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I believe this is all very obvious. Chamberlain was smart and self-reliant, and never intended to fight anyone. Chamberlain was forced to negotiate his NBA contracts without the power of free agency behind him (which was several years down the road). Unable to leverage one team against another, as is the practice today, in all three major sports, Chamberlain had to find outside streams of possible revenue to use as leverage against the NBA owners. I am sorry but I believe it is obvious what he was doing, and I would like to add that I applaud his actions. Had the man been allowed to negotiate as a 'free agent' (like today) his paycheck would have been staggering.

APerno wrote:I believe this is all very obvious. Chamberlain was smart and self-reliant, and never intended to fight anyone. Chamberlain was forced to negotiate his NBA contracts without the power of free agency behind him (which was several years down the road). Unable to leverage one team against another, as is the practice today, in all three major sports, Chamberlain had to find outside streams of possible revenue to use as leverage against the NBA owners. I am sorry but I believe it is obvious what he was doing, and I would like to add that I applaud his actions. Had the man been allowed to negotiate as a 'free agent' (like today) his paycheck would have been staggering.

That is NOT at ALL what Chamberlain had in mind... If he got Ali into a ring he knew he could make millions.. He would be World Heavyweight Champion and King of the World.. Ali probably wouldn't want a rematch... Do you think Ali would fight Antonio Inoki again after he got the living sh!t kicked out of his legs and had to be hospitalized??? ... HELL NO he wouldn't.. It's a cold hard fact that Chamberlain was as serious as a heart attack about fighting Ali. Why would he sign a contract at ALL to fight Ali.. And why would he beg Ali to sign a contract or ask him how long it was going to take to sign??? WHY???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s ... This video really lays out the truth very starkly.

And Ali used weasel words: "I accept your challenge..after I finish with a few more contenders, IF I beat them" ... “Don rush things” ... “Hold your pen”

There is damning proof that Chamberlain signed contracts to fight Ali... and no evidence Ali ever signed a damned thing to fight Chamberlain.

Ali refused to even give Chamberlain a time line of WHEN he intended to sign a contract to fight him.

Kalan wrote:

vidal wrote:Audley Harrison would deal with chamberlain and have some spare.

Fraudley would get ripped out immediately... It would be a complete joke.

Audley Harrison would handily deal with Chamberlain. Within a round or so I would say.

Kalan wrote:
And Ali used weasel words: "I accept your challenge..after I finish with a few more contenders, IF I beat them" ... “Don rush things” ... “Hold your pen”

There is damning proof that Chamberlain signed contracts to fight Ali... and no evidence Ali ever signed a damned thing to fight Chamberlain.

Ali refused to even give Chamberlain a time line of WHEN he intended to sign a contract to fight him.

That means nothing. That would be like a basketball player challenging AJ and then accusing him of ducking them because he won't sign on the dotted line, it just doesn't happen like that. All televised high jinx and publicity for them both. It goes back to the original point, if Chamberlain was desperate to be champ then he should've fought or challenged Frazier. He had no intention of ever fighting as was proved when he ducked out in their last press conference and signed a new basketball contract.

Kalan wrote:blah blah blah...... b*llocks b*llocks b*llocks

true story

vidal wrote:Audley Harrison would handily deal with Chamberlain. Within a round or so I would say.

Like Fraudley promised to KO David Haye and ran from the opening bell ... and like Ali promised to KO Inoki and got the sh!t kicked out of him

Fraudley might deal with Ali better than Alfredo Evangelista or Rudi Lubbers did. Fraudley had a better reach and more weapons than those clowns.

Kalan wrote:

vidal wrote:Audley Harrison would handily deal with Chamberlain. Within a round or so I would say.

Like Fraudley promised to KO David Haye and ran from the opening bell ... and like Ali promised to KO Inoki and got the sh!t kicked out of him

And to think, both Audley and Ali would bounce Chamberlain off the ropes too. No wonder Chamberlain didn't fancy it....... can't blame him really.

Henry Cooper would have sparked him too........ as would every fighter in the history of boxing ever. Don't believe me?...... I have proof:

<white noise>

Case closed.

Controversial wrote:

Kalan wrote:
And Ali used weasel words: "I accept your challenge..after I finish with a few more contenders, IF I beat them" ... “Don rush things” ... “Hold your pen”

There is damning proof that Chamberlain signed contracts to fight Ali... and no evidence Ali ever signed a damned thing to fight Chamberlain.

Ali refused to even give Chamberlain a time line of WHEN he intended to sign a contract to fight him.

That means nothing. That would be like a basketball player challenging AJ and then accusing him of ducking them because he won't sign on the dotted line

If Anthony Joshua used up the valuable time of contract lawyers for a month -- having them negotiate a contract for a fight with the world's greatest athlete -- he wouldn't use it strictly for publicity. He wouldn't get cold feet when it came time to sign the dotted line... He would take his pen and do the deed.

And AJ would show up on Fight Night... Floyd Mayweather signed to fight Conor McGregor -- and Floyd will show up on Fight Night in the opposite corner.

vidal wrote:

Kalan wrote:

vidal wrote:Audley Harrison would handily deal with Chamberlain. Within a round or so I would say.

Like Fraudley promised to KO David Haye and ran from the opening bell ... and like Ali promised to KO Inoki and got the sh!t kicked out of him

And to think, both Audley and Ali would bounce Chamberlain off the ropes too. No wonder Chamberlain didn't fancy it....... can't blame him really.

Henry Cooper would have sparked him too........ as would every fighter in the history of boxing ever. Don't believe me?...... I have proof: <no proof> Case closed.

Like I said

Fraudley promised to KO David Haye and ran from the bell ... Ali promised to KO Inoki (who never fought) and got the sh!t kicked out of him

Fraudley might deal with Ali better than Alfredo Evangelista or Rudi Lubbers did. Fraudley had a better reach and more weapons than those clowns

You guys deal in fantasies you create in your mind... I deal in documented facts... Ali didn't sign because he was scared to death of Chamberlain. "I accept your challenge ... after I finish with a few more contenders ... IF I beat them" ... Right!!! That's a scared man ... NOT a man who wants to fight.

Kalan wrote:Like I said

yyyyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhh, but you're wrong...... so......

it's not your fault, it's just that Chamberlain wasn't very good at punching people in the face, and boxers are quite good at punching people in the face, so, if you think logically........ boxers will punch Chamberlain in the face quite a lot if they have a punch in the face contest with him.

I almost feel sorry for him.

vidal wrote: boxers are quite good at punching people in the face

Ali certainly had his problems punching face against NON-BOXER Inoki... Ali got the HELL kicked out of him and couldn't hit Inoki

In fact, even some world champion boxers are very bad at what they do for a living -- and get beaten up in every day fist fights... Like Duilio Loi did when he took on a motorist after a fender bender with Loi and heated argument... The motorist was quick fisted and beat the sh!t out of Loi, who told reporters... "He's a very fast puncher. He beat me up." ... Occasionally these man bites dog stories make the newspapers and that one did.

And Ali was't the first Heavyweight Champion I've ever seen who was scared to death of somebody... Joe Frazier looked scared to death when he stepped into he ring with George Foreman. I hadn't seen a look of fear on a Heavyweight Champion's face since Floyd Patterson took the ring against Sonny Liston. The audience LOL as Frazier fought like an 4-round novice getting bounced around like a basketball.

And obviously you don’t have to be a boxer to scare the sh!t out of Ali... Inoke scared the sh!t out of Ali so badly that Ali barely threw a punch for 15 rounds and allowed Inoke to kick the sh!t out of his legs to the extent Ali had to be hospitalized.

Kalan wrote:

vidal wrote: boxers are quite good at punching people in the face

Ali certainly had his problems punching face against NON-BOXER Inoki... Ali got the HELL kicked out of him and couldn't hit Inoki

That wasn't a boxing match though was it. Had it been, and a serious one at that, Inoki would've been made to look stupid.

These Chamberlain threads are the most idiotic in the history of BoxRec.

Controversial wrote:That wasn't a boxing match though was it. Had it been, and a serious one at that, Inoki would've been made to look stupid.

Well you're making false statements again because that was a serious fight...and a boxing match on Ali's part... It's well documented that Ali had to be hospitalized with blood clots in his legs... Ali was allowed to punch Inoki all he wanted -- and Inoki wasn't allowed to punch Ali with his bare fists... Inoki was contractually extremely limited in his technique.

Ali tried hard to punch Inoki, but lacked the skills to hit a NON-BOXER who was often directly in front of him... Inoki had very quick reflexes and was difficult to hit. Why don't YOU WATCH the fight instead of making up your own facts.

It was supposed to be a Boxing vs Wrestling contest but Ali threatened to pull out of the fight unless the contract was rewritten to disallow wrestling, throws, submission holds, and Inoki was not allowed to punch Ali with his bare fists... They were allowed to clinch, but clinches were quickly broken up by the Ali team's self appointed referee... The only thing Inoki was allowed to do was kick Ali to the back of the legs -- which he did freely all night.

Kalan wrote:

Controversial wrote:That wasn't a boxing match though was it. Had it been, and a serious one at that, Inoki would've been made to look stupid.

Well you're making false statements again because that was a serious fight...and a boxing match on Ali's part...

Laying on your back and kicking isn't boxing.

He was on his feet and maneuvering around for much of the fight... and Ali still couldn't hit him... Inoki had quick reflexes.

Contractually Inoki was not ALLOWED to box... He couldn't punch Ali, but could be punched as much as Ali liked... Ali LACKED the boxing ability to hit Inoki well... Inoki DID have the kicking skills to kick the sh!t out of Ali, bust up blood vessels in his legs, and hospitalize him

Kalan wrote:
Contractually Inoki was not ALLOWED to box...

Exactly it wasn't a boxing match. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

If he had been allowed to punch Ali -- it would have been that much worse for Ali.

And Ali DID defend the Heavyweight Championship against a novice boxer... Leon Spinks 6-0-1... Ali couldn't hit him well either and lost.

Every other top Heavyweight Spinks fought knocked him TFO!!!!

Seamus wrote:These Chamberlain threads are the most idiotic in the history of BoxRec.

Every time I see one, I think I've woken up in an alternate reality.

Although there's a way to go, this one looks like it's going to be another 75 page wankathon, like the last one.

Same old stories & arguments going round & round & round.

Caractacus wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS79C1XEqBc

Right... That's the fight where Ali couldn't hit a non-boxer and got the crap kicked out of him to the extent Ali had to be hospitalized while Inoke didn't have the slightest mark on him to let anyone know he'd been in a fight... Ali couldn't hit him... You can also click on the Ali-Lyle exhibition when that video ends.

Lyle Alzado also had no pro fights and got the best of Ali... Those 2 guys were fairly good, but rather ordinary star athletes as far as a combination of size, strength, speed, reflexes, timing, accuracy, agility, and achievements in their sports: wrestling and football... Chamberlain set more NBA records than any other player in the history of the game and was said by many, including football star Jim Brown, to be the greatest athlete ever. Which is why Ali refused to sign.

McGregor would handily beat Chamberlain.

Fact

Not at Boxing... Prime Wilt would have him out faster than a fart disperses in a hurricane.

Wilt had giganticly long legs... so they'd be vulnerable in an MMA fight... But you'd have to avoid that overhand right while you're kicking... Hearns v Duran

And Tommy didn't have 130 pound weight advantage... At his height and with that unreal reach, he was still a wrecking ball for Duran. Not a good match-up

Kalan wrote:Not at Boxing... Prime Wilt would have him out faster than a fart disperses in a hurricane.

Wilt had giganticly long legs... so they'd be vulnerable in an MMA fight... But you'd have to avoid that overhand right while you're kicking... Hearns v Duran

And Tommy didn't have 130 pound weight advantage... At his height and with that unreal reach, he was still a wrecking ball for Duran. Not a good match-up

How do you think Chamberlain would have got on versus Inoko?