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Autobarn wrote:Fury v Chisora one was a really good heavyweight fight in which Fury was hurt. That said I had him clearly ahead. Far fewer problems in fight two.

He wasn't hurt. The second fight he never even got hit.

mickey1975 wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Fury v Chisora one was a really good heavyweight fight in which Fury was hurt. That said I had him clearly ahead. Far fewer problems in fight two.

He wasn't hurt. The second fight he never even got hit.

The second fight was as bad as iv'e seen Chisora dominated .

Even when he got stopped by Haye he at least landed a few .

Is Klitschko old already?

boxingknockout wrote:New rumours that Okolie knocked Joshua down heavily in sparring... as well as Dubois.

I don't know if I believe all these rumours - yes Joshua has been hurt in Ams and Whyte stunned him, but he didn't strike me as a chinny fighter. Surely all these rumours - Price, Okolie, Dubois can't all be BS?

I think there is reason to be concerned. He has shown that he can be wobbled, as we saw against a pretty raw Whyte. And in order to be at the top, you do have to absorb a bit of punishment. He might be able to protect his chin, but against the likes of Wilder, not sure that'll be easy. Think it would have to be a stellar defensive performance to avoid Wilder for 12.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Moe6cA4eJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNAs5yNf2nQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUfTT2a4_84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYobxhP-MOA

wesshaw1985 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REighg-DWbw

Footwear can play a factor but is Joshua not s tall as billed? Fattest I've seen Wlad in the face, all relative naturally.

I think Wlad can pull it off. All he has to do is time Joshua a few times and he'll be all over the gaff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8DZDDZj-pg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNaGLvMDgZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqw0Un7B264

dirk's posts in this thread have been spot on. I'm a fan.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Wlad doesn't fare well against live bodies, as history has shown us

Povetkin? Pulev?

Come on Keith, you know as much as anyone that Wlad had to grab on for his life vs Pov because he had no clue what to do on the inside. As per his whole career.

Get a competent ref in who warns Wlad about excessive holding, and Povetkin can work on the inside, Alex would have landed some shots there. Not saying he would have won but he could have landed shots when he muscled his way in (which he was able to do frequently) and given himself way more of a chance.

Povetkin is decent but he wouldn't have proved a major challenge for the true all-time greats. Most would have him out of there inside the distance, no octopus impression necessary. And this is arguably Wlad's best win

Face in the air no head movement Pulev? Probably a top 20-25 heavyweight in another HW era. Well done Wlad.

Just for some fun anyone want to take me up on the over/under 5 right hands thrown in the entire Joshua fight for Wlad? I'm saying under, obviously. We could even set it at 3.

Riddick Blowe wrote:dirk's posts in this thread have been spot on. I'm a fan.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Wlad doesn't fare well against live bodies, as history has shown us

Povetkin? Pulev?

Come on Keith, you know as much as anyone that Wlad had to grab on for his life vs Pov because he had no clue what to do on the inside. As per his whole career.

Get a competent ref in who warns Wlad about excessive holding, and Povetkin can work on the inside, Alex would have landed some shots there. Not saying he would have won but he could have landed shots when he muscled his way in (which he was able to do frequently) and given himself way more of a chance.

Povetkin is decent but he wouldn't have proved a major challenge for the true all-time greats. Most would have him out of there inside the distance, no octopus impression necessary. And this is arguably Wlad's best win

Face in the air no head movement Pulev? Probably a top 20-25 heavyweight in another HW era. Well done Wlad.

Just for some fun anyone want to take me up on the over/under 5 right hands thrown in the entire Joshua fight for Wlad? I'm saying under, obviously. We could even set it at 3.

Klitschko is more likely to throw himself into clinches than he is to throw any right hands. Just as he did all night vs Povetkin. Too bad he's not the house fighter anymore - Sugar Humble's gonna make sauerkraut out of him.

Ortiz wants the winner - http://www.BS.com/luis-ortiz-f ... xt--115139

Betting Odds -

Joshua - 10/21
Draw - 40/1
Klitschko - 41/19

mickey1975 wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Fury v Chisora one was a really good heavyweight fight in which Fury was hurt. That said I had him clearly ahead. Far fewer problems in fight two.

He wasn't hurt. The second fight he never even got hit.

the hell he wasn't. Round 2.

wesshaw1985 wrote:Ortiz wants the winner - http://www.BS.com/luis-ortiz-f ... xt--115139

I'm sure he does, doubt he gets it though.

wesshaw1985 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJVz5xrIiV4

God, what a terrible piece of work, I can't stand this sort of sloppy shite, masquerading as some form of journalism.

Rob3_142 wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:New rumours that Okolie knocked Joshua down heavily in sparring... as well as Dubois.

I don't know if I believe all these rumours - yes Joshua has been hurt in Ams and Whyte stunned him, but he didn't strike me as a chinny fighter. Surely all these rumours - Price, Okolie, Dubois can't all be BS?

I think there is reason to be concerned. He has shown that he can be wobbled, as we saw against a pretty raw Whyte. And in order to be at the top, you do have to absorb a bit of punishment. He might be able to protect his chin, but against the likes of Wilder, not sure that'll be easy. Think it would have to be a stellar defensive performance to avoid Wilder for 12.

Really? Joshua will flatten Wilder in short order. Wilder is crap.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:New rumours that Okolie knocked Joshua down heavily in sparring... as well as Dubois.

I don't know if I believe all these rumours - yes Joshua has been hurt in Ams and Whyte stunned him, but he didn't strike me as a chinny fighter. Surely all these rumours - Price, Okolie, Dubois can't all be BS?

I think there is reason to be concerned. He has shown that he can be wobbled, as we saw against a pretty raw Whyte. And in order to be at the top, you do have to absorb a bit of punishment. He might be able to protect his chin, but against the likes of Wilder, not sure that'll be easy. Think it would have to be a stellar defensive performance to avoid Wilder for 12.

Really? Joshua will flatten Wilder in short order. Wilder is crap.

such confidence in Joshua is unfounded.
Its a pick'em fight at the moment. Feel free to discuss AJ/Wilder more here - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=207581
If Joshua beats Klitschko here then that all changes...

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:New rumours that Okolie knocked Joshua down heavily in sparring... as well as Dubois.

I don't know if I believe all these rumours - yes Joshua has been hurt in Ams and Whyte stunned him, but he didn't strike me as a chinny fighter. Surely all these rumours - Price, Okolie, Dubois can't all be BS?

I think there is reason to be concerned. He has shown that he can be wobbled, as we saw against a pretty raw Whyte. And in order to be at the top, you do have to absorb a bit of punishment. He might be able to protect his chin, but against the likes of Wilder, not sure that'll be easy. Think it would have to be a stellar defensive performance to avoid Wilder for 12.

Really? Joshua will flatten Wilder in short order. Wilder is crap.

Agreed that's poor logic to make a prediction. Wilder has been wobbled on more occasions and his legs haven't just gone heavy like AJ, they've gone pure jelly. Wilder has been in real trouble.

Add into the fact that AJ performs much more dominantly than Wilder. I'd say wilder punches harder but AJ puts them together better. Wilder could land a looping right and out AJ down. But the % prediction is that the better boxer, AJ, his straight fast punches land quicker than wide looping rights. If wilder throws that punch he is wide open, and AJ unlike Wilders previous opponents has the skill set to beat him to the punch and he's a killer when his opponent is hurt

wesshaw1985 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
I think there is reason to be concerned. He has shown that he can be wobbled, as we saw against a pretty raw Whyte. And in order to be at the top, you do have to absorb a bit of punishment. He might be able to protect his chin, but against the likes of Wilder, not sure that'll be easy. Think it would have to be a stellar defensive performance to avoid Wilder for 12.

Really? Joshua will flatten Wilder in short order. Wilder is crap.

such confidence in Joshua is unfounded.
Its a pick'em fight at the moment. Feel free to discuss AJ/Wilder more here - http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=207581
If Joshua beats Klitschko here then that all changes...

It's a pick em but if anyone says it's a 50/50 for who lands first etc type thing, is seeing something in wilder I dont

Ossyrules wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
I think there is reason to be concerned. He has shown that he can be wobbled, as we saw against a pretty raw Whyte. And in order to be at the top, you do have to absorb a bit of punishment. He might be able to protect his chin, but against the likes of Wilder, not sure that'll be easy. Think it would have to be a stellar defensive performance to avoid Wilder for 12.

Really? Joshua will flatten Wilder in short order. Wilder is crap.

Agreed that's poor logic to make a prediction. Wilder has been wobbled on more occasions and his legs haven't just gone heavy like AJ, they've gone pure jelly. Wilder has been in real trouble.

Add into the fact that AJ performs much more dominantly than Wilder. I'd say wilder punches harder but AJ puts them together better. Wilder could land a looping right and out AJ down. But the % prediction is that the better boxer, AJ, his straight fast punches land quicker than wide looping rights. If wilder throws that punch he is wide open, and AJ unlike Wilders previous opponents has the skill set to beat him to the punch and he's a killer when his opponent is hurt

wilder's got the punching technique of curtley ambrose in full pelt, Joshua's straight shots will get there first, and it will be goodnight vienna.

"The likes of wilder"

Wilder is terrible

Spzilka gave Wilder some big problems and reckoned that Povetkin would wallop him.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:New rumours that Okolie knocked Joshua down heavily in sparring... as well as Dubois.

I don't know if I believe all these rumours - yes Joshua has been hurt in Ams and Whyte stunned him, but he didn't strike me as a chinny fighter. Surely all these rumours - Price, Okolie, Dubois can't all be BS?

I think there is reason to be concerned. He has shown that he can be wobbled, as we saw against a pretty raw Whyte. And in order to be at the top, you do have to absorb a bit of punishment. He might be able to protect his chin, but against the likes of Wilder, not sure that'll be easy. Think it would have to be a stellar defensive performance to avoid Wilder for 12.

Really? Joshua will flatten Wilder in short order. Wilder is crap.

Well I'm not so sure. I can obviously make compelling arguments for Joshua, but they're only arguments for. Wilder's defence is pretty terrible, so he does take shots, but as far as I understand it he hasn't tasted the canvas so far. If I had a gun put to my head I would still back Joshua, but Wilder is an enigma. He at least has taken shots, which Joshua just has not.