds arse, that can't be rational to any point, as I have said if this count is biased then show me where, or are you scared I'm not being biased and you will find out the judges were, oh by the way, what I've written on other threads was hanging shite on you, not floyd, all I've stated was obvious, floyd was beaten by castillo

You gotta wonder why the groupies object so heavily over you doing a replay evaluation of punch stats. They're kicking up a stink because they know Floyd was on his bike, landed nothing of substance, and lost the fight? They wanna take Moretti's card and ride into the sunset.

Pureist wrote:

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:I wasn't referring to Pacquiao fans, I meant boxing fans in general. I agree, there's no point in looking for validation from fans who are so biased in their favourite fighter's favour that they won't hear a bad word against them. Based on what I've read, I disagree that Pureist is a Pacturd, I think his posts have generally been fairly objective and unbiased, which is more than I can say for many.

You haven't read his stuff in other threads, that dude is amongst the worst of PacTURDS.

As I've said before kbb, I don't actually mind floyd, what erks me is groupies like yourself that have unrealistic views like yourself, that park their heads inside floyds arse, that can't be rational to any point, as I have said if this count is biased then show me where, or are you scared I'm not being biased and you will find out the judges were, oh by the way, what I've written on other threads was hanging shite on you, not floyd, all I've stated was obvious, floyd was beaten by castillo

I respect your anti-brut stance, don't get me wrong, but in regards to what is in bold, did you watch it in super-duper slow-mo to come to that conclusion? And are we talking about the first fight, or the second fight? You know, the rematch, where Floyd Mayweather who only takes easy fights according to some, gave a rematch to the guy who gave him the most trouble up to that point(and an argument could be made, ever)?

The 1st fight and it was a very obvious win to Castillo, even kbb admitted Floyd lost, good on him for that by the way

Why even open the thread then, don't look at it

Pureist wrote:Why even open the thread then, don't look at it

To give him an excuse to use the phrase "The solid excretory product evacuated from my body on a daily basis"

and for that I say Bravo

Pureist wrote:

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:I wasn't referring to Pacquiao fans, I meant boxing fans in general. I agree, there's no point in looking for validation from fans who are so biased in their favourite fighter's favour that they won't hear a bad word against them. Based on what I've read, I disagree that Pureist is a Pacturd, I think his posts have generally been fairly objective and unbiased, which is more than I can say for many.

You haven't read his stuff in other threads, that dude is amongst the worst of PacTURDS.

As I've said before kbb, I don't actually mind floyd, what erks me is groupies like yourself that have unrealistic views like yourself, that park their heads inside floyds arse, that can't be rational to any point, as I have said if this count is biased then show me where, or are you scared I'm not being biased and you will find out the judges were, oh by the way, what I've written on other threads was hanging shite on you, not floyd, all I've stated was obvious, floyd was beaten by castillo

LOL to you calling me a groupie when I go back and read the crap you posted. I've been rational, I've stated that I believe Floyd should be 47-1 (he lost to Castillo) and I've said that he was legitimately knocked down by Judah, so I'm not some blinded and irrational fanboy. I just believe based on my scoring (which is obviously different from yours and definitely from that Pureist guy) that Mayweather won the fight easily by a margin of 10-2.

No, I didn't give MP the benefit of the doubt like some did because where they were only looking for him coming forward and being the aggressor, I was looking at him not being effective (point to Floyd), ring generalship (Point to Floyd), Defense (definitely a point to Floyd) and clean punching (point to Floyd).

I'm sure that those scores gets lost on so called "boxing fans" these days but I never forget to include them and in this fight never was it more clear who dominated in those categories. Manny wasn't even all that aggressive and when he was it usually wasn't effective barring the 4th and 6th rounds where I gave it to him clearly.

All the other rounds, Floyd simply outclassed and outboxed him.

Sorry you don't agree and cannot except my scoring and chose to make lame comments and whatnot to try and prove some simpleminded post of yours.

Have a nice day