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Anzi wrote:Izuagbe Ugonoh 16-0, 13 ko's, born in Poland, residence Las Vegas, as fought several times in New Zealand, fast hands, athletic, throws plenty of punches, good movement, looks a handful, he would beat Parker now, his work rate would make it a good fight with Joshua. https://www.facebook.com/21377112229372 ... age_bubble

Does (or did) he not train aside Parker?

Horse wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:I agree that Haye needs to do more to earn his shot, probably needs to fight 1-2 top ten fighters, but we both know he won't.

Why should Haye have to prove himself more than the champion?

Because Haye is now the challenger. Joshua has a title. Haye wants a title therefore It's up to Haye to prove himself unless a voluntary defence can be negotiated.

Happened with Vitali years ago after a long lay off. Only thing is Vitali didn't waste everyone's time fighting bottom dwellers and just went straight in to a fight with Peter (who IMO is awful anyway).

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Anzi wrote:Izuagbe Ugonoh 16-0, 13 ko's, born in Poland, residence Las Vegas, as fought several times in New Zealand, fast hands, athletic, throws plenty of punches, good movement, looks a handful, he would beat Parker now, his work rate would make it a good fight with Joshua. https://www.facebook.com/21377112229372 ... age_bubble

Like the look of what I see there, high workrate, fast hands, and excellent punch placement. Would definitely like to see him get into the mix. Big unit too, but very athletic with it. Can see him going far, of course hard to base it on just a few clips, but offensively he looks better than Joshua to me, more variety, and better combination punching, also better balance.

I am impressed myself, he is in good shape as well, hate seeing these fat Heavyweights on the scene and his opponents are not all short fat boxers either.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Anzi wrote:Izuagbe Ugonoh 16-0, 13 ko's, born in Poland, residence Las Vegas, as fought several times in New Zealand, fast hands, athletic, throws plenty of punches, good movement, looks a handful, he would beat Parker now, his work rate would make it a good fight with Joshua. https://www.facebook.com/21377112229372 ... age_bubble

Like the look of what I see there, high workrate, fast hands, and excellent punch placement. Would definitely like to see him get into the mix. Big unit too, but very athletic with it. Can see him going far, of course hard to base it on just a few clips, but offensively he looks better than Joshua to me, more variety, and better combination punching, also better balance.

Lovely double/triple jab as well, don't see too many heavyweights, or fighters full stop using that these days. I'm very impressed.

Yes true and good technique, when he goes up and down.

Stuarty30 wrote:Because Haye is now the challenger. Joshua has a title. Haye wants a title therefore It's up to Haye to prove himself unless a voluntary defence can be negotiated.

I don't understand the logic.

Stuarty30 wrote:Happened with Vitali years ago after a long lay off. Only thing is Vitali didn't waste everyone's time fighting bottom dwellers and just went straight in to a fight with Peter (who IMO is awful anyway).

So what's your point?

Stuarty30 wrote:

Anzi wrote:Izuagbe Ugonoh 16-0, 13 ko's, born in Poland, residence Las Vegas, as fought several times in New Zealand, fast hands, athletic, throws plenty of punches, good movement, looks a handful, he would beat Parker now, his work rate would make it a good fight with Joshua. https://www.facebook.com/21377112229372 ... age_bubble

Does (or did) he not train aside Parker?

Yes, he was a kick boxing world championship gold medalist and European champion before took up boxing and he can dance too : https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 7HWWTKWwoA

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Because Haye is now the challenger. Joshua has a title. Haye wants a title therefore It's up to Haye to prove himself unless a voluntary defence can be negotiated.

I don't understand the logic.

Stuarty30 wrote:Happened with Vitali years ago after a long lay off. Only thing is Vitali didn't waste everyone's time fighting bottom dwellers and just went straight in to a fight with Peter (who IMO is awful anyway).

So what's your point?

You don't understand the difference between champion and challenger?

Wasn't a point per se it was just an example.

Stuarty30 wrote:Haye wants a title therefore It's up to Haye to prove himself unless a voluntary defence can be negotiated.

Boxing isn't about guys having to prove themselves any more, sadly.

Stuarty30 wrote:You don't understand the difference between champion and challenger?

What are you talking about?

Stuarty30 wrote:Wasn't a point per se it was just an example.

An example of what?

Klitschko didn't have to prove himself before getting his title shot after four years out, so why should Haye?

Riddick Blowe wrote:Boxing isn't about guys having to prove themselves any more, sadly.

You don't seem to think that Joshua needs to prove himself, so why do you find that sad?

Horse wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Boxing isn't about guys having to prove themselves any more, sadly.

You don't seem to think that Joshua needs to prove himself, so why do you find that sad?

Joshua will prove himself, you just have no patience.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:You don't understand the difference between champion and challenger?

What are you talking about?

Stuarty30 wrote:Wasn't a point per se it was just an example.

An example of what?

Klitschko didn't have to prove himself before getting his title shot after four years out, so why should Haye?

It's pretty simple. If a voluntary defence can't be negotiated then Haye being the challenger will have to prove himself by working his way in to a mandatory position.

Klitschko was champion in recess or some bollux like that but apart from that beforehand he was a dominant champion and didn't lose his title in the ring. He was also willing to take on the challenge of regaining his title on his first fight back. Haye was a flash in the pan at heavyweight and he's obviously not willing to take on that size of task just yet.

Haye has plenty to prove.

Stuarty30 wrote:Haye has plenty to prove.

Less than Joshua.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Haye has plenty to prove.

Less than Joshua.

AJ has plenty to prove as well yes. He's only at the start of his career. He shouldn't be champion and neither should the balloon he took the belt from. By the time he faces Parker it's looking like Parker might be the better prepared of the two having faced Takam and Dimitrenko. Especially if AJ faces Stiverne next and blows him away which I suspect he will.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Horse wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Boxing isn't about guys having to prove themselves any more, sadly.

You don't seem to think that Joshua needs to prove himself, so why do you find that sad?

Joshua will prove himself, you just have no patience.

Well if were being patient, why don't we wait and see if he actually does instead of claiming he will?

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Horse wrote:You don't seem to think that Joshua needs to prove himself, so why do you find that sad?

Joshua will prove himself, you just have no patience.

Well if were being patient, why don't we wait and see if he actually does instead of claiming he will?

Sorry, I didn't realise we weren't allowed to make predictions. Let's all just make threads about fights that have already happened, seems so much easier, that way everything is all confirmed and empirical fact, I bet you and Horse would love that.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Joshua will prove himself, you just have no patience.

Well if were being patient, why don't we wait and see if he actually does instead of claiming he will?

Sorry, I didn't realise we weren't allowed to make predictions. Let's all just make threads about fights that have already happened, seems so much easier, that way everything is all confirmed and empirical fact, I bet you and Horse would love that.

I don't think Horse can cope with the uncertainty of the future.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I don't think Horse can cope with the uncertainty of the future.

What's with you and your sad little digs at me?

Horse wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I don't think Horse can cope with the uncertainty of the future.

What's with you and your sad little digs at me?

It's a statement of fact Horse, I don't think you like anything that you can't tabulate and calculate from statistics, you're also incredibly pedantic, and you can never ever budge one millimetre from your position, it's like trying to derail a train from it's track with your head, totally pointless. It's pretty frustrating.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's a statement of fact Horse,

No, it isn't.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I don't think you like anything that you can't tabulate and calculate from statistics, you're also incredibly pedantic, and you can never ever budge one millimetre from your position, it's like trying to derail a train from it's track with your head, totally pointless. It's pretty frustrating.

Who budges from their position on here?

Two idiots state their opinion at each other a bunch of times until one of them gets bored. That's how it works.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Joshua will prove himself, you just have no patience.

Well if were being patient, why don't we wait and see if he actually does instead of claiming he will?

Sorry, I didn't realise we weren't allowed to make predictions. Let's all just make threads about fights that have already happened, seems so much easier, that way everything is all confirmed and empirical fact, I bet you and Horse would love that.

I have no issues with predictions, I think they're interesting if you include the reasoning behind them, I'm just not a fan of proclaiming predictions as facts.

Horse wrote:Two idiots state their opinion at each other a bunch of times until one of them gets bored. That's how it works.

It's sad how true that is.

Horse wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's a statement of fact Horse,

No, it isn't.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I don't think you like anything that you can't tabulate and calculate from statistics, you're also incredibly pedantic, and you can never ever budge one millimetre from your position, it's like trying to derail a train from it's track with your head, totally pointless. It's pretty frustrating.

Who budges from their position on here?

Two idiots state their opinion at each other a bunch of times until one of them gets bored. That's how it works.

Hahaha, you're just proving my point! Ok, it's a statement of opinion.

Actually I don't think that's a fair assessment, nor is everyone on here an idiot, people disagree on here and find common ground, this isn't the current scene.

Guys, can we please stop feeding the troll?!

Classic Horse one liners such as;

"No it isn't"

"Yes it is"

"What are you talking about?"

"I don't understand the logic"

You're not even making it hard for him

Rob3_142 wrote:Guys, can we please stop feeding the troll?!

Classic Horse one liners such as;

"No it isn't"

"Yes it is"

"What are you talking about?"

"I don't understand the logic"

You're not even making it hard for him

Maybe no one should talk to you.