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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Leonard was totally outboxed in the early running by Tommy, and couldn't get near him for much of the fight, but when push came to shove, he turned on the pressure when Hearns began to tire, and battered him. .

IE, for the second half of round 6, the whole of rounds 7 and eight, round 13 and round 14.

I can't work out if you're agreeing with me, or having a pop, or maybe neither.

I am 100% agreeing with you. Leonard had to turn slugger to beat Hearns, the other chap saying he didn't go to war hasn't got a clue, its the only sensible reading of the fight

Counter-puncher wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

IE, for the second half of round 6, the whole of rounds 7 and eight, round 13 and round 14.

I can't work out if you're agreeing with me, or having a pop, or maybe neither.

I am 100% agreeing with you. Leonard had to turn slugger to beat Hearns, the other chap saying he didn't go to war hasn't got a clue, its the only sensible reading of the fight

Only way he could win. I'd consider hearns, and yeah i love him, the most impossible fighter to outbox in history.

Impractical Poster wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Yeah, he imposed himself when he had to, the thing is Floyd is the type that will only go for it like that if he has to. That I think has always been my problem.

The Floyd who mullered Corralles was a thing of beauty.

The Floyd who mauled Genero Hernandez for the SFW title is the Floyd I was super excited about.

Yes, because whilst he had pastry hands at that point Hernandez was still twice the technician and ring general Corrales would ever be.

Just rewatching some Floyd @130. That beautiful jab to the body, it really moved guys back a step at that weight. It put them on their heels at the higher weights but I just saw Coralles get bounced backwards twice in about 40 seconds with the jab to the body. And the way he could half-show a jab but whip a quick pivot through the left hook is just leakworthy, stroke my length all the way down the legs stuff.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Only way he could win. I'd consider hearns, and yeah i love him, the most impossible fighter to outbox in history.

Oh, indeed. I recall sending a mate an insane breathless drunken text saying just that, once.

I remember reading Hagler interviewed on the hearna fight and explaining his tactics, that he absolutely conceded before the fight he couldn't outbox Tommy, and as a younger dude less experienced at deducing these things I was a bit surprised, you know, Hagler being no mean 'boxer' himself, so him totally accepting he couldn't outbox Hearbs turned a light on for me somewhat. I was young and all the coverage we had.in the UK seemed to focus on was Hearns' punching power. But yeah, the dude to outbox Hearns? Not even sure sure sugar fucken ray could do it.

I am really no Flomo gaylord but the way he can throw a lead left hook and not get hit off it, repeatedly, is a thing to behold. Not sure I have ever seen anyone throw a lead hook quicker.

I think its because his body language for 98% or whatever of that punch shows jab the whole way, and the last 2% or whatever where it turns into a hook happens so so quickly that the move doesn't carry the same risk that it carries for mere mortals. I mean yeah I know thats basically doing it how it should be done, right? Its just, if it was easy, everyone would be doing it

Lol then he lands three consecutive lead right hands just to punctuate my little left hook rant

Counter-puncher wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Only way he could win. I'd consider hearns, and yeah i love him, the most impossible fighter to outbox in history.

Oh, indeed. I recall sending a mate an insane breathless drunken text saying just that, once.

I remember reading Hagler interviewed on the hearna fight and explaining his tactics, that he absolutely conceded before the fight he couldn't outbox Tommy, and as a younger dude less experienced at deducing these things I was a bit surprised, you know, Hagler being no mean 'boxer' himself, so him totally accepting he couldn't outbox Hearbs turned a light on for me somewhat. I was young and all the coverage we had.in the UK seemed to focus on was Hearns' punching power. But yeah, the dude to outbox Hearns? Not even sure sure sugar fucken ray could do it.

I'm old as dirt, Marvin was a master boxer, couldn't touch Tommy. I vividly remember in 82 when they were supposed to fight and the who was on HBO. Great concert, but laaaame.

Ha. Fortunately I am old enough at least to have understood the phenom I was watching when I saw Floyd @130. I just leaked a little bit over a lead left hook, again.

Counter-puncher wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Only way he could win. I'd consider hearns, and yeah i love him, the most impossible fighter to outbox in history.

Oh, indeed. I recall sending a mate an insane breathless drunken text saying just that, once.

I remember reading Hagler interviewed on the hearna fight and explaining his tactics, that he absolutely conceded before the fight he couldn't outbox Tommy, and as a younger dude less experienced at deducing these things I was a bit surprised, you know, Hagler being no mean 'boxer' himself, so him totally accepting he couldn't outbox Hearbs turned a light on for me somewhat. I was young and all the coverage we had.in the UK seemed to focus on was Hearns' punching power. But yeah, the dude to outbox Hearns? Not even sure sure sugar fucken ray could do it.

Not even sure sugar fucken ray Robinson could do it, I meant to say.

Impractical Poster wrote:I feel Mayweather should have nicked FOTY. But, I can see why people pick Fury as well. Wlad had been so extremely dominate for so long. I hate his style, but no one could beat him. You use the same excuse for Floyd... I don't really go for Floyd's safety first approach and lack of drama myself, but no one could beat him. So, since Fury is the first person in such a long time to beat such a dominate champion, most think he deserves the honor. Manny lost badly to JMM not too long ago. So, not dominate

However, I still think Manny is better scalp... But, I can still see why people pick Fury.

You, on the other hand, cannot see anything else other than your opinion and cannot get beyond your affection for Floyd. So, anyone who disagrees with you, you label as narrow minded, or idiots or what have you. It's what makes debating with you completely useless. You refuse to take any other account except for your own, no matter how flawed your take actually is.

When I referenced narrow-minded it was in regards to the criteria for awarding the FOTY title, sure Fury beat a Wlad who hadn't been beaten in like forever; I give him that but he also won a totally uninspiring match (not solely because of him, mostly Klits) facing a man who was much more "past it" than Packy and one that only throws one shot and then hugs you to death and yet Fury still didn't dominate him, knock him down or even hurt him severely and this is an old Wlad way past it, so in that sense I was calling the view of that award "narrow-minded". Floyd on the other hand totally dominated Manny, the same Manny that many (probably even you) said that would KO Floyd, now he goes on to whup your hero and you're here to throw salt because you're upset your boy lost and don't want to acknowledge the man who did it.

You on the other hand have came here to do no more than what you've been doing every since I've come back onto the scene and that is "TROLL behind me" in every post and surprise, here you are again misrepresenting what I stated.

Do yourself a favor so you can live a happier life, stop TROLLING me, block, ignore or whatever you want concerning me because honestly i do not have time to do nothing but discuss boxing here.

I have as much right to disagree and not catch flak for picking Floyd as one here does for picking Fury in that garbage bout against an over-the-hill Wlad that he couldn't do much with in the way of dominance or excitement so please go and Troll someone else.
Thanks.

Counter-puncher wrote:I am really no Flomo gaylord but the way he can throw a lead left hook and not get hit off it, repeatedly, is a thing to behold. Not sure I have ever seen anyone throw a lead hook quicker.

said the loser after spending his day jerking it to 130 pound Floyd.

caldo2025 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:I am really no Flomo gaylord but the way he can throw a lead left hook and not get hit off it, repeatedly, is a thing to behold. Not sure I have ever seen anyone throw a lead hook quicker.

said the loser after spending his day jerking it to 130 pound Floyd.

you complete me, caldo.