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Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 15:38
by MachoTime
Ossyrules wrote:MachoTime wrote:Ossyrules wrote:Kalan you're a slave to numbers, and hugely under estimate fighters of yesteryear. Nobody in today's boxing knows how to fight inside like the old guys could, and Frazier was one of the best ever. A supremely strong and resilient guy. Cut from a completely different cloth to today's guys.
There is no evidence Wlad could deal with a guy like Frazier. Saying foreman beat Frazier really is a poor arguement from you
What the fu*k would you know. Wlad would have slaughtered the little midget. Go Back to England.
Great response you clearly know your boxing
Facking melt
Duh. Go drink a few pints while your add it.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 15:39
by Tony1244
Frazier would have broken Wlad down. Wlad never fought a Frazier. They haven't existed in the HW division after Tyson.
Now Wlad was a much better older fighter. If we're going to count talent from 35 years old and on, Wlad wins hands down against Ali and Frazier. But w/ them all at their very best, I see the order 1) Ali, 2) Frazier 3) Wlad.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 15:40
by Ossyrules
MachoTime wrote:Ossyrules wrote:MachoTime wrote:
What the fu*k would you know. Wlad would have slaughtered the little midget. Go Back to England.
Great response you clearly know your boxing
Facking melt
Duh. Go drink a few pints while your add it.
I'm on it, I'll meet you at the pub
Melt
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 15:44
by MachoTime
Ossyrules wrote:MachoTime wrote:Ossyrules wrote:
Great response you clearly know your boxing
Facking melt
Duh. Go drink a few pints while your add it.
I'm on it, I'll meet you at the pub
Melt
Im in the USA. You want to come here. No problems Bro you're alright. And no Frazier wouldn't stand a chance against Wlad. My IMO
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 16:35
by jamesmcdonnell
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Frazier would have battered Wlad.
I think the fact he was such a slow started would have been his undoing.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 16:36
by jamesmcdonnell
I'd have picked a prime Tyson over wlad. The speed and ecplosiveness would have been too much. Frazier lacked the speed and relied too much on one shot.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 16:46
by SaadOffTheDeck
jamesmcdonnell wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Frazier would have battered Wlad.
I think the fact he was such a slow started would have been his undoing.
Whom? The 'prime' wlad started a lot slower than Frazier.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 16:47
by SaadOffTheDeck
jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd have picked a prime Tyson over wlad. The speed and ecplosiveness would have been too much. Frazier lacked the speed and relied too much on one shot.
Joe was very fast. I'd pick Tyson too, but I like wlads chances a lot better there. He could hold Mike.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 17:01
by Ossyrules
jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd have picked a prime Tyson over wlad. The speed and ecplosiveness would have been too much. Frazier lacked the speed and relied too much on one shot.
Frazier speed is underrated. He's not tyson but he had other qualities, better engine, bigger heart, better resolve, mentally unstoppable.
Wlad never faced a guy who was trained to get inside the jab and then kill his body
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 17:12
by MachoTime
Ossyrules wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd have picked a prime Tyson over wlad. The speed and ecplosiveness would have been too much. Frazier lacked the speed and relied too much on one shot.
Frazier speed is underrated. He's not tyson but he had other qualities, better engine, bigger heart, better resolve, mentally unstoppable.
Wlad never faced a guy who was trained to get inside the jab and then kill his body
Frazier is a midget. You should really head down to the pub and slam a few English Crappy beers.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 06 Aug 2017, 17:20
by jamesmcdonnell
It's all just hypothesis anyway.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 07 Aug 2017, 00:31
by 493dart
GOOD------------- no more CLINCHING AND LEANING ON OPPONENTS BACK !!!
fornicate Clinchko. Non aggressive, holding , boring ,
loved when Fury SCHOOLED him .
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 07 Aug 2017, 09:10
by Badhusker
MachoTime wrote:Ossyrules wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd have picked a prime Tyson over wlad. The speed and ecplosiveness would have been too much. Frazier lacked the speed and relied too much on one shot.
Frazier speed is underrated. He's not tyson but he had other qualities, better engine, bigger heart, better resolve, mentally unstoppable.
Wlad never faced a guy who was trained to get inside the jab and then kill his body
Frazier is a midget. You should really head down to the pub and slam a few English Crappy beers.
Frazier wasn't big, but did have a couple of inches in height and reach on Mike Tyson. I thought he was awkward, and very good the way he bobbed around. gave Ali hell. Then he met George Foreman.
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 07 Aug 2017, 12:03
by MachoTime
Badhusker wrote:MachoTime wrote:Ossyrules wrote:
Frazier speed is underrated. He's not tyson but he had other qualities, better engine, bigger heart, better resolve, mentally unstoppable.
Wlad never faced a guy who was trained to get inside the jab and then kill his body
Frazier is a midget. You should really head down to the pub and slam a few English Crappy beers.
Frazier wasn't big, but did have a couple of inches in height and reach on Mike Tyson. I thought he was awkward, and very good the way he bobbed around. gave Ali hell. Then he met George Foreman.
It was a exciting era back then. I think Tyson would have taken the later version of Foreman. Im not so sure about the early Tyson vs. Early Foreman. That would have been a hell of fight..
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 07 Aug 2017, 12:52
by jamesmcdonnell
493dart wrote:GOOD------------- no more CLINCHING AND LEANING ON OPPONENTS BACK !!!
eff Clinchko. Non aggressive, holding , boring ,
loved when Fury SCHOOLED him .
Ali was one of the worst for pulling down on his opponents heads. He was a pretty talented grappler
Re: WLAD RETIRES
Posted: 07 Aug 2017, 12:54
by jamesmcdonnell
Ossyrules wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd have picked a prime Tyson over wlad. The speed and ecplosiveness would have been too much. Frazier lacked the speed and relied too much on one shot.
Frazier speed is underrated. He's not tyson but he had other qualities, better engine, bigger heart, better resolve, mentally unstoppable.
Wlad never faced a guy who was trained to get inside the jab and then kill his body
Yes that's true. I also feel though he was susceptible to big punchers. He never beat any really big hitters at top level.