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Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 12:40
by Tony1244
asdfjkl wrote:
diddy wrote: 30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
The bookmakers make me rich, one of them offered 11 times my money back, sounds like a very fair deal to me.
Wilder got the odds, but really not by that much, he never faced a European boxer before in his life and Americans allways struggle against European boxers, even against boxers who clearly got a worser record.

Huh? If you want to root against Americans, go knock yourself out. Anything that creates fan interest is good. But did you refer to SR Leonard, DeLaHoya, Mayweather and Thurman as dwarfs? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps a language barrier.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 12:47
by asdfjkl
Tony1244 wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
diddy wrote: 30% chance your ass. You mean 3% chance according to the bookmakers.
The bookmakers make me rich, one of them offered 11 times my money back, sounds like a very fair deal to me.
Wilder got the odds, but really not by that much, he never faced a European boxer before in his life and Americans allways struggle against European boxers, even against boxers who clearly got a worser record.

Huh? If you want to root against Americans, go knock yourself out. Anything that creates fan interest is good. But did you refer to SR Leonard, DeLaHoya, Mayweather and Thurman as dwarfs? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps a language barrier.
Well let's get real, none of them is even close near the avarage Dutch men.
That's no offence, that's just the way it is.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 12:53
by Tony1244
Huh? If you want to root against Americans, go knock yourself out. Anything that creates fan interest is good. But did you refer to SR Leonard, DeLaHoya, Mayweather and Thurman as dwarfs? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps a language barrier.[/quote]

Well let's get real, none of them is even close near the avarage Dutch men.
That's no offence, that's just the way it is.[/quote]asdfjkl

Is this an attempt at a Steve Colbert imitation?

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 12:54
by Counter-puncher
Ffs if you cant tell from that post that he's trolling, I cant help any of you

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 12:57
by Tony1244
Counter-puncher wrote:Ffs if you cant tell from that post that he's trolling, I cant help any of you

Whats the point of trolling that badly? I've seen political trolls that try to make either liberals or conservatives all look stupid. I've seen racist boxing trolls that just want to incite. I have no idea whatsoever what this guy is trying to do.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:00
by punchoutsb
Tony1244 wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:Ffs if you cant tell from that post that he's trolling, I cant help any of you

Whats the point of trolling that badly? I've seen political trolls that try to make either liberals or conservatives all look stupid. I've seen racist boxing trolls that just want to incite. I have no idea whatsoever what this guy is trying to do.
Most of the trolls on here today do a terrible job of it. This is the first group of trolls to get me to use the ignore feature since I started here. They used to be fun, now they are just ignorant confrontational (only on the safety of the internet of course) basement dwellers without much creativity. :lol:

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:11
by Datsue
Counter-puncher wrote:Ffs if you cant tell from that post that he's trolling, I cant help any of you

:TU:

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:12
by Tony1244
Datsue wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:Ffs if you cant tell from that post that he's trolling, I cant help any of you

:TU:

FYI, my "benefit of the doubt" was quite sarcastic.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:30
by Tony1244
Wilder is -3500 against Duhaupas. Great fight !![/quote]>>>

That seems a bit ridiculous if true. Maybe -1500. But yeah, there are about 30 HWs I'd rather have seen fight Wilder.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:36
by Cap
What are the odds of Duhaupas making it past the first round? I'm thinking knee injury or dislocated shoulder as he climbs through the ropes.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:40
by Tony1244
Unlike a Mayweather fight, its not PPV and we don't know how many rounds its going. I'll guess he makes it thru the first round.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:44
by asdfjkl
punchoutsb wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:Ffs if you cant tell from that post that he's trolling, I cant help any of you

Whats the point of trolling that badly? I've seen political trolls that try to make either liberals or conservatives all look stupid. I've seen racist boxing trolls that just want to incite. I have no idea whatsoever what this guy is trying to do.
Most of the trolls on here today do a terrible job of it. This is the first group of trolls to get me to use the ignore feature since I started here. They used to be fun, now they are just ignorant confrontational (only on the safety of the internet of course) basement dwellers without much creativity. :lol:
Just bring it on, Povetkin, Klitschko, Pulev, Fury, Chagaev, all the active heavyweight boxers got a good record against Americans out there, now call me any active American heavyweight boxer with a good record against Europeans. Thompson? Tarver? Cunningham? Jennings? Stiverne? Mansour? Scott? Banks? Martin?


Also note that Europeans have a different style of fighting, they are pointscorers that are winning rounds.
They don't go for the KO, unless their opponend is weak, wreckless, tired, or just plain dumb.
Unlike Americans, they allways go for the KO from the first second till the end.
I expect this match to take 12 rounds and I really do think Duhaupas got a 30% chance of winning.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:47
by Bobbyptsd
30% is so specific. Did you run it through one of those supercomputers the Dutch are so famous for developing?

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 13:57
by punchoutsb
asdfjkl wrote: Just bring it on, Povetkin, Klitschko, Pulev, Fury, Chagaev, all the active heavyweight boxers got a good record against Americans out there, now call me any active American heavyweight boxer with a good record against Europeans. Thompson? Tarver? Cunningham? Jennings? Stiverne? Mansour? Scott? Banks? Martin?

Also note that Europeans have a different style of fighting, they are pointscorers that are winning rounds.
They don't go for the KO, unless their opponend is weak, wreckless, tired, or just plain dumb.
Unlike Americans, they allways go for the KO from the first second till the end.
I expect this match to take 12 rounds and I really do think Duhaupas got a 30% chance of winning.
I was making a point on trolls in general. I disagree with the sweeping generalizations you make as well as your opinions on small fighters.

However Europeans have been dominating the Heavyweight scene for the past few years.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 14:12
by Tony1244
"""Just bring it on, Povetkin, Klitschko, Pulev, Fury, Chagaev, all the active heavyweight boxers got a good record against Americans out there, now call me any active American heavyweight boxer with a good record against Europeans. Thompson? Tarver? Cunningham? Jennings? Stiverne? Mansour? Scott? Banks? Martin?

Also note that Europeans have a different style of fighting, they are pointscorers that are winning rounds.
They don't go for the KO, unless their opponend is weak, wreckless, tired, or just plain dumb.
Unlike Americans, they allways go for the KO from the first second till the end.
I expect this match to take 12 rounds and I really do think Duhaupas got a 30% chance of winning.""""

Then why didn't you just say that? Yes, it's true Europeans have been dominating the Heavyweight Division since the Klitschko era. 30% on the Frenchman is a little high. I'd say 5%-10%.

But when you go off on Dutchmen being better than Floyd and midget fighters and other such nonsense, you're losing respect even if meant humorously.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 17:05
by asdfjkl
Bobbyptsd wrote:30% is so specific. Did you run it through one of those supercomputers the Dutch are so famous for developing?
We got nice servers, a nice network, things like that.
But not really nice computers actually, next to that, Bill Gates still dominates entire Europe when it comes to Microsoft software.
The reason we got nice servers is because the Netherlands is really crowded, we got 408 people on every square kilometer on avarage in the entire country, America for example got 32,5 people on every square kilometer on avarage.
That means that our internet is about 12 times as busy, so our netwerk should also be about 12 times as strong, just to simply keep up.
Now at moment most Dutch people don't use much internet (when they are asleep for example) the few people awake their internet is much more powerfull as the avarage American network.
The combination of how rich/poor a county is combined with the amount of people every square kilometer is about the keyword to countrys with fast internet, even countrys where you don't expect it from, like South Korea or Israel prove that.

When it actually comes to computers, the Americans and Japanese guys still beat the Dutch easely, simply because they have a far bigger budget, and are willing to use it.


It's just like rockets and stuff like that, in fact the Europe got a far better climate as America for it (never tornado's, never extreme temperatures), but we just don't use our budget for it. I even think America could consider starting their projects inside Europe, it would safe some money for them because of the better weather conditions.



The 30% is an estimation out of my head, but also based on recent history, take a look at Cunningham for example.
According to boxrec he's rank 5 of America, in fact, he never lost against any American at all (Mansour, Tarver, not just bums).
At the same time he lost against all the Europeans he ever faced, while only one of them ended in a KO loss.
Things like that prove it isn't just quality, but just the American/European style that makes the difference.
In fact European heavyweight boxers have far lower KOratings as American boxers, this is partly why the American heavyweight division is less predictable, they all go for the KO, unlike Europeans.
Also note, that Jennings for example has proved much more as Wilder has done at this point, for me Jennings is still the best of America at this point (and I'm keeping an eye on Washington for the future).

Jennings won against Artur Szpilka, who's a far better as any boxer Wilder ever faced, just like Mike Perez, especially at the time, and according to the rankings, so is Andrey Fedosev (because he fought a lot of experienced and active boxers).

Even Jason Gavern, one of the very few Americans with European boxing experience that fought Wilder, clearly gave Wilder a lot more problems as anyone ever expected, just watch that fight on youtube and note that this fight was done while he was out of shape and wasn't prepared for this fight. Eventually he actually wasn't really KOed at all, he was just tired and litterally gave the fight away (and that was just 3 fights ago!) and Jason actually had quite a bad record thanks to all the high level guys he fought.
Things like that prove for me that Wilder simply isn't ready for the top.

I've also seen the Duhaupas-Teper fight and Teper is ranked 8 at this moment according to boxrec, now if you watch the fight it's actually a really dirty ugly fight and Duhaupas really wasn't that bad.

As a latest thing, I'd like to say that Wilder really should watch out for hitting the wall.
Big, hard working guys without a gram of fat on their body (like Wilder during a long boxing match) can hit the wall, marathon runners often got this just before the finish, just look on youtube on "hitting the wall".
That was exactly what happened with Wladimir Klitschko in his younger years.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/7035
In his first lose ever, he was boxing a lot, remarkeble to see is that he was actually 7 pounds lighter as in his boxing match three weeks before.
Wladimir was probably ill just before the match, but felt ready for it anyway.
During the match he simply ran out of energy and lost the fight, you can still look the fight up on youtube and judge for yourself, he wasn't KO, he just forgot to take breakfast and couldn't stand on his legs any more after 20 minits of boxing.
Two months later, hist first match after, he gained 13 pounds again.

Against Brewster exactly the same thing happened, there are rumour that he was poisoned or something like that, but I think he was simply hitting the wall in that fight as well.

After Brewster Klitschko never used more energy as needed to win any of his rounds, he later said that Brewster was a turning point in his life for him.


Anyway, this is a thing that could happen to Wilder as well, for Duhaupas this chance is far lower, first of all because he fought more longer matches and is prepared for that, and second of all because he simply got a bit of fat on his body.


In the end, Wilder is longer, stronger, got bigger lungs, but no fat, less experience, isn't used to pointscoring instead of going for the KO, Duhaupas will show him an entire new style of boxing and despite Duhaupas is worser in every single way, he will still achieve the maximum result he got with his body.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 17:17
by caldo2025
Ok, I just saw a picture of this guy Johann Duhaupas and he looks like he's 57. I'm reading all sorts of posts from people that are actually excited for this bowel movement of a fight. If ANYONE thinks that this fight is going to be good AND/OR last more than 3 rounds then they should get their login revoked.

The fight sucks. Let's stop putting yoga pants on this pig. It's still a pig.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 17:18
by diddy
asdfjkl wrote:
Bobbyptsd wrote:30% is so specific. Did you run it through one of those supercomputers the Dutch are so famous for developing?
We got nice servers, a nice network, things like that.
But not really nice computers actually, next to that, Bill Gates still dominates entire Europe when it comes to Microsoft software.
The reason we got nice servers is because the Netherlands is really crowded, we got 408 people on every square kilometer on avarage in the entire country, America for example got 32,5 people on every square kilometer on avarage.
That means that our internet is about 12 times as busy, so our netwerk should also be about 12 times as strong, just to simply keep up.
Now at moment most Dutch people don't use much internet (when they are asleep for example) the few people awake their internet is much more powerfull as the avarage American network.
The combination of how rich/poor a county is combined with the amount of people every square kilometer is about the keyword to countrys with fast internet, even countrys where you don't expect it from, like South Korea or Israel prove that.

When it actually comes to computers, the Americans and Japanese guys still beat the Dutch easely, simply because they have a far bigger budget, and are willing to use it.


It's just like rockets and stuff like that, in fact the Europe got a far better climate as America for it (never tornado's, never extreme temperatures), but we just don't use our budget for it. I even think America could consider starting their projects inside Europe, it would safe some money for them because of the better weather conditions.



The 30% is an estimation out of my head, but also based on recent history, take a look at Cunningham for example.
According to boxrec he's rank 5 of America, in fact, he never lost against any American at all (Mansour, Tarver, not just bums).
At the same time he lost against all the Europeans he ever faced, while only one of them ended in a KO loss.
Things like that prove it isn't just quality, but just the American/European style that makes the difference.
In fact European heavyweight boxers have far lower KOratings as American boxers, this is partly why the American heavyweight division is less predictable, they all go for the KO, unlike Europeans.
Also note, that Jennings for example has proved much more as Wilder has done at this point, for me Jennings is still the best of America at this point (and I'm keeping an eye on Washington for the future).

Jennings won against Artur Szpilka, who's a far better as any boxer Wilder ever faced, just like Mike Perez, especially at the time, and according to the rankings, so is Andrey Fedosev (because he fought a lot of experienced and active boxers).

Even Jason Gavern, one of the very few Americans with European boxing experience that fought Wilder, clearly gave Wilder a lot more problems as anyone ever expected, just watch that fight on youtube and note that this fight was done while he was out of shape and wasn't prepared for this fight. Eventually he actually wasn't really KOed at all, he was just tired and litterally gave the fight away (and that was just 3 fights ago!) and Jason actually had quite a bad record thanks to all the high level guys he fought.
Things like that prove for me that Wilder simply isn't ready for the top.

I've also seen the Duhaupas-Teper fight and Teper is ranked 8 at this moment according to boxrec, now if you watch the fight it's actually a really dirty ugly fight and Duhaupas really wasn't that bad.

As a latest thing, I'd like to say that Wilder really should watch out for hitting the wall.
Big, hard working guys without a gram of fat on their body (like Wilder during a long boxing match) can hit the wall, marathon runners often got this just before the finish, just look on youtube on "hitting the wall".
That was exactly what happened with Wladimir Klitschko in his younger years.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/7035
In his first lose ever, he was boxing a lot, remarkeble to see is that he was actually 7 pounds lighter as in his boxing match three weeks before.
Wladimir was probably ill just before the match, but felt ready for it anyway.
During the match he simply ran out of energy and lost the fight, you can still look the fight up on youtube and judge for yourself, he wasn't KO, he just forgot to take breakfast and couldn't stand on his legs any more after 20 minits of boxing.
Two months later, hist first match after, he gained 13 pounds again.

Against Brewster exactly the same thing happened, there are rumour that he was poisoned or something like that, but I think he was simply hitting the wall in that fight as well.

After Brewster Klitschko never used more energy as needed to win any of his rounds, he later said that Brewster was a turning point in his life for him.


Anyway, this is a thing that could happen to Wilder as well, for Duhaupas this chance is far lower, first of all because he fought more longer matches and is prepared for that, and second of all because he simply got a bit of fat on his body.


In the end, Wilder is longer, stronger, got bigger lungs, but no fat, less experience, isn't used to pointscoring instead of going for the KO, Duhaupas will show him an entire new style of boxing and despite Duhaupas is worser in every single way, he will still achieve the maximum result he got with his body.
Wow this guy is actually being SERIOUS.

Wilder isnt used to point scoring? Did you watch the Stiverne fight? He won the fight behind his jab exclusively. Duhaupas isnt even on Stiverne's level, IMO.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 17:21
by gilgamesh
I saw Duhaupas last time out where he got a decision that I didn't feel he deserved against Manuel Charr. I figure Wilder stops him in 5 or thereabout, and it won't be competitive at all.

It's the Heavyweight division so something unexpected is always a possibility, but I'd be very surprised if Duhaupas did anything of any real significance here.

Because Wilder's opposition has been so poor though Duhaupas is still probably the 2nd best fighter he'll have ever faced as a Professional. Which says more about Wilder than it does about Duhaupas.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 17:54
by Bobbyptsd
asdfjkl wrote:
Bobbyptsd wrote:30% is so specific. Did you run it through one of those supercomputers the Dutch are so famous for developing?
We got nice servers, a nice network, things like that.
But not really nice computers actually, next to that, Bill Gates still dominates entire Europe when it comes to Microsoft software.
The reason we got nice servers is because the Netherlands is really crowded, we got 408 people on every square kilometer on avarage in the entire country, America for example got 32,5 people on every square kilometer on avarage.
That means that our internet is about 12 times as busy, so our netwerk should also be about 12 times as strong, just to simply keep up.
Now at moment most Dutch people don't use much internet (when they are asleep for example) the few people awake their internet is much more powerfull as the avarage American network.
The combination of how rich/poor a county is combined with the amount of people every square kilometer is about the keyword to countrys with fast internet, even countrys where you don't expect it from, like South Korea or Israel prove that.

When it actually comes to computers, the Americans and Japanese guys still beat the Dutch easely, simply because they have a far bigger budget, and are willing to use it.


It's just like rockets and stuff like that, in fact the Europe got a far better climate as America for it (never tornado's, never extreme temperatures), but we just don't use our budget for it. I even think America could consider starting their projects inside Europe, it would safe some money for them because of the better weather conditions.



The 30% is an estimation out of my head, but also based on recent history, take a look at Cunningham for example.
According to boxrec he's rank 5 of America, in fact, he never lost against any American at all (Mansour, Tarver, not just bums).
At the same time he lost against all the Europeans he ever faced, while only one of them ended in a KO loss.
Things like that prove it isn't just quality, but just the American/European style that makes the difference.
In fact European heavyweight boxers have far lower KOratings as American boxers, this is partly why the American heavyweight division is less predictable, they all go for the KO, unlike Europeans.
Also note, that Jennings for example has proved much more as Wilder has done at this point, for me Jennings is still the best of America at this point (and I'm keeping an eye on Washington for the future).

Jennings won against Artur Szpilka, who's a far better as any boxer Wilder ever faced, just like Mike Perez, especially at the time, and according to the rankings, so is Andrey Fedosev (because he fought a lot of experienced and active boxers).

Even Jason Gavern, one of the very few Americans with European boxing experience that fought Wilder, clearly gave Wilder a lot more problems as anyone ever expected, just watch that fight on youtube and note that this fight was done while he was out of shape and wasn't prepared for this fight. Eventually he actually wasn't really KOed at all, he was just tired and litterally gave the fight away (and that was just 3 fights ago!) and Jason actually had quite a bad record thanks to all the high level guys he fought.
Things like that prove for me that Wilder simply isn't ready for the top.

I've also seen the Duhaupas-Teper fight and Teper is ranked 8 at this moment according to boxrec, now if you watch the fight it's actually a really dirty ugly fight and Duhaupas really wasn't that bad.

As a latest thing, I'd like to say that Wilder really should watch out for hitting the wall.
Big, hard working guys without a gram of fat on their body (like Wilder during a long boxing match) can hit the wall, marathon runners often got this just before the finish, just look on youtube on "hitting the wall".
That was exactly what happened with Wladimir Klitschko in his younger years.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/7035
In his first lose ever, he was boxing a lot, remarkeble to see is that he was actually 7 pounds lighter as in his boxing match three weeks before.
Wladimir was probably ill just before the match, but felt ready for it anyway.
During the match he simply ran out of energy and lost the fight, you can still look the fight up on youtube and judge for yourself, he wasn't KO, he just forgot to take breakfast and couldn't stand on his legs any more after 20 minits of boxing.
Two months later, hist first match after, he gained 13 pounds again.

Against Brewster exactly the same thing happened, there are rumour that he was poisoned or something like that, but I think he was simply hitting the wall in that fight as well.

After Brewster Klitschko never used more energy as needed to win any of his rounds, he later said that Brewster was a turning point in his life for him.


Anyway, this is a thing that could happen to Wilder as well, for Duhaupas this chance is far lower, first of all because he fought more longer matches and is prepared for that, and second of all because he simply got a bit of fat on his body.


In the end, Wilder is longer, stronger, got bigger lungs, but no fat, less experience, isn't used to pointscoring instead of going for the KO, Duhaupas will show him an entire new style of boxing and despite Duhaupas is worser in every single way, he will still achieve the maximum result he got with his body.
Good God man, it was a joke.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 20:53
by Like a Boss
Wilder 228.6 pounds. That is the second highest weight of his career. But near enough to what he weighed last fight and looked a bit on the slow side. Wilder seemed to be at his best when weighing about 10 pound less.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 26 Sep 2015, 08:25
by Tony1244
Bobbyptsd wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:
Bobbyptsd wrote:30% is so specific. Did you run it through one of those supercomputers the Dutch are so famous for developing?
We got nice servers, a nice network, things like that.
But not really nice computers actually, next to that, Bill Gates still dominates entire Europe when it comes to Microsoft software.
The reason we got nice servers is because the Netherlands is really crowded, we got 408 people on every square kilometer on avarage in the entire country, America for example got 32,5 people on every square kilometer on avarage.
That means that our internet is about 12 times as busy, so our netwerk should also be about 12 times as strong, just to simply keep up.
Now at moment most Dutch people don't use much internet (when they are asleep for example) the few people awake their internet is much more powerfull as the avarage American network.
The combination of how rich/poor a county is combined with the amount of people every square kilometer is about the keyword to countrys with fast internet, even countrys where you don't expect it from, like South Korea or Israel prove that.

When it actually comes to computers, the Americans and Japanese guys still beat the Dutch easely, simply because they have a far bigger budget, and are willing to use it.


It's just like rockets and stuff like that, in fact the Europe got a far better climate as America for it (never tornado's, never extreme temperatures), but we just don't use our budget for it. I even think America could consider starting their projects inside Europe, it would safe some money for them because of the better weather conditions.



The 30% is an estimation out of my head, but also based on recent history, take a look at Cunningham for example.
According to boxrec he's rank 5 of America, in fact, he never lost against any American at all (Mansour, Tarver, not just bums).
At the same time he lost against all the Europeans he ever faced, while only one of them ended in a KO loss.
Things like that prove it isn't just quality, but just the American/European style that makes the difference.
In fact European heavyweight boxers have far lower KOratings as American boxers, this is partly why the American heavyweight division is less predictable, they all go for the KO, unlike Europeans.
Also note, that Jennings for example has proved much more as Wilder has done at this point, for me Jennings is still the best of America at this point (and I'm keeping an eye on Washington for the future).

Jennings won against Artur Szpilka, who's a far better as any boxer Wilder ever faced, just like Mike Perez, especially at the time, and according to the rankings, so is Andrey Fedosev (because he fought a lot of experienced and active boxers).

Even Jason Gavern, one of the very few Americans with European boxing experience that fought Wilder, clearly gave Wilder a lot more problems as anyone ever expected, just watch that fight on youtube and note that this fight was done while he was out of shape and wasn't prepared for this fight. Eventually he actually wasn't really KOed at all, he was just tired and litterally gave the fight away (and that was just 3 fights ago!) and Jason actually had quite a bad record thanks to all the high level guys he fought.
Things like that prove for me that Wilder simply isn't ready for the top.

I've also seen the Duhaupas-Teper fight and Teper is ranked 8 at this moment according to boxrec, now if you watch the fight it's actually a really dirty ugly fight and Duhaupas really wasn't that bad.

As a latest thing, I'd like to say that Wilder really should watch out for hitting the wall.
Big, hard working guys without a gram of fat on their body (like Wilder during a long boxing match) can hit the wall, marathon runners often got this just before the finish, just look on youtube on "hitting the wall".
That was exactly what happened with Wladimir Klitschko in his younger years.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/7035
In his first lose ever, he was boxing a lot, remarkeble to see is that he was actually 7 pounds lighter as in his boxing match three weeks before.
Wladimir was probably ill just before the match, but felt ready for it anyway.
During the match he simply ran out of energy and lost the fight, you can still look the fight up on youtube and judge for yourself, he wasn't KO, he just forgot to take breakfast and couldn't stand on his legs any more after 20 minits of boxing.
Two months later, hist first match after, he gained 13 pounds again.

Against Brewster exactly the same thing happened, there are rumour that he was poisoned or something like that, but I think he was simply hitting the wall in that fight as well.

After Brewster Klitschko never used more energy as needed to win any of his rounds, he later said that Brewster was a turning point in his life for him.


Anyway, this is a thing that could happen to Wilder as well, for Duhaupas this chance is far lower, first of all because he fought more longer matches and is prepared for that, and second of all because he simply got a bit of fat on his body.


In the end, Wilder is longer, stronger, got bigger lungs, but no fat, less experience, isn't used to pointscoring instead of going for the KO, Duhaupas will show him an entire new style of boxing and despite Duhaupas is worser in every single way, he will still achieve the maximum result he got with his body.
Good God man, it was a joke.

Be careful what you ask for. :OhYes:

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 26 Sep 2015, 09:28
by Cutman Scabbers
TheBeast wrote:Duhaupas is better than Molina so i have a small hope that he lands the straight right quick behind a blinding jab...

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But Wilder is better than Duhaupas in pretty much every aspect... maybe just not experience and durability

You forgot one other aspect: chin. Duhaupas' is better.

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 26 Sep 2015, 10:23
by Freedom2013
Deontay Wilder reminds me of the fraudulent heavyweight in the movie The Harder They Fall (1956).

He rides around in a similar bus:

https://twitter.com/garnekmedia/status/ ... 2952253440

IMCDb.org: 1940 Flxible Clipper in "The Harder They Fall, 1956"

:lol:

Like Moreno in the movie, Wilder fights opponents who take dives (Malik Scott) or are completely shot (Lyakhovich) or journeymen who are no threat (Duhaupas).

Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Johann Duhaupas

Posted: 26 Sep 2015, 11:14
by Ilya Muromets
Freedom2013 wrote:...
Like Moreno in the movie, Wilder fights opponents who take dives (Malik Scott) or are completely shot (Lyakhovich) or journeymen who are no threat (Duhaupas).


That's what I'm afraid of, that D. will be getting paid to fall down. They want to protect their cash cow Wilder so that they can cash out with a big money fight with the real champ, and they know he's a fake, and the last tomato can looked like he was about to KO him until he backed off, and D. is a lot better than Molina. If the fight happens to be legit and if D. can avoid Wilder's big punch this could be interesting, but I don't think it will be legit. We'll see.