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Especially after he was FLATTENED by Hagler and Barkley.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Kalan wrote:I never said Barkley beat Hearns up...

Kalan wrote:
Iran Barkley WASN'T a superfighter and he beat Hearns twice with ease... .

oh dear, oh dear, silly kalan once more.

I consider it "with ease" if you FLATTEN a guy in only 3 rounds with a couple of nonchalant right hands... It was a right hand in the 3rd round for Hagler as well... He was just getting started if Hearns was capable of absorbing more punishment... But he wasn't... So it was relatively easier than expected

Counter-puncher wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I liked Sibson quite a bit too, part of a solid group of Middleweights at the wrong place and time.

His post-hagler interview was classic.

Hes got this, bemused smile on which sortof lights up when he's trying to express himself, 'nobody...nobodys ever done that to me...ive been boxing since I was eleven and nobody's done that to me...' He tries to encapsulate why hagler is so good and he struggles, he says 'hes got long hands,fast hands... Its not that he punches so hard, he just hits so...correct. I was.... I was well licked, by a master'

The combination of disbelief, admiration and honesty was fucken fantastic.

Kalan wrote:

littlepug wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:


Yes he's my favorite fighter, but Thomas Hearns wouldn't duck a 5 foot doorway.

Ha ha brilliant

Hearns ducked any tough guy who could hit a ton... starting with Mike McCallum

I wouldn't say McCallum hit a ton, barring the well timed punch on curry he generally "stopped" people where as Jackson would render them unconscious, and hearns ducked NOBODY !

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I liked Sibson quite a bit too, part of a solid group of Middleweights at the wrong place and time.

His post-hagler interview was classic.

Hes got this, bemused smile on which sortof lights up when he's trying to express himself, 'nobody...nobodys ever done that to me...ive been boxing since I was eleven and nobody's done that to me...' He tries to encapsulate why hagler is so good and he struggles, he says 'hes got long hands,fast hands... Its not that he punches so hard, he just hits so...correct. I was.... I was well licked, by a master'

The combination of disbelief, admiration and honesty was fucken fantastic.

LOL.. Hearns praises the "The Master" Hagler ... In the master's next fight he was taken 11 rounds by the crude swinging and hittable Mugabi... and in his next fight after that he was beaten by a Welterweight coming off a 3-year-layoff -- which was his 3rd defeat -- and he looked far from masterful.

What would they say about Triple-G if he lost his 3rd fight after drawing 2 -- after fighting once a year for 3 consecutive years -- and quitting Boxing at 32 rather than fighting some super tough young Middleweights??? ... Some of you haters would use terms other than "masterful"

That post you just quoted, kalan?

I was talking about Sibson.

Kalan wrote:Especially after he was FLATTENED by Hagler and Barkley.

You've got it wrong, what you mean to say is 'i was wrong to say Hearns ducked Benn'

Counter-puncher wrote:

Kalan wrote:Especially after he was FLATTENED by Hagler and Barkley.

You've got it wrong, what you mean to say is 'i was wrong to say Hearns ducked Benn'

Flattened is wrong too. Tommy never took a ten count.

The second barkley fight.....no ones mentioned this....tommy broke his right hand either in the 2nd or 5th ....after that he fights one handed...and still loses a very very close decision.....tommys hands ( hand actually) was blisteringly fast in this fight...and barkleys determination,strength and intimidation was at an all time high...

One of the 10 greatest fights we missed in the 90"s.....benn v barkley ....we sure as hell only saw half of it with it being stopped prematurely on the 3 knockdown rule...iran seemed to have warmed up recovered despite being knocked down again...

Hell benn v barkley 2 immediately after that would have been something.

Actually Benn should have been DQ'd... He hit Barkley as he was getting up... He fought the referee to hit him again... He hit him while he was down on all 4's... He was out of control and going apeshlt.

Yknow why benn was out of control like a wild animal ...kalan?

Fear....benn had hit Iran so fast so hard....he had really cleaned his clock....yet iran was fighting back hard...for once i agree with you benn shoukd have been warned for his fouls

Judah Ben Fur wrote:Yknow why benn was out of control like a wild animal ...kalan?

Fear....benn had hit Iran so fast so hard....he had really cleaned his clock....yet iran was fighting back hard...for once i agree with you benn shoukd have been warned for his fouls

i think i remember reading that Benn's gameplan going into the fight was to start cagy, you know, warm into the fight gradually, and in his words before the bell he see Barkley, this very big imposing figure opposite him, who cultivated a pretty mean persona, and the gameplan went out of the window in favour of 'just fuckin know 'im out, Nige'

also wasn't this the one where after the fight Barkley makes some kind of allusion to how it would have been different on the street (or words to that effect) and the bristling Benn says something like 'yeah, knuckles, no fuckin problem, any time mate'

i may have the wording slightly wrong but i am sure that was the basic gist.

Judah Ben Fur wrote:The second barkley fight.....no ones mentioned this....tommy broke his right hand either in the 2nd or 5th ....after that he fights one handed...and still loses a very very close decision.....tommys hands ( hand actually) was blisteringly fast in this fight...and barkleys determination,strength and intimidation was at an all time high...
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pretty sure the move up to 175 suited the huge Barkley very well, certainly his punch resistance was much better

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

Kalan wrote:Especially after he was FLATTENED by Hagler and Barkley.

You've got it wrong, what you mean to say is 'i was wrong to say Hearns ducked Benn'

Flattened is wrong too. Tommy never took a ten count.

They wave the count if you're FLATTENED!!!! ... Which is what happened when Barkley sent Hearns through the ropes... He was gone and the ref saw it.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote:Yknow why benn was out of control like a wild animal ...kalan?

Fear....benn had hit Iran so fast so hard....he had really cleaned his clock....yet iran was fighting back hard...for once i agree with you benn shoukd have been warned for his fouls

i think i remember reading that Benn's gameplan going into the fight was to start cagy, you know, warm into the fight gradually, and in his words before the bell he see Barkley, this very big imposing figure opposite him, who cultivated a pretty mean persona, and the gameplan went out of the window in favour of 'just fuckin know 'im out, Nige'

also wasn't this the one where after the fight Barkley makes some kind of allusion to how it would have been different on the street (or words to that effect) and the bristling Benn says something like 'yeah, knuckles, no fuckin problem, any time mate'

i may have the wording slightly wrong but i am sure that was the basic gist.

Yes thats exactly what happened at the post fight press conference.i remember hearing it on graham houstons old phone boxing news hotline

Iran wanted to continue the fight

Bob arum the money hungry man, really fed iran to the dogs....or gave him great opportunities ....depending on your viewpoint...

I tend to think overall arum did a great job for iran getting him fights with hearns,duran,nunn in quick succession followed by the van horn fight....BUT the benn fight was a terrible one for iran...inactive,coming off retina sirgery,and in with 1 of the fastest starting powerpunching wildman in world boxing...bad bad move style wise .....and it showed the quick start cost iran the fight even tho when it was called off iran seemed to have recovered

In 154 Hearns UD McCallum
In 160 Hearns SD McCallum
In 168 Hearns UD McCallum
In 175 Hearns by wide UD McCallum

Woldemar wrote:In 154 Hearns UD McCallum
In 160 Hearns SD McCallum
In 168 Hearns UD McCallum
In 175 Hearns by wide UD McCallum

I think it could go either way at 154-160lbs range limit.

I agree with the other heavier weights to favor The Hitman.

154... McCallum KO's Hearns in 3...

160... McCallum KO's Hearns in 3...

168... McCallum wins UD over Hearns

175... McCallum win UD over Hearns

Barkley also beat Hearns at 175. Hearns looked good against fluffy hitter Virgil Hill -- but a better puncher, Barkley, outpointed him. Hearns hated punchers

You hate logic. Dumbest pos ever,

Throughout the majority of their careers I would've favored Hearns by Decision. McCallum might've been able to take him if they'd fought in say 1993 or 1994 because I figure he'd have had more left than Tommy at that point and probably been able to take him, but as long as Tommy is at or near his best he outboxes McCallum almost every time.

SaadOff you use ZERO logic.. You work strictly off emotion and bias.. gilgamesh, Hearns didn't fight the Toney's and Roy Jones's.. Look what Toney did to Barkley and Barkley did to Hearns.. If a slow swinger who was easy to hit, such as Iran Barkley could deck Hearns 3 X, knock him out, and beat him twice -- a better boxer and sharper hitter would kill Tommy.

There was a fair bit written at the time, about McCallum fighting the big 4 (Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, Duran) and it's odd looking back that he never got to fight any of them. He certainly deserved a few decent paydays at the very least

p . apparently he was a bit of a handful to manage, which may have contributed to his lack of mega fights

Kalan wrote:Hearns hated punchers

Good point, that's probably why he couldn't handle Cuevas or Duran.

bollox wrote:There was a fair bit written at the time, about McCallum fighting the big 4 (Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, Duran) and it's odd looking back that he never got to fight any of them. He certainly deserved a few decent paydays at the very least

p . apparently he was a bit of a handful to manage, which may have contributed to his lack of mega fights

A lot has to do with timing and where the money was at. Duran skipped McCallum to fight Hearns, mainly because it was a big fight and McCallum wasn't that well known then. He was 21-0 but had only beaten one top 10 fighter (Kalule) at that stage, he certainly wasn't in the same category as Hearns, Duran, Hagler or Leonard. Leonard was retired (1st time around) and Hearns fought Hagler. By the time McCallum moved up to middleweight (1988 in a fight he lost to Kalambay), Hagler had retired for good and Hearns and Duran had rematches with Leonard. He was a great fighter though.

Yep, that about sums it up. He was pretty happy to get the Curry fight though