Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

[gilgamesh]

I think Joshua would struggle to land a single glove on Fury

It amazes me how you guys act as if Fury is some sort of defensive genius when his only accomplishment in this regard is being in a fight once where the guy didn't throw punches at him.

[candyslim]

A number of considerably weaker opponents than Joshua have not found Fury impossible to hit.

At his best he's mobile, tricky, and elusive, and Joshua would find it hard to pin him down, but AJ is not your common or garden heavyweight.

He would solve the problems Fury set him, and I am fairly confident he'd find a way to beat him, most likely involving walking him down and hammering him with body shots.

[Oiky]

I think Fury would get to Joshua with body shots first

Wlad has never been a big body puncher I know but he really missed a trick by not body punching Joshua, especially when he was breathing heavy, a body shot wouldlve folded him!

Fury punches in a decent variety & he would work Joshua's body with shots, Joshua hated Whytes body work & if the Wlad fight is anything to go by by the way he was breathing (although some are suggesting he wasn't gassed ) then a well placed bodyshot would get someone the beating of Joshua

Don't think Joshua would walk down Fury at all

[Ossyrules]

I think Fury would get to Joshua with body shots first

Wlad has never been a big body puncher I know but he really missed a trick by not body punching Joshua, especially when he was breathing heavy, a body shot wouldlve folded him!

Fury punches in a decent variety & he would work Joshua's body with shots, Joshua hated Whytes body work & if the Wlad fight is anything to go by by the way he was breathing (although some are suggesting he wasn't gassed ) then a well placed bodyshot would get someone the beating of Joshua

Don't think Joshua would walk down Fury at all

Fury doesn't have the fire power to get Joshua's respect. If he's hoping to wear Joshua down, it'll be from Joshua not pacing himself when trying to stop fury, not from fury working him over. Furys right hand isn't big enough for Joshua to worry about what is coming his way. Wlads was

Anyway there's only one guy holding this match up so we can find out. So until fury gets his act together he's as good as bottled this fight

[candyslim]

I can't really disagree with that.

[Oiky]

I think Fury would get to Joshua with body shots first

Wlad has never been a big body puncher I know but he really missed a trick by not body punching Joshua, especially when he was breathing heavy, a body shot wouldlve folded him!

Fury punches in a decent variety & he would work Joshua's body with shots, Joshua hated Whytes body work & if the Wlad fight is anything to go by by the way he was breathing (although some are suggesting he wasn't gassed ) then a well placed bodyshot would get someone the beating of Joshua

Don't think Joshua would walk down Fury at all

Fury doesn't have the fire power to get Joshua's respect. If he's hoping to wear Joshua down, it'll be from Joshua not pacing himself when trying to stop fury, not from fury working him over. Furys right hand isn't big enough for Joshua to worry about what is coming his way. Wlads was

Anyway there's only one guy holding this match up so we can find out. So until fury gets his act together he's as good as bottled this fight

not if he is headhunting he doesn't. But even from a non-puncher, an accurate bodyshot at the right time, can knock the wind out of your sails & if someone keeps working the body it can lead to all kinds of issues & possible loss of a bout.

Especially if you are about to throw a shot yourself & your breathing out & you get a shot fired into your body, even from a complete non-entity in the head punching department it can do you some damage

Fury is never going to KO Joshua by punching to the head

Fury is currently training daily so I believe he is on the rd to this fight happening

[candyslim]

Sure hope you're right about that Oiky (Fury on his way back)

[Rob3_142]

I think Fury would get to Joshua with body shots first

Wlad has never been a big body puncher I know but he really missed a trick by not body punching Joshua, especially when he was breathing heavy, a body shot wouldlve folded him!

Fury punches in a decent variety & he would work Joshua's body with shots, Joshua hated Whytes body work & if the Wlad fight is anything to go by by the way he was breathing (although some are suggesting he wasn't gassed ) then a well placed bodyshot would get someone the beating of Joshua

Don't think Joshua would walk down Fury at all

I think this is a slight exaggeration.

[Kalan]

I think Joshua would struggle to land a single glove on Fury

It amazes me how you guys act as if Fury is some sort of defensive genius when his only accomplishment in this regard is being in a fight once where the guy didn't throw punches at him.

Why didn't Wlad throw punches at Fury??? Was he determined to dump the Heavyweight Championship he treasured so dearly??? Or did he have immense trouble landing clean punches on Fury and would get punched in the face whenever he tried??? Don't underrate Tyson Fury's defensive skills and instincts. Chisora was like a blind man throwing punches in the dark at Fury for all the effectiveness he had. Chisora DID land good shots on Whyte, who's not a bad defender.

[Kalan]

Just my observation of Fury's raw talent from watching him frustrate Klitschko and Chisora -- if the idiot got his act together he'd be damned good.

Of course you could say that about Buster Douglas or any number of promising Heavyweights who never got their sh!t together

[Oiky]

100% agree with Kalan

[Badhusker]

Some of you here are as pathetic as Fury himself. The guy is a disgrace to boxing, and humanity over-all. I think about as much about those who back him as I do him, and I doubt if I am alone. The only guy that comes to mind that is a more worthless piece of shit as a human being is the guy that he is named after - Mike Tyson. If you have to ask me why, either you are too young or too stupid to get it.....or both.

[candyslim]

I get it bh you don't like him, but his value as a human being isn't the question, it's whether (assuming he can be the force he was two years ago, which is hardly a forgone conclusion) he would be a dangerous opponent (in the sense of having the potential to beat him) for Anthony Joshua, and I think anyone who refuses to acknowledge that a peak Fury would be among Joshua's most formidable potential adversaries, doesn't want to see the obvious or won't allow himself/herself to.

[Kalan]

Fury could still be a positive for Boxing. Everyone has personal problems they have to work on. None of us are perfect. There's no reason why he can't shake his demons and emerge stronger and better as a person and a boxer. He achieved a rare status and could make it back there.

So did Mike Tyson. You have to respect Mike Tyson for winning the Heavyweight Title and becoming the face of Boxing. Few achieve what he has and he seems to be in a pretty good place right now. He has a lot of friends helping him out, like Schmeling helped Louis out. Mike is still loved by many.

[candyslim]

Well said that man

[caldo2025]

What is the infatuation with Tyson Fury with Europeans? I don't get it at all. Yes, he's got charisma and he is somewhat entertaining like a juggling clown. But how can there seriously be this many comments about Fury and Joshua? Who the HELL wants to see Fury fight again after that debacle against WK? That was BY FAR, THE WORST title fight i've seen in my 35 years of watching the sport.

To that end, Fury is an absolute embarrassment to the sport, the Irish and former prestigious champions that held those belts around their waists. This joke won one boring ass fight and got stripped....STRIPPED... of his titles for being unfit to proceed as champion. It doesn't get any worse than that to me. Not even one defense? Why would anyone waste their time supporting someone like this that doesn't nearly deserve it is beyond me. DISGRACE. I'd never give this guy a contract to fight if i'm a promotor. The odds are, he's not going to make it that night to the arena.

[candyslim]

Like it or not he is champion by line of succession and has not been beaten. I wouldn't initially have denied the possibility that his problems were tactical i.e. an attempt to circumvent the problems with UKAD etc, but it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. He beat Wlad fair and square and stood a very decent chance of repeating that feat and making vast sums of money in the process win or lose.

No, it seems clear that he is suffering from depression and/or other form(s) of mental illness. Surely we are not so heartless as to despise a man because of it, are we Caldo?

I grant you it was a dull fight but Fury did beat the man who has dominated the most important division in boxing for pretty much the whole of this current millennium. That was a hell of an achievement. If he can get back to what he was, he has the equipment to beat most of the world's top heavyweights and give a severe test to those he cannot. Even disregarding his entertainment value and his charisma, the bottom line is that the guy has been a force in the division and can be again ... maybe.

[Rob3_142]

I'm a bit more with Caldo here than Candy.

I think there is definitely a sense of bias here in the UK, and can imagine many from out of the UK can't understand the hype.

Tyson Fury has never been a force in the division, just as much as Joshua has not been a force either. Whether or not he will be in the future to come, remains to be seen. One good performance against an ATG does not propel someone to untouchable status for me.

[candyslim]

How can you argue a man who has won the unified (well almost) world title in an undisputable decision, is someone who has never been a force in the division? Not for an extended period I grant you.

[Rob3_142]

For that reason exactly. A dominant force is someone who is putting performances together against the best over a set period of time. One fight can be an anomaly, and until we see it backed up, how do we know it's anything but?

[ValMar]

HW is the most important weight division in boxing, at least for 80 % boxing fans. There are only few fighters on the highest level, and I am really
disappointed because of that. The list is rather short:

-Joshua
-Wilder (very weak resume
-Klitschko (passed his prime)
-Ortiz (passed his prime)
-Povetkin (passed his prime, PED issues)
-Haye (very questionable future, passed his prime, injuries)

Excuse me, but I don't consider Parker, Pulev, Jennings, Ruiz, H. Fury, Stiverne, Chisora and Whyte as the highest level boxers.
Boxing fans need Tyson Fury. He has deserved to be respected, simply he had defeated Wladimir Klitschko, it is a great achievement, and only haters don't want to admit this fact.

[candyslim]

For that reason exactly. A dominant force is someone who is putting performances together against the best over a set period of time. One fight can be an anomaly, and until we see it backed up, how do we know it's anything but?

Firstly I did not refer to Fury as a "dominant force", your word (dominant) not mine. What I called him was a "force" in the division which is not to say he's number one. The definition is vague so since it was my adjective I'll tell you what I mean by a force in the division, and that is someone who holds a version of the title or one who shows the capability to do so at this time, rather than in a couple of years down the road.

So, forces in the division, a select bunch:

Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Wladimir Klitscho, Luis Ortiz, Alexander Povetkin, Joseph Parker.

Tyson Fury not presently a force and Kubrat Pulev no longer a force.

Trust this clarifies my meaning.

[Rob3_142]

For that reason exactly. A dominant force is someone who is putting performances together against the best over a set period of time. One fight can be an anomaly, and until we see it backed up, how do we know it's anything but?

Firstly I did not refer to Fury as a "dominant force", your word (dominant) not mine. What I called him was a "force" in the division which is not to say he's number one. The definition is vague so since it was my adjective I'll tell you what I mean by a force in the division, and that is someone who holds a version of the title or one who shows the capability to do so at this time, rather than in a couple of years down the road.

So, forces in the division, a select bunch:

Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Wladimir Klitscho, Luis Ortiz, Alexander Povetkin, Joseph Parker.

Tyson Fury not presently a force and Kubrat Pulev no longer a force.

Trust this clarifies my meaning.

Infinitely.

Our interpretation of a 'Force' clearly differs. I don't think there is any force in the current Heavyweight crop. If Joshua topples say Wilder or Parker, then I'd say he's the closest thing to any kind of force we have. Klitschko was a force. Wilder and Parker are yet to fight anyone elite so their 'force' is pretty weak in my standings, and Ortiz/Povetkin are enigmas. One can't get a break on a decent opposition, and the other can't pass a drugs test.

[candyslim]

Well force is a relative concept but there has to be one or more. Even if you take little league baseball they'll be some teams who are a force in their division and some that aren't. Nature abhors a vacuum and so does competitive sport.

Oh now I'm arguing semantics ffs, I'm off to bed.

[Rob3_142]

Well force is a relative concept but there has to be one or more. Even if you take little league baseball they'll be some teams who are a force in their division and some that aren't. Nature abhors a vacuum and so does competitive sport.

Oh now I'm arguing semantics ffs, I'm off to bed.