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Kalan wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

Kalan wrote:
You can't time cycle a PED and be effective with it with random testing.. If you're taking Ostarine for any advantage for a boxing match it will show up as more than 1/10th of a nanogram in your tests.. There is nobody policing the police... Therefore if VADA claims to have found a 1/10 of a nanogram of Ostarine in a sample, there in no way for WADA or any other agency to prove VADA deliberately contaminated the test.. because such a small trace might test clear in any and all other tests.

One thing I'll give you is that nobody is policing the police. But then that's the case with any hierarchy. Who polices the police that are policing the police? What would really be a trustworthy system?

There is no system that is beyond corruption, but VADA stinks of corruption... They deliberately misrepresented Povetkin's PED tests for the Wilder fight for instance -- and along with the corrupt WBC they killed the fight... They may use WADA certified labs and collectors -- but it's 10 times easier to get certified as a sample collector than it is for an attorney to pass the bar exam for instance... and dishonest shyster lawyers are thick as fleas.

I don't think VADA misrepresented the Meldonium test, I think it was a genuinely confusing situation, which could have perhaps been handled differently (by which I mean better). Truth is, Povetkin can still be banned for the Meldonium positive, providing the excretion research indicates that he took the substance after 1 January. Athletes can still choose to serve a retrospective ban whilst the study was ongoing, and the WBC were well within their rights to cancel the sanctioning of the fight. At the time of the positive test, it was after the deadline for the minimum 1 microgram / mL, until they moved the goal posts and extended the deadline to September, as the excretion tests had not concluded.

In summary, it could have been handled better, but the sanction was the correct one. Whether the results of the test were manipulated is a different matter altogether, and one I guess we'll know the genuine truth of.

Rob3_142 wrote:
I think it is best you do a little bit of reading up on the subject of state doping in Russia, rather than just turning a blind eye to it. The government has already accepted that there are massive flaws in the system, with some officials admitting the offences, which even includes a few Russian whistle blowers. There's has been a comprehensive report compiled by Dick Pound which identifies the offences in great detail.

There are far more drugs - illegal - including wonderfully healthful god-given plants - AND prescription, the latter very often being much worse - in the USA than in Russia. The US media and the former Obama regime - and even these crooked sports outfits like Las Vegas VADA and the boxing alphabets - have been trying to start trouble with Russia as hard as they can. They are trying to restart the cold war if not WW3. Why?

Fantastic news. Am sure he will continue boxing but good to see the WBC and IBF drop him from their rankings.

x2x wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
I think it is best you do a little bit of reading up on the subject of state doping in Russia, rather than just turning a blind eye to it. The government has already accepted that there are massive flaws in the system, with some officials admitting the offences, which even includes a few Russian whistle blowers. There's has been a comprehensive report compiled by Dick Pound which identifies the offences in great detail.

There are far more drugs - illegal - including wonderfully healthful god-given plants - AND prescription, the latter very often being much worse - in the USA than in Russia. The US media and the former Obama regime - and even these crooked sports outfits like Las Vegas VADA and the boxing alphabets - have been trying to start trouble with Russia as hard as they can. They are trying to restart the cold war if not WW3. Why?

I'm not talking about boxing though, I'm talking about all sports. The IAAF have already placed a blanket ban on all Russian Athletes, and the IOC is taking into consideration the new reforms in time for the Winter Olympics.

Ruined 2 championship fights ...
Not even that good ...
Yeh, I guess he's due for a suspension.

To my fellow conspiracy fact finders,
I would say that the Wilder situation could have been suspect.
However, no one cares about Stiverne, they would have let him get beat.
Wilder could have ducked Povetkin forever because he could use the PED excuse.

Povetkin is a dick. Get over it.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Ruined 2 championship fights ...
Not even that good ...
Yeh, I guess he's due for a suspension.

To my fellow conspiracy fact finders,
I would say that the Wilder situation could have been suspect.
However, no one cares about Stiverne, they would have let him get beat.
Wilder could have ducked Povetkin forever because he could use the PED excuse.

Povetkin is a dick. Get over it.

Both Wilder, as well as Stiverne were the ones that ruined the championship fights actually.
Wilder simply never showed up and Stiverne avoided the fight at the last possible moment, claiming Povetkin did the same as he did, just with a medicine that had the weight of a bit of dust cutted into a million peaces.

Rob3_142 wrote:

x2x wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
I think it is best you do a little bit of reading up on the subject of state doping in Russia, rather than just turning a blind eye to it. The government has already accepted that there are massive flaws in the system, with some officials admitting the offences, which even includes a few Russian whistle blowers. There's has been a comprehensive report compiled by Dick Pound which identifies the offences in great detail.

There are far more drugs - illegal - including wonderfully healthful god-given plants - AND prescription, the latter very often being much worse - in the USA than in Russia. The US media and the former Obama regime - and even these crooked sports outfits like Las Vegas VADA and the boxing alphabets - have been trying to start trouble with Russia as hard as they can. They are trying to restart the cold war if not WW3. Why?

I'm not talking about boxing though, I'm talking about all sports. The IAAF have already placed a blanket ban on all Russian Athletes, and the IOC is taking into consideration the new reforms in time for the Winter Olympics.

I'm not talking about only boxing either, Rob, I'm taking about all sports, but even much more than sports. The US and the west are lately trying to start trouble with Russia everyplace, from the Ukraine (Vitali is deep in that) to Crimea to the middle east to all this idiot baloney about Russia hacked the election and pres. Trump is a Russian spy... and attacking Russian athletes too. As for IAAF, didn't you just ask above, who is policing the police? The former president of IAAF - another western outfit - is under numerous criminal corruption investigations, especially for covering up positive drug tests for money. I'm telling you this whole drug testing business is crooked, just like their so called war on drugs.

asdfjkl wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Ruined 2 championship fights ...
Not even that good ...
Yeh, I guess he's due for a suspension.

To my fellow conspiracy fact finders,
I would say that the Wilder situation could have been suspect.
However, no one cares about Stiverne, they would have let him get beat.
Wilder could have ducked Povetkin forever because he could use the PED excuse.

Povetkin is a dick. Get over it.

Both Wilder, as well as Stiverne were the ones that ruined the championship fights actually.
Wilder simply never showed up and Stiverne avoided the fight at the last possible moment, claiming Povetkin did the same as he did, just with a medicine that had the weight of a bit of dust cutted into a million peaces.

Pieces*

Wilder and Stiverne didn't avoid the fights, the WBC cancelled the sanctioning for them.

x2x wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

x2x wrote:

There are far more drugs - illegal - including wonderfully healthful god-given plants - AND prescription, the latter very often being much worse - in the USA than in Russia. The US media and the former Obama regime - and even these crooked sports outfits like Las Vegas VADA and the boxing alphabets - have been trying to start trouble with Russia as hard as they can. They are trying to restart the cold war if not WW3. Why?

I'm not talking about boxing though, I'm talking about all sports. The IAAF have already placed a blanket ban on all Russian Athletes, and the IOC is taking into consideration the new reforms in time for the Winter Olympics.

I'm not talking about only boxing either, Rob, I'm taking about all sports, but even much more than sports. The US and the west are lately trying to start trouble with Russia everyplace, from the Ukraine (Vitali is deep in that) to Crimea to the middle east to all this idiot baloney about Russia hacked the election and pres. Trump is a Russian spy... and attacking Russian athletes too. As for IAAF, didn't you just ask above, who is policing the police? The former president of IAAF - another western outfit - is under numerous criminal corruption investigations, especially for covering up positive drug tests for money. I'm telling you this whole drug testing business is crooked, just like their so called war on drugs.

You're absolutely right, there is numerous criminal investigations currently ongoing in regards to the former IAAF president, and rightly so. But I have a lot more faith in the new IAAF president, Seb Coe, and we're seeing a lot of policy reforms, which hopefully should take the sport forward, with a great deal more integrity.

There is clearly a great deal of history between the US and Russia, but Russia are in most parts designers of their own downfall. I don't know anything about the US election and Russia's involvement, as neither do you, while Crimea is completely off topic. But really this political mess has nothing to do with what we're discussing, and that is Russia's attitude to drug use. At the end of the day, there is an international code of conduct which every person wanting to compete on an international playing field must adhere to. Any athletes (or nations) not wishing to adhere to these policies are not welcome to compete. This is why Russia have been omitted from recent IAAF international events. There is still a toxic culture in Russia towards drug use, and from what I can see, they're a long way from reform. It would not surprise me if Povetkin holds the exact same values.

You may well believe that the political unrest surrounding the West and Russia is serving to influence the treatment of Russian athletes, but that sounds more like sympathy than considering the facts which are being presented. I wish I knew everything that is going on, but so far the evidence on show is so far suggesting that Russia is incredibly far from innocence. In fact I'm absolutely shocked that there is so much support for Russia's recent activity, and it being merely painted as politically motivated.

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Ruined 2 championship fights ...
Not even that good ...
Yeh, I guess he's due for a suspension.

To my fellow conspiracy fact finders,
I would say that the Wilder situation could have been suspect.
However, no one cares about Stiverne, they would have let him get beat.
Wilder could have ducked Povetkin forever because he could use the PED excuse.

Povetkin is a dick. Get over it.

Both Wilder, as well as Stiverne were the ones that ruined the championship fights actually.
Wilder simply never showed up and Stiverne avoided the fight at the last possible moment, claiming Povetkin did the same as he did, just with a medicine that had the weight of a bit of dust cutted into a million peaces.

Pieces*

Wilder and Stiverne didn't avoid the fights, the WBC cancelled the sanctioning for them.

No the WBC didn't, Wilder simply never showed up in Russia, so the WBC simply had no choice. Wilder was the one in charge, not the WBC.

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Both Wilder, as well as Stiverne were the ones that ruined the championship fights actually.
Wilder simply never showed up and Stiverne avoided the fight at the last possible moment, claiming Povetkin did the same as he did, just with a medicine that had the weight of a bit of dust cutted into a million peaces.

Pieces*

Wilder and Stiverne didn't avoid the fights, the WBC cancelled the sanctioning for them.

No the WBC didn't, Wilder simply never showed up in Russia, so the WBC simply had no choice. Wilder was the one in charge, not the WBC.

Haha, where are you getting this information from?!

WBC wrote:On May 13, 2016 [8 days before the bout - which he was at a training camp in Sheffield] VADA reported to the WBC that Alexander Povetkin’s anti-doping test that had taken from his April 27, 2016 sample pursuant to the WBC Clean Boxing Program yielded an adverse finding for the banned substance Meldonium.

In light of Mr. Povetkin’s adverse finding, the WBC took the following steps: In order to preserve the integrity of the CBP (Clean Boxing Programme) and on the name of safety, lifted the sanctioning of the Bout, which resulted in the Bout being suspended.

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Pieces*

Wilder and Stiverne didn't avoid the fights, the WBC cancelled the sanctioning for them.

No the WBC didn't, Wilder simply never showed up in Russia, so the WBC simply had no choice. Wilder was the one in charge, not the WBC.

Haha, where are you getting this information from?!

WBC wrote:On May 13, 2016 [8 days before the bout - which he was at a training camp in Sheffield] VADA reported to the WBC that Alexander Povetkin’s anti-doping test that had taken from his April 27, 2016 sample pursuant to the WBC Clean Boxing Program yielded an adverse finding for the banned substance Meldonium.

In light of Mr. Povetkin’s adverse finding, the WBC took the following steps: In order to preserve the integrity of the CBP (Clean Boxing Programme) and on the name of safety, lifted the sanctioning of the Bout, which resulted in the Bout being suspended.

From that pile of preposterus excrement housed betwixt his ears.

Tanzio wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: No the WBC didn't, Wilder simply never showed up in Russia, so the WBC simply had no choice. Wilder was the one in charge, not the WBC.

Haha, where are you getting this information from?!

WBC wrote:On May 13, 2016 [8 days before the bout - which he was at a training camp in Sheffield] VADA reported to the WBC that Alexander Povetkin’s anti-doping test that had taken from his April 27, 2016 sample pursuant to the WBC Clean Boxing Program yielded an adverse finding for the banned substance Meldonium.

In light of Mr. Povetkin’s adverse finding, the WBC took the following steps: In order to preserve the integrity of the CBP (Clean Boxing Programme) and on the name of safety, lifted the sanctioning of the Bout, which resulted in the Bout being suspended.

From that pile of preposterus excrement housed betwixt his ears.

Funny to see how remarkebly fast retards forget such things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjsk-T03vD0
"16 may 2016
Deontay Wilder Returns to Birmingham"

He was back in America at 16 may, probably already having the tickets back to America booked around 10 may ish, if not earlier. At 17 may the fight was postphoned.

asdfjkl wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Haha, where are you getting this information from?!

From that pile of preposterus excrement housed betwixt his ears.

Funny to see how remarkebly fast retards forget such things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjsk-T03vD0
"16 may 2016
Deontay Wilder Returns to Birmingham"

He was back in America at 16 may, probably already having the tickets back to America booked around 10 may ish, if not earlier. At 17 may the fight was postphoned.

You wanna choose your words a little more carefully dude. Considering some of the things you post, you don't see me calling you a 'retard', although the contents of your posts, your spelling and grammar suggesting that you're far from an objective or educated individual.

Secondly, what the hell has that video got to do with anything?

Finally, I copied and pasted exerts from a WBC statement. If you feel that information is inaccurate, then provide a counter statement, or some evidence to support that, than an erroneous YouTube link, with absolutely no relevance.

As far as I can tell, as was reported in ESPN, Wilder began travelling back to the US before the WBC's ruling, but after the publication of the positive Meldonium test. No boxer would be expected to step in the ring off the back of a positive test, and Wilder was well within his rights to cancel the fight. As I have already stated on numerous occasions, the circumstances surrounding Meldonium were far from crystal clear, and whereas I feel that both WADA and the WBC could have somewhat dealt better with this, the correct outcome was reached.

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tanzio wrote: From that pile of preposterus excrement housed betwixt his ears.

Funny to see how remarkebly fast retards forget such things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjsk-T03vD0
"16 may 2016
Deontay Wilder Returns to Birmingham"

He was back in America at 16 may, probably already having the tickets back to America booked around 10 may ish, if not earlier. At 17 may the fight was postphoned.

You wanna choose your words a little more carefully dude. Considering some of the things you post, you don't see me calling you a 'retard', although the contents of your posts, your spelling and grammar suggesting that you're far from an objective or educated individual.

Secondly, what the hell has that video got to do with anything?

Finally, I copied and pasted exerts from a WBC statement. If you feel that information is inaccurate, then provide a counter statement, or some evidence to support that, than an erroneous YouTube link, with absolutely no relevance.

As far as I can tell, as was reported in ESPN, Wilder began travelling back to the US before the WBC's ruling, but after the publication of the positive Meldonium test. No boxer would be expected to step in the ring off the back of a positive test, and Wilder was well within his rights to cancel the fight. As I have already stated on numerous occasions, the circumstances surrounding Meldonium were far from crystal clear, and whereas I feel that both WADA and the WBC could have somewhat dealt better with this, the correct outcome was reached.

Povetkin was innocent, and fact remains that Wilder simply never showed up in Russia, so the WBC simply had no choice.
The vid proves that Wilder was in America, even before the WBC made any statement at all.

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Funny to see how remarkebly fast retards forget such things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjsk-T03vD0
"16 may 2016
Deontay Wilder Returns to Birmingham"

He was back in America at 16 may, probably already having the tickets back to America booked around 10 may ish, if not earlier. At 17 may the fight was postphoned.

You wanna choose your words a little more carefully dude. Considering some of the things you post, you don't see me calling you a 'retard', although the contents of your posts, your spelling and grammar suggesting that you're far from an objective or educated individual.

Secondly, what the hell has that video got to do with anything?

Finally, I copied and pasted exerts from a WBC statement. If you feel that information is inaccurate, then provide a counter statement, or some evidence to support that, than an erroneous YouTube link, with absolutely no relevance.

As far as I can tell, as was reported in ESPN, Wilder began travelling back to the US before the WBC's ruling, but after the publication of the positive Meldonium test. No boxer would be expected to step in the ring off the back of a positive test, and Wilder was well within his rights to cancel the fight. As I have already stated on numerous occasions, the circumstances surrounding Meldonium were far from crystal clear, and whereas I feel that both WADA and the WBC could have somewhat dealt better with this, the correct outcome was reached.

Povetkin was innocent, and fact remains that Wilder simply never showed up in Russia, so the WBC simply had no choice.
The vid proves that Wilder was in America, even before the WBC made any statement at all.

Was there a clock on the screen, or a calendar in the background? No there was not. Therefore video = null and void.

Okay let's play devil's advocate. What makes you think Povetkin was innocent?

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
You wanna choose your words a little more carefully dude. Considering some of the things you post, you don't see me calling you a 'retard', although the contents of your posts, your spelling and grammar suggesting that you're far from an objective or educated individual.

Secondly, what the hell has that video got to do with anything?

Finally, I copied and pasted exerts from a WBC statement. If you feel that information is inaccurate, then provide a counter statement, or some evidence to support that, than an erroneous YouTube link, with absolutely no relevance.

As far as I can tell, as was reported in ESPN, Wilder began travelling back to the US before the WBC's ruling, but after the publication of the positive Meldonium test. No boxer would be expected to step in the ring off the back of a positive test, and Wilder was well within his rights to cancel the fight. As I have already stated on numerous occasions, the circumstances surrounding Meldonium were far from crystal clear, and whereas I feel that both WADA and the WBC could have somewhat dealt better with this, the correct outcome was reached.

Povetkin was innocent, and fact remains that Wilder simply never showed up in Russia, so the WBC simply had no choice.
The vid proves that Wilder was in America, even before the WBC made any statement at all.

Was there a clock on the screen, or a calendar in the background? No there was not. Therefore video = null and void.

Okay let's play devil's advocate. What makes you think Povetkin was innocent?

Maybe you should watch it and the facts show that Povetkin is innocent.

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Povetkin was innocent, and fact remains that Wilder simply never showed up in Russia, so the WBC simply had no choice.
The vid proves that Wilder was in America, even before the WBC made any statement at all.

Was there a clock on the screen, or a calendar in the background? No there was not. Therefore video = null and void.

Okay let's play devil's advocate. What makes you think Povetkin was innocent?

Maybe you should watch it and the facts show that Povetkin is innocent.

I did watch the video, that's why I am an a position to point out that the contents of the video are irrelevant to the discussion.

What facts?

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Was there a clock on the screen, or a calendar in the background? No there was not. Therefore video = null and void.

Okay let's play devil's advocate. What makes you think Povetkin was innocent?

Maybe you should watch it and the facts show that Povetkin is innocent.

I did watch the video, that's why I am an a position to point out that the contents of the video are irrelevant to the discussion.

What facts?

Wilder is in America, Wilder doesn't show up in Russia, how did he get a ticket back to America? Where is his ticket to Russia? Look at the date the vid is uploaded, Wilder knew everything beforehand and never planned to go to Russia at all.
You were the one wondering where I got that info from, that proves that Wilder was already going home before the WBC decided anything, well there it is.

asdfjkl wrote:Wilder is in America, Wilder doesn't show up in Russia, how did he get a ticket back to America?

I'm assuming he just purchased the ticket, like everyone else does when they travel abroad.

Where is his ticket to Russia?

This really is a silly question. Do you mean literally? Like which pocket on his suitcase? If they had planned not to travel to Russia, then why go to all the effort to fly out to the UK weeks in advance for a training camp if you're not intending to go the remainder of the way?

Look at the date the vid is uploaded

The video is uploaded on 16 May, they received the letter from VADA informing them of the positive test on the 12 May.They were scheduled to fly to Russia on the 14 May. They decided to fly back to the States instead.

Wilder knew everything beforehand and never planned to go to Russia at all.

You're speculating, this is not factual.

You were the one wondering where I got that info from, that proves that Wilder was already going home before the WBC decided anything, well there it is.

See above. The upload date for the video is irrelevant.

So once again, what facts indicate that Povetkin is innocent.

All part of wilders sly scheme to not make potentially 5 times his biggest purse, spending coin to acclimate to the time zone change and try to make the farce look moderately legit. The last hurdle was some more out of pocket cash to the wbc to convince them not to want their cut of over seven million. It hurts to believe there are 5 to 6 people this stupid and guillable on this site.

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Wilder is in America, Wilder doesn't show up in Russia, how did he get a ticket back to America?

I'm assuming he just purchased the ticket, like everyone else does when they travel abroad.

Where is his ticket to Russia?

This really is a silly question. Do you mean literally? Like which pocket on his suitcase? If they had planned not to travel to Russia, then why go to all the effort to fly out to the UK weeks in advance for a training camp if you're not intending to go the remainder of the way?

Look at the date the vid is uploaded

The video is uploaded on 16 May, they received the letter from VADA informing them of the positive test on the 12 May.They were scheduled to fly to Russia on the 14 May. They decided to fly back to the States instead.

Wilder knew everything beforehand and never planned to go to Russia at all.

You're speculating, this is not factual.

You were the one wondering where I got that info from, that proves that Wilder was already going home before the WBC decided anything, well there it is.

See above. The upload date for the video is irrelevant.

So once again, what facts indicate that Povetkin is innocent.

So he bought a ticket for the same day? That's amazing? How did he do that? In Europe, something like that is usually impossible, especially if you fly to a different continent, on top of that, where are the tickets to Russia? Also out of Europe, so booked earlier? Could you show me about those days? I wished I took more care of it at the time. I might check it some time soon if I have the time.
It was easely seen in Povetkin his samples when he used Meldonium, and everything seemed completely natural and perfectly fitted the story of Povetkin. Also, straight away the reason why Wilder knew beforehand that the fight would never happen, since the tests around the Wach fight proved Povetkin used Meldonium when he was allowed to.

x2x wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

x2x wrote:

There are far more drugs - illegal - including wonderfully healthful god-given plants - AND prescription, the latter very often being much worse - in the USA than in Russia. The US media and the former Obama regime - and even these crooked sports outfits like Las Vegas VADA and the boxing alphabets - have been trying to start trouble with Russia as hard as they can. They are trying to restart the cold war if not WW3. Why?

I'm not talking about boxing though, I'm talking about all sports. The IAAF have already placed a blanket ban on all Russian Athletes, and the IOC is taking into consideration the new reforms in time for the Winter Olympics.

I'm not talking about only boxing either, Rob, I'm taking about all sports, but even much more than sports. The US and the west are lately trying to start trouble with Russia everyplace, from the Ukraine (Vitali is deep in that) to Crimea to the middle east to all this idiot baloney about Russia hacked the election and pres. Trump is a Russian spy... and attacking Russian athletes too. As for IAAF, didn't you just ask above, who is policing the police? The former president of IAAF - another western outfit - is under numerous criminal corruption investigations, especially for covering up positive drug tests for money. I'm telling you this whole drug testing business is crooked, just like their so called war on drugs.

Dear god, when are you going back to the mothership

asdfjkl wrote:So he bought a ticket for the same day? That's amazing? How did he do that? In Europe, something like that is usually impossible, especially if you fly to a different continent, on top of that, where are the tickets to Russia? Also out of Europe, so booked earlier? Could you show me about those days? I wished I took more care of it at the time. I might check it some time soon if I have the time.
It was easely seen in Povetkin his samples when he used Meldonium, and everything seemed completely natural and perfectly fitted the story of Povetkin. Also, straight away the reason why Wilder knew beforehand that the fight would never happen, since the tests around the Wach fight proved Povetkin used Meldonium when he was allowed to.

Just so you know, I could buy a flight for in 2 hours time from Manchester, UK to Birmingham, Alabama for £550. Now I'm only assuming, but that would not be much of a problem for someone like Deontay Wilder. Just saying.

I have no idea what it is you're getting at. You want me to indicate which flights, and present the tickets as proof, out to Russia from the UK? His team indicted that they had planned to fly out from the UK to Russia on the Sunday (6 days before the fight), and they received the letter from VADA on the Thursday. I have already explained this to you. Please read what I'm writing, save me from having to repeat it further.

Can you re-word the sentence in bold? I have no idea what you mean.

And finally, the Marius Wach fight was in 2015. Meldonium was not banned in 2015. Your point of argument is redundant.

I beg you, please just try do a little bit of research before you type anything further. You'd save yourself a lot of embarrassment. Also, just read what I have wrote, and address each thing you wish to dispute. Otherwise we just will end up going round in circles.

Rob3_142 wrote:And finally, the Marius Wach fight was in 2015. Meldonium was not banned in 2015. Your point of argument is redundant

I proves that AP was using Meldonium when it was legal. Therefore he might still have a trace amount in his system to account for the so-called "positive" sample that was WELL under the concentration (999 nanograms) that WADA set for passing the test.. He tested at 70 nanograms on the test VADA flagged.