Floyd vs Berto now official

[Pureist]

You have made the weight limit at the specified time, that all you should have to do, whether it's a catch weight or a divisional weight

[Tanzio]

He's the shortest in the boxrec top ten (not counting Cotto) and regularly weighs in well under the 160 limit. I don't think he's ever weighed over 161 like guys like Lee, Quillin, or even Lemieux. Coupled with the fact that its not that hard to look at two fighters and see who the bigger man is, Golovkin is a smallish middleweight.

He is not the shortest besides Cotto, but he did fight once under 159. I will concede your point that according to your parameters he could be considered a smallish MW.

The fact is that 3G has campaigned at MW his entire career. He is p4p number 1 at the weight. He has never fought at 154, let alone 152.

If he can easily make 154 he should go down there and campaign there, because I do think that going up to 168 would be very risky for him. There has been relatively small potatoes available for him at MW. Certainly going down to 154 and taking a belt would enhance his resume and bring bigger fights.

All of that considered, he should stay where he belongs at 160 and rule until he retires or gets knocked off.

There are plenty of reasons to criticize FMJ, for his choice of Berto, etc, but his decision not to meet 3G at 154 (whether or not the MW can make weight) is not one of them, especially at his age.

See, comments like yours are silly, "especially at his age",he is P4P#1 regardless of his age, why not fight at 154, he has 2 belts, there is no room for sentiment in pro boxing

FMJ should have been stripped of his 154 belts awhile ago. In fact, he should never have been allowed to win a title at 152, IMO.

Your continued, baseless argument that FMJ's decision not to fight 3G is evidence of his cherry picking fights is not just silly but also ignorant.

You and others claim that 3G is small for MW although he has fought at the weight his entire career and rehydrates to around 170. You sight that as proof that he can make the 154 limit. Yet, the fact that FMJ walks around in the mid to lower 150s and that he is past his prime is no excuse for him not to fight 3G.

FMJ does not need an excuse to do as he pleases. He calls the shots and he has chosen not to fight 3G at any weight. You can whine and b!tch and denigrate him for it, but the only person looking silly is you.

[Tanzio]

You have made the weight limit at the specified time, that all you should have to do, whether it's a catch weight or a divisional weight

Why? If you agree to a rehydration limit contractually, what makes that any less the fighters' responsibility than agreeing to a catch weight?

There is no difference.

[Pureist]

That's why they have weigh ins 24 hours prior so that fighters aren't fighting dehydrated, it's very dangerous, we had a guy die at a fight night here 10 years ago from dehydration, you obviously don't know much about the dangers of dehydration. As for floyd does what he wants and calls the shots, that's why there is so much criticism about this opponent HE chose, as I've asked before WHO was his last mandatory defence and HOW long ago, if GGG can make 154 which HE said he could, that means he would be in JMW, the fact he rehydrated to 170 is good for him, if floyd wants to hold the belts then that's his fault, no issues from floyd fans when they wanted him to fight cotto for the 160 belt if you remember, all it comes down to is that floyds fans like to make excuses, he's old, he rehydrates to only 155 or so, GGG has an unfair weight advantage, GGG hasn't fought any big names, TUFF, floyd has those 2 quality belts

[punchoutsb]

Your opinion of how he looks versus other MWs does not constitute evidence that he is a smallish MW.

He's the shortest in the boxrec top ten (not counting Cotto) and regularly weighs in well under the 160 limit. I don't think he's ever weighed over 161 like guys like Lee, Quillin, or even Lemieux. Coupled with the fact that its not that hard to look at two fighters and see who the bigger man is, Golovkin is a smallish middleweight.

He is not the shortest besides Cotto, but he did fight once under 159. I will concede your point that according to your parameters he could be considered a smallish MW.

The fact is that 3G has campaigned at MW his entire career. He is p4p number 1 at the weight. He has never fought at 154, let alone 152.

If he can easily make 154 he should go down there and campaign there, because I do think that going up to 168 would be very risky for him. There has been relatively small potatoes available for him at MW. Certainly going down to 154 and taking a belt would enhance his resume and bring bigger fights.

All of that considered, he should stay where he belongs at 160 and rule until he retires or gets knocked off.

There are plenty of reasons to criticize FMJ, for his choice of Berto, etc, but his decision not to meet 3G at 154 (whether or not the MW can make weight) is not one of them, especially at his age.

He is the shortest besides Cotto (possibly Lemieux, not sure how tall David is but he is physically bigger and thicker than GGG).

And I have not criticized Floyd for picking Berto. I am fine with the fight, I was just saying that I consider GGG to be a smallish MW.

[Ricky_]

You have made the weight limit at the specified time, that all you should have to do, whether it's a catch weight or a divisional weight

Why? If you agree to a rehydration limit contractually, what makes that any less the fighters' responsibility than agreeing to a catch weight?

There is no difference.

Rehydration limits are rare and will be outlawed before long, they're just sameday weighins by crook.

[Tanzio]

That's why they have weigh ins 24 hours prior so that fighters aren't fighting dehydrated, it's very dangerous, we had a guy die at a fight night here 10 years ago from dehydration, you obviously don't know much about the dangers of dehydration. As for floyd does what he wants and calls the shots, that's why there is so much criticism about this opponent HE chose, as I've asked before WHO was his last mandatory defence and HOW long ago, if GGG can make 154 which HE said he could, that means he would be in JMW, the fact he rehydrated to 170 is good for him, if floyd wants to hold the belts then that's his fault, no issues from floyd fans when they wanted him to fight cotto for the 160 belt if you remember, all it comes down to is that floyds fans like to make excuses, he's old, he rehydrates to only 155 or so, GGG has an unfair weight advantage, GGG hasn't fought any big names, TUFF, floyd has those 2 quality belts

3G is not FMJ's mandatory.

Dehydration is dangerous. Rehydrating too quickly is dangerous. Boxing is dangerous.

As I have stated multiple times I think catch weights are bullsh!t. I think rehydration clauses are bullsh!t. I just think that they are equally bullsh!t. If one is ok, they should both be ok. I think that they should both be against the rules.

The purpose of the 24 hour weigh in was to avoid dehydration but the result of the change is very debatable. Many feel that it has just resulted in more dangerous weight draining.

FMJ is fighting at the top end of his weight level. If there was a 152 class he would own it. 154 is a bridge too far in the modern era of super middles rehydrating to 170 +.

[Pureist]

Didn't say GGG was, asked the question WHO was floyds last mandatory defence, catch weights don't kill boxers, dehydration does so they are very different to each other, rehydrating isn't dangerous, a lot of combat sports have competitors rehydrating via drip, the more you comment on this topic the more I'm realising you have really no idea, there is no 152 division, there is a 154 division in which floyd owns 2 belts, if he doesn't want to fight at that weight he should drop the belts, seeing he hasn't done that I see no reason to find it unreasonable to want a fight between he and GGG at 154, as I've said Canelo often weighs more than GGG come fight night as he is fighting at JMW, he also fought floyd so I really see no excuse, canelo came in at 165 and floyd at 150 on fight night when they fought each other, didn't seem to worry floyd then

[KBB]

See, comments like yours are silly, "especially at his age",he is P4P#1 regardless of his age, why not fight at 154, he has 2 belts, there is no room for sentiment in pro boxing

FMJ should have been stripped of his 154 belts awhile ago. In fact, he should never have been allowed to win a title at 152, IMO.

Your continued, baseless argument that FMJ's decision not to fight 3G is evidence of his cherry picking fights is not just silly but also ignorant.

You and others claim that 3G is small for MW although he has fought at the weight his entire career and rehydrates to around 170. You sight that as proof that he can make the 154 limit. Yet, the fact that FMJ walks around in the mid to lower 150s and that he is past his prime is no excuse for him not to fight 3G.

FMJ does not need an excuse to do as he pleases. He calls the shots and he has chosen not to fight 3G at any weight. You can whine and b!tch and denigrate him for it, but the only person looking silly is you.[/quote]

If you feel that Floyd should have never been able to win a title at 152 then neither should Manny for an even more bogus title at JR MW, wouldn't you agree??

[Badhusker]

I read Floyd was stripped of one 154 lb belt. They should strip him of both.

[Tanzio]

Didn't say GGG was, asked the question WHO was floyds last mandatory defence, catch weights don't kill boxers, dehydration does so they are very different to each other, rehydrating isn't dangerous, a lot of combat sports have competitors rehydrating via drip, the more you comment on this topic the more I'm realising you have really no idea, there is no 152 division, there is a 154 division in which floyd owns 2 belts, if he doesn't want to fight at that weight he should drop the belts, seeing he hasn't done that I see no reason to find it unreasonable to want a fight between he and GGG at 154, as I've said Canelo often weighs more than GGG come fight night as he is fighting at JMW, he also fought floyd so I really see no excuse, canelo came in at 165 and floyd at 150 on fight night when they fought each other, didn't seem to worry floyd then

Draining to make a catch weight is absolutely dehydrating and by it's very nature not healthy. Rehydrating in a 24 hour period certainly can be dangerous to one's health in multiple ways.

FMJ doesn't answer to your sorry, silly, ignorant a$$. He needs no excuse to choose someone other than 3G. He has his reasons for choosing Berto, none of which are adequate, IMO.

My comment on a 152 division was a jab at FMJ that obviously was too subtle for your intellect. Canelo came in at 165 after draining to 152. He was obviously not at full strength for that fight, IMO. He was unable to properly rehydrate from 152 in the 24 hours.

You see no reason or excuse for FMJ to choose not to fight 3G. But your mind is feeble and your argument is ludicrously weak.

Can 3G make 152? That shouldn't be too much to ask given SMW GingerHead (who in your own words often rehydrates to a higher weight than 3G) managed it?

You speak of 3G being a small MW, which is absolutely debatable, yet FMJ is a far smaller welter weight, relatively. FMJ certainly should be fighting someone other than Berto, but that someone is not 3G.

[Pureist]

See, comments like yours are silly, "especially at his age",he is P4P#1 regardless of his age, why not fight at 154, he has 2 belts, there is no room for sentiment in pro boxing

FMJ should have been stripped of his 154 belts awhile ago. In fact, he should never have been allowed to win a title at 152, IMO.

Your continued, baseless argument that FMJ's decision not to fight 3G is evidence of his cherry picking fights is not just silly but also ignorant.

You and others claim that 3G is small for MW although he has fought at the weight his entire career and rehydrates to around 170. You sight that as proof that he can make the 154 limit. Yet, the fact that FMJ walks around in the mid to lower 150s and that he is past his prime is no excuse for him not to fight 3G.

FMJ does not need an excuse to do as he pleases. He calls the shots and he has chosen not to fight 3G at any weight. You can whine and b!tch and denigrate him for it, but the only person looking silly is you.

If you feel that Floyd should have never been able to win a title at 152 then neither should Manny for an even more bogus title at JR MW, wouldn't you agree??[/quote]
Where did I say he shouldn't have been able to win a 154 title, he has held on to them so needs to defend them, if he had dropped them then this discussion wouldn't be happening

[Pureist]

Didn't say GGG was, asked the question WHO was floyds last mandatory defence, catch weights don't kill boxers, dehydration does so they are very different to each other, rehydrating isn't dangerous, a lot of combat sports have competitors rehydrating via drip, the more you comment on this topic the more I'm realising you have really no idea, there is no 152 division, there is a 154 division in which floyd owns 2 belts, if he doesn't want to fight at that weight he should drop the belts, seeing he hasn't done that I see no reason to find it unreasonable to want a fight between he and GGG at 154, as I've said Canelo often weighs more than GGG come fight night as he is fighting at JMW, he also fought floyd so I really see no excuse, canelo came in at 165 and floyd at 150 on fight night when they fought each other, didn't seem to worry floyd then

Draining to make a catch weight is absolutely dehydrating and by it's very nature not healthy. Rehydrating in a 24 hour period certainly can be dangerous to one's health in multiple ways.

FMJ doesn't answer to your sorry, silly, ignorant a$$. He needs no excuse to choose someone other than 3G. He has his reasons for choosing Berto, none of which are adequate, IMO.

My comment on a 152 division was a jab at FMJ that obviously was too subtle for your intellect. Canelo came in at 165 after draining to 152. He was obviously not at full strength for that fight, IMO. He was unable to properly rehydrate from 152 in the 24 hours.

You see no reason or excuse for FMJ to choose not to fight 3G. But your mind is feeble and your argument is ludicrously weak.

Can 3G make 152? That shouldn't be too much to ask given SMW GingerHead (who in your own words often rehydrates to a higher weight than 3G) managed it?

You speak of 3G being a small MW, which is absolutely debatable, yet FMJ is a far smaller welter weight, relatively. FMJ certainly should be fighting someone other than Berto, but that someone is not 3G.

You say my arguement is weak but you have not put forward 1 reason why this fight shouldn't happen, your making excuses, he's too small, he's too old, he does what he wants, all excuses, your fighting a losing battle due to not 1 valid reason, you refer to floyd being a small WW, he is also a JMW, owning those belts, your spin won't Change the fact that this fight would be exciting, should be made and completely legit at 154, you didn't touch on floyds fans wanting him to go for cottos 160 belt I see

[Tanzio]

Didn't say GGG was, asked the question WHO was floyds last mandatory defence, catch weights don't kill boxers, dehydration does so they are very different to each other, rehydrating isn't dangerous, a lot of combat sports have competitors rehydrating via drip, the more you comment on this topic the more I'm realising you have really no idea, there is no 152 division, there is a 154 division in which floyd owns 2 belts, if he doesn't want to fight at that weight he should drop the belts, seeing he hasn't done that I see no reason to find it unreasonable to want a fight between he and GGG at 154, as I've said Canelo often weighs more than GGG come fight night as he is fighting at JMW, he also fought floyd so I really see no excuse, canelo came in at 165 and floyd at 150 on fight night when they fought each other, didn't seem to worry floyd then

Draining to make a catch weight is absolutely dehydrating and by it's very nature not healthy. Rehydrating in a 24 hour period certainly can be dangerous to one's health in multiple ways.

FMJ doesn't answer to your sorry, silly, ignorant a$$. He needs no excuse to choose someone other than 3G. He has his reasons for choosing Berto, none of which are adequate, IMO.

My comment on a 152 division was a jab at FMJ that obviously was too subtle for your intellect. Canelo came in at 165 after draining to 152. He was obviously not at full strength for that fight, IMO. He was unable to properly rehydrate from 152 in the 24 hours.

You see no reason or excuse for FMJ to choose not to fight 3G. But your mind is feeble and your argument is ludicrously weak.

Can 3G make 152? That shouldn't be too much to ask given SMW GingerHead (who in your own words often rehydrates to a higher weight than 3G) managed it?

You speak of 3G being a small MW, which is absolutely debatable, yet FMJ is a far smaller welter weight, relatively. FMJ certainly should be fighting someone other than Berto, but that someone is not 3G.

You say my arguement is weak but you have not put forward 1 reason why this fight shouldn't happen, your making excuses, he's too small, he's too old, he does what he wants, all excuses, your fighting a losing battle due to not 1 valid reason, you refer to floyd being a small WW, he is also a JMW, owning those belts, your spin won't Change the fact that this fight would be exciting, should be made and completely legit at 154, you didn't touch on floyds fans wanting him to go for cottos 160 belt I see

I have on more than one occasion addressed the possibility of fighting Cotto again for a 160 title at a ludicrous catch weight.

3G is not a JMW no matter how many ways you try to slice it. The whole convoluted mess is due to the ridiculous manipulation of catch weights, which you have no problem with even though they make it more difficult for the draining fighter to hydrate properly.

If not for the catch weights FMJ would not own JMW belts won at 152. Cotto would not be fighting GimgerHead at 155. It convolutes everything and it is unhealthy and dangerous for boxers. Just ask Dawson.

The prospective excitement that a match would generate does not necessarily constitute valid reasoning for making the fight. I would be lying if I did not admit that I would enjoy witnessing FMJ defeated. That said, 3G is not a realistic option.

[jujigatame]

I don't blame Floyd for not fighting Golovkin, he'd be at a major size disadvantage. Which is why it boggles my mind that Floyd fought (and dominated) Canelo who is damn near the same size as Golovkin.

[jamesmcdonnell]

GGG is not only bigger, he is very good, and hits incredibly hard.

Why anyone thinks Floyd would want to take on GGG when he's already past his prime, is beyond me. It makes no sense to do so.

[Pureist]

Tanzio, it doesn't matter if he is a career MW, all he would need to do is make 154, that's really not that hard to understand surely

[Tanzio]

Tanzio, it doesn't matter if he is a career MW, all he would need to do is make 154, that's really not that hard to understand surely

What is less difficult to understand is that he would have to make 152 which he has never come within 6 pounds of as a pro. There is no hope for you and your dream. Of course, you were well aware of that from the beginning. Too bad The Hitman isn't around to move up and end 3G in 1.

[Badhusker]

If GGG has no trouble making 154, why not just fight at 147? GGG already has the age and size advantage. That would even the playing field.

[KBB]

If GGG has no trouble making 154, why not just fight at 147? GGG already has the age and size advantage. That would even the playing field.

Once Floyd beats him at any weight outside of 160 there would be nothing but whining and a huge pass from everyone saying how GGG was weight drained just as many still do today for Canelo.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Fact is Floyd isn't a 160 lber, and if any of these guys agree to fight him at a catchweight, then I'm afraid it is their lookout - nobody is pointing a gun at them.

[pablothunder]

The problem is that none of that feels like what actually happened...

It seems to me like those two 154 guys were actually a 152 guy and Oscar who was not natural at the weight...grew into it...and had just one fight in 3 years before Floyd...and then it was a split decision.

There's no doubt he had a great career at 130 and 135 but for the guy claiming to be P4P number 1 the last 7 years have been extremely underwhelming. And it's not just that the opponents weren't there. They were.

Here's the other thing. He fights who he chooses. Number one contenders etc mean nothing. You can't beat a path to his door like contenders could with Hagler or Leonard or Monzon or Louis... Floyd just retires or picks a name he can sell who is past their best or out of their weight division.

He's campaigned at 147 for about 10 years now but the only natural 147ers he's faced have been Baldomir and Ortiz which just about says it all.

This isn't to say he isn't a fantastic fighter. But for me...

the great poet E.E. Cummings said it best in "I Sing Of Olaf"


Olaf (upon what were once knees)
does almost ceaselessly repeat
"there is some poo I will not eat"

[koolkc107]

Bang on Floyd all you like for fighting Berto...and you'd be right.

They are hyping it like it may turn into some kind of entertaining test for Floyd, but the tea leaves say this will be a one-sided rout giving Mayweather his first stoppage in years.

One thing I don't get is folks trying to discredit Floyd's record.

If there is a fighter in the last 20 years who fought more guys coming off huge wins, huge KOs, or title wins than Floyd Mayweather, feel free to name him.

I'll wait.

[Badhusker]

Chuck Norris?

[IKSRTFO]

Bang on Floyd all you like for fighting Berto...and you'd be right.

They are hyping it like it may turn into some kind of entertaining test for Floyd, but the tea leaves say this will be a one-sided rout giving Mayweather his first stoppage in years.

One thing I don't get is folks trying to discredit Floyd's record.

If there is a fighter in the last 20 years who fought more guys coming off huge wins, huge KOs, or title wins than Floyd Mayweather, feel free to name him.

I'll wait.

Oscar De La Hoya