How is Golovkin is an ATG having never fought one

[Tanzio]

GGG paved the way for this Russian-ish invasion and it's absolutely incredible how far this kid has come with the odds stacked so heavily against him.

Forgetting something you voided bubblegum receipt? You know, those two not so tiny "Russian-ish" details.

The Klit bros paved the way for the "Russian-ish" invasion, caldohpuck, including the "Russian-ish" focus of your fanboy obsession.

In terms of Eastern Europe, the list of fighters that came before GGG is huge: Kostya Tzyu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Nikolay Valuev, Louis Kaplan, Benny Bass, Vic Darchinyan, Orzubek Nazarov, Artur Grigorian, Sultan Ibragimov, Vasily Jirov etc.

You're welcome.

Good omnipotent figment of my imagination, E-O, there is a difference between surveying the land, clearing the brush, scraping a dirt path, spreading gravel, and actually paving a road.

The Klit Bros paved the way.

[Enlightened-One]

Forgetting something you voided bubblegum receipt? You know, those two not so tiny "Russian-ish" details.

The Klit bros paved the way for the "Russian-ish" invasion, caldohpuck, including the "Russian-ish" focus of your fanboy obsession.

In terms of Eastern Europe, the list of fighters that came before GGG is huge: Kostya Tzyu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Nikolay Valuev, Louis Kaplan, Benny Bass, Vic Darchinyan, Orzubek Nazarov, Artur Grigorian, Sultan Ibragimov, Vasily Jirov etc.

You're welcome.

Good omnipotent figment of my imagination, E-O, there is a difference between surveying the land, clearing the brush, scraping a dirt path, spreading gravel, and actually paving a road.

The Klit Bros paved the way.

So are you saying that a former two-time undisputed/lineal world champion, former top-ten pound-for-pounder, former PPV star and current IBHOF inductee, like Kostya Tzyu, merely "surveyed the land", "cleared the brush", "scraped the dirt" and "spread the gravel"?

Either way, we’re both correct to challenge Caldo’s assertions about Golovkin paving the way for the “Russian-ish invasion”.

[Tanzio]

In terms of Eastern Europe, the list of fighters that came before GGG is huge: Kostya Tzyu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Nikolay Valuev, Louis Kaplan, Benny Bass, Vic Darchinyan, Orzubek Nazarov, Artur Grigorian, Sultan Ibragimov, Vasily Jirov etc.

You're welcome.

Good omnipotent figment of my imagination, E-O, there is a difference between surveying the land, clearing the brush, scraping a dirt path, spreading gravel, and actually paving a road.

The Klit Bros paved the way.

So are you saying that a former two-time undisputed/lineal world champion, former top-ten pound-for-pounder, former PPV star and current IBHOF inductee, like Kostya Tzyu, merely "surveyed the land", "cleared the brush", "scraped the dirt" and "spread the gravel"?

Either way, we’re both correct to challenge Caldo’s assertions about Golovkin paving the way for the “Russian-ish invasion”.

Tzyu was an obscure Australian immigrant for the majority of his career. I am sure there were kids who idolized him but nothing on the level of the Siamese Klit reign.

[Enlightened-One]

Good omnipotent figment of my imagination, E-O, there is a difference between surveying the land, clearing the brush, scraping a dirt path, spreading gravel, and actually paving a road.

The Klit Bros paved the way.

So are you saying that a former two-time undisputed/lineal world champion, former top-ten pound-for-pounder, former PPV star and current IBHOF inductee, like Kostya Tzyu, merely "surveyed the land", "cleared the brush", "scraped the dirt" and "spread the gravel"?

Either way, we’re both correct to challenge Caldo’s assertions about Golovkin paving the way for the “Russian-ish invasion”.

Tzyu was an obscure Australian immigrant for the majority of his career. I am sure there were kids who idolized him but nothing on the level of the Siamese Klit reign.

The Russian-born Kostya Tzyu was a world champion and also ranked in the pound-for-pound top-ten list before both Klitschko brothers had even turned professional. The facts detailed in the rest of my previous post remains accurate and unchallenged, such as competing in multiple PPV events.

Remember, the discussion needs to remain in context, since it’s not about who was the “bigger” fighter commercially, but more about *who* actually “paved the way” for the recent rise of Eastern European professional boxing, since I can't think of any boxers that were "bigger" or made a more significant impact on our beloved sport than Kostya Tzyu did before the ban of the pro-ranks was lifted from around 1992.

[Tanzio]

So are you saying that a former two-time undisputed/lineal world champion, former top-ten pound-for-pounder, former PPV star and current IBHOF inductee, like Kostya Tzyu, merely "surveyed the land", "cleared the brush", "scraped the dirt" and "spread the gravel"?

Either way, we’re both correct to challenge Caldo’s assertions about Golovkin paving the way for the “Russian-ish invasion”.

Tzyu was an obscure Australian immigrant for the majority of his career. I am sure there were kids who idolized him but nothing on the level of the Siamese Klit reign.

The Russian-born Kostya Tzyu was a world champion and also ranked in the pound-for-pound top-ten list before both Klitschko brothers had even turned professional. The facts detailed in the rest of my previous post remains accurate and unchallenged, such as competing in multiple PPV events.

Remember, the discussion needs to remain in context, since it’s not about who was the “bigger” fighter commercially, but more about *who* actually “paved the way” for the recent rise of Eastern European professional boxing, since I can't think of any boxers that were "bigger" than Kostya Tzyu before the ban of the pro-ranks was lifted from around 1992.

Wtfever, E-O, the Siamese Klit had far greater influence than Tzyu, who was one of my favorite fighters.

[Enlightened-One]

Tzyu was an obscure Australian immigrant for the majority of his career. I am sure there were kids who idolized him but nothing on the level of the Siamese Klit reign.

The Russian-born Kostya Tzyu was a world champion and also ranked in the pound-for-pound top-ten list before both Klitschko brothers had even turned professional. The facts detailed in the rest of my previous post remains accurate and unchallenged, such as competing in multiple PPV events.

Remember, the discussion needs to remain in context, since it’s not about who was the “bigger” fighter commercially, but more about *who* actually “paved the way” for the recent rise of Eastern European professional boxing, since I can't think of any boxers that were "bigger" than Kostya Tzyu before the ban of the pro-ranks was lifted from around 1992.

Wtfever, E-O, the Siamese Klit had far greater influence than Tzyu, who was one of my favorite fighters.

The Klitschko’s may have accrued more fame and generated more wealth than Kostya Tzyu did, but in terms of the pro-ranks, I believe that the Russian-born Aussie was the first fighter from Eastern Europe to make a significant impact on our beloved sport since the early nineties. He was also a PPV star, so there’s no point in claiming that he was anonymous and unheralded.

Our discussion is in the context of "paving the way", to make things easier for others... and Kostya Tzyu had gained international fame and recognition long before the Klitschko's did.

[Crease]

How is Golovkin is an ATG having never fought one

Well that's just untrue. Golvokin has proven himself to be the one of the best P4P fighters in the world and because of his fearsome reputation as a heavy puncher, there are many opponents who won't face him (Chris Eubank Jr, Billy Joe Saunders, Saul Alvarez).

It's not actually GGG's fault that people won't step up to face him. All Golovkin can do is just keep on doing what he's doing, staying active and busy, keep on defending his many belts and try to get another one (the WBO if Saunders would man up)

[Tanzio]

The Russian-born Kostya Tzyu was a world champion and also ranked in the pound-for-pound top-ten list before both Klitschko brothers had even turned professional. The facts detailed in the rest of my previous post remains accurate and unchallenged, such as competing in multiple PPV events.

Remember, the discussion needs to remain in context, since it’s not about who was the “bigger” fighter commercially, but more about *who* actually “paved the way” for the recent rise of Eastern European professional boxing, since I can't think of any boxers that were "bigger" than Kostya Tzyu before the ban of the pro-ranks was lifted from around 1992.

Wtfever, E-O, the Siamese Klit had far greater influence than Tzyu, who was one of my favorite fighters.

The Klitschko’s may have accrued more fame and generated more wealth than Kostya Tzyu did, but in terms of the pro-ranks, I believe that the Russian-born Aussie was the first fighter from Eastern Europe to make a significant impact on our beloved sport since the early nineties. He was also a PPV star, so there’s no point in claiming that he was anonymous and unheralded.

Our discussion is in the context of "paving the way", to make things easier for others... and Kostya Tzyu had gained international fame and recognition long before the Klitschko's did.

Nobody but the hardcore knew who Tzyu was before 2000.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nobody in the states ever watched that ppv star on ppv.

[Enlightened-One]

Wtfever, E-O, the Siamese Klit had far greater influence than Tzyu, who was one of my favorite fighters.

The Klitschko’s may have accrued more fame and generated more wealth than Kostya Tzyu did, but in terms of the pro-ranks, I believe that the Russian-born Aussie was the first fighter from Eastern Europe to make a significant impact on our beloved sport since the early nineties. He was also a PPV star, so there’s no point in claiming that he was anonymous and unheralded.

Our discussion is in the context of "paving the way", to make things easier for others... and Kostya Tzyu had gained international fame and recognition long before the Klitschko's did.

Nobody but the hardcore knew who Tzyu was before 2000.

"Nobody" at all, even in Australia?

So we’re talking about the same Russian-born Kostya Tzyu that was a world champion and also ranked in the pound-for-pound top-ten list before both Klitschko brothers had even turned professional?

The very same Russian-born Aussie who was the first fighter from Eastern Europe to make a significant impact on our beloved sport since the early nineties, when the ban of the pro-ranks was lifted from around 1992?

So you’re suggesting that the former two-time undisputed/lineal world champion, former top-ten pound-for-pounder, former PPV star and current IBHOF inductee, like Kostya Tzyu, merely "surveyed the land", "cleared the brush", "scraped the dirt" and "spread the gravel"?

Remember, the discussion needs to remain in context, since it’s not about who was the “bigger” fighter commercially, but more about *who* actually “paved the way” for the recent rise of Eastern European professional boxing.

Do you even know what “paving the way” means? If not, here’s an example:

Sidney Poitier served as a role model and was one of the first successful black actors that “paved the way” for other minority entertainers.

This doesn’t mean that Sidney Poitier should be proclaimed as the most “successful” or “important” black actor in history, but rather that his “success” made it easier for any actor of any race to become successful.

You can talk about the fame, the wealth and the viewing figures achieved by the Klitschko brothers all you like, but Kostya Tzyu was the first professional boxer from Russia that made a significant impact on professional boxing since the early nineties, to the point that he “paved the way” for other Eastern European fighters to achieve similar success.

[Tanzio]

The Klitschko’s may have accrued more fame and generated more wealth than Kostya Tzyu did, but in terms of the pro-ranks, I believe that the Russian-born Aussie was the first fighter from Eastern Europe to make a significant impact on our beloved sport since the early nineties. He was also a PPV star, so there’s no point in claiming that he was anonymous and unheralded.

Our discussion is in the context of "paving the way", to make things easier for others... and Kostya Tzyu had gained international fame and recognition long before the Klitschko's did.

Nobody but the hardcore knew who Tzyu was before 2000.

"Nobody" at all, even in Australia?

So we’re talking about the same Russian-born Kostya Tzyu that was a world champion and also ranked in the pound-for-pound top-ten list before both Klitschko brothers had even turned professional?

The very same Russian-born Aussie who was the first fighter from Eastern Europe to make a significant impact on our beloved sport since the early nineties, when the ban of the pro-ranks was lifted from around 1992?

So you’re suggesting that the former two-time undisputed/lineal world champion, former top-ten pound-for-pounder, former PPV star and current IBHOF inductee, like Kostya Tzyu, merely "surveyed the land", "cleared the brush", "scraped the dirt" and "spread the gravel"?

Remember, the discussion needs to remain in context, since it’s not about who was the “bigger” fighter commercially, but more about *who* actually “paved the way” for the recent rise of Eastern European professional boxing.

Do you even know what “paving the way” means? If not, here’s an example:

Sidney Poitier served as a role model and was one of the first successful black actors that “paved the way” for other minority entertainers.

This doesn’t mean that Sidney Poitier should be proclaimed as the most “successful” or “important” black actor in history, but rather that his “success” made it easier for any actor of any race to become successful.

You can talk about the fame, the wealth and the viewing figures achieved by the Klitschko brothers all you like, but Kostya Tzyu was the first professional boxer from Russia that made a significant impact on professional boxing since the early nineties, to the point that he “paved the way” for other Eastern European fighters to achieve similar success.

[Counter-puncher]

Nobody in the states ever watched that "ppv star" on ppv.

indeed. but lets not get carried away with that kind of nitpicking over inconvenient facts.....

[Enlightened-One]

Nobody in the states ever watched that "ppv star" on ppv.

indeed. but lets not get carried away with that kind of nitpicking over inconvenient facts.....

Are you saying that not one American human being has ever watched any of Kostya Tszyu’s PPV’s?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No human being ever watched a tszyu ppv in America.

[punchoutsb]

Ya'll forgot Alexander Zolkin

[MachoTime]

Vassiliy Jirov

[BAD INTENTIONS]

[To be somewhere around Froch, GGG needs to be widely outboxed by somebody while still being in his prime.

Me defending Froch

Froch got widely outboxed because he fought every fighter (his size) with multiple different styles.
He also fought in a peak era in his division, not during one of the depressions.

I, and a sizeable minority either scored the fight for Jacobs or concluded it was razor close, possibly decided in the 12th.
Based on that, I don't think GGG gets through Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson, Ward, and Bute better than Froch.

[caldo2025]

GGG paved the way for this Russian-ish invasion and it's absolutely incredible how far this kid has come with the odds stacked so heavily against him.

Forgetting something you voided bubblegum receipt? You know, those two not so tiny "Russian-ish" details.

The Klit bros paved the way for the "Russian-ish" invasion, caldohpuck, including the "Russian-ish" focus of your fanboy obsession.

In terms of Eastern Europe, the list of fighters that came before GGG is huge: Kostya Tzyu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Nikolay Valuev, Louis Kaplan, Benny Bass, Vic Darchinyan, Orzubek Nazarov, Artur Grigorian, Sultan Ibragimov, Vasily Jirov etc.

You're welcome.

There's hasn't been a Russian-ish boxer to ever reach the level that GGG is at right now so no one gets credit for paving the way for this kid. GGG is in unchartered territory right now. He's far more popular that the Kilts ever were. Those 2 cavemen have more praise then they ever deserved.

[Enlightened-One]

Forgetting something you voided bubblegum receipt? You know, those two not so tiny "Russian-ish" details.

The Klit bros paved the way for the "Russian-ish" invasion, caldohpuck, including the "Russian-ish" focus of your fanboy obsession.

In terms of Eastern Europe, the list of fighters that came before GGG is huge: Kostya Tzyu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Nikolay Valuev, Louis Kaplan, Benny Bass, Vic Darchinyan, Orzubek Nazarov, Artur Grigorian, Sultan Ibragimov, Vasily Jirov etc.

You're welcome.

There's hasn't been a Russian-ish boxer to ever reach the level that GGG is at right now so no one gets credit for paving the way for this kid. GGG is in unchartered territory right now. He's far more popular that the Kilts ever were. Those 2 cavemen have more praise then they ever deserved.

You used the term "paving the way" during your original claim, learn what it means, because it doesn't mean the "biggest" commercially or most "successful" sporting-wise.

In terms of basic English, your original claim was wrong.

Even if GGG is the biggest Eastern European boxing star right now, your original claim is still wrong.

Personally-speaking, I think you've accidentally misused a phrase in your original argument that you didn't quite understand, which we've all done at some point.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Forgetting something you voided bubblegum receipt? You know, those two not so tiny "Russian-ish" details.

The Klit bros paved the way for the "Russian-ish" invasion, caldohpuck, including the "Russian-ish" focus of your fanboy obsession.

In terms of Eastern Europe, the list of fighters that came before GGG is huge: Kostya Tzyu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Nikolay Valuev, Louis Kaplan, Benny Bass, Vic Darchinyan, Orzubek Nazarov, Artur Grigorian, Sultan Ibragimov, Vasily Jirov etc.

You're welcome.

There's hasn't been a Russian-ish boxer to ever reach the level that GGG is at right now so no one gets credit for paving the way for this kid. GGG is in unchartered territory right now. He's far more popular that the Kilts ever were. Those 2 cavemen have more praise then they ever deserved.

Cobblers. The klitchskos are huge stars all over eastern europe, russia and germany. Just because they didn't ever catch on in the US, doesn't make them small fry.

[caldo2025]

In terms of Eastern Europe, the list of fighters that came before GGG is huge: Kostya Tzyu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Nikolay Valuev, Louis Kaplan, Benny Bass, Vic Darchinyan, Orzubek Nazarov, Artur Grigorian, Sultan Ibragimov, Vasily Jirov etc.

You're welcome.

There's hasn't been a Russian-ish boxer to ever reach the level that GGG is at right now so no one gets credit for paving the way for this kid. GGG is in unchartered territory right now. He's far more popular that the Kilts ever were. Those 2 cavemen have more praise then they ever deserved.

You used the term "paving the way" during your original claim, learn what it means, because it doesn't mean the "biggest" commercially or most "successful" sporting-wise.

In terms of basic English, your original claim was wrong.

Even if GGG is the biggest Eastern European boxing star right now, your original claim is still wrong.

Personally-speaking, I think you've accidentally misused a phrase in your original argument that you didn't quite understand, which we've all done at some point.

GGG is in a position that no other Eastern European has been in before. Period. If no one has been there before and he's the first one to do it, inspiring kids growing up now that didn't think it possible, then he's paving the way. Why am i explaining this to you? I have no idea. There are little GGG''s all over the map right now and his popularity on a world stage is immense. If you don't understand that then you should probably not read anything i write because i'm not into explaining phrases to someone that appears to be a grown person.

[caldo2025]

In terms of Eastern Europe, the list of fighters that came before GGG is huge: Kostya Tzyu, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, Andrew Golota, Nikolay Valuev, Louis Kaplan, Benny Bass, Vic Darchinyan, Orzubek Nazarov, Artur Grigorian, Sultan Ibragimov, Vasily Jirov etc.

You're welcome.

There's hasn't been a Russian-ish boxer to ever reach the level that GGG is at right now so no one gets credit for paving the way for this kid. GGG is in unchartered territory right now. He's far more popular that the Kilts ever were. Those 2 cavemen have more praise then they ever deserved.

Cobblers. The klitchskos are huge stars all over eastern europe, russia and germany. Just because they didn't ever catch on in the US, doesn't make them small fry.

I'm talking worldwide popularity. GGG is at a level unreached by any Eastern European EVER. No one even comes close to what the kid is doing. I don't know why it's so hard for people to admit right now. Comparing what GGG is doing to anything the Klits have done in the sport is futile. It's not even remotely close.

[MachoTime]

When communism was lifted or defeated in Russia it was bound to happen. More Russian fighters turning pro.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If he's so windy popular how come so few people bought the PPV? I guess his popularity doesn't extend to people actually buying his fights.

[Tanzio]

There's hasn't been a Russian-ish boxer to ever reach the level that GGG is at right now so no one gets credit for paving the way for this kid. GGG is in unchartered territory right now. He's far more popular that the Kilts ever were. Those 2 cavemen have more praise then they ever deserved.

You used the term "paving the way" during your original claim, learn what it means, because it doesn't mean the "biggest" commercially or most "successful" sporting-wise.

In terms of basic English, your original claim was wrong.

Even if GGG is the biggest Eastern European boxing star right now, your original claim is still wrong.

Personally-speaking, I think you've accidentally misused a phrase in your original argument that you didn't quite understand, which we've all done at some point.

GGG is in a position that no other Eastern European has been in before. Period. If no one has been there before and he's the first one to do it, inspiring kids growing up now that didn't think it possible, then he's paving the way. Why am i explaining this to you? I have no idea. There are little GGG''s all over the map right now and his popularity on a world stage is immense. If you don't understand that then you should probably not read anything i write because i'm not into explaining phrases to someone that appears to be a grown person.

You are also obviously "not into" verifying your own claims, understanding what you are saying, or learning how to communicate more accurately. You are clearly the "don't confuse me with facts, I think therefore I know" brand of vacuum, caldOHm.

The Siamese Klit are the builders of the infrastucture that post Soviet Bloc boxers utilize today. There were boxers that preceded them but they are the prime contractors of the edifice.