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gilgamesh wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:In the early '90s, there was Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Ruddock, Mercer, Foreman, Moorer, Morrison, Bowe, and McCall. They all won world titles except for Ruddock. 10 guys and they all would have beaten Fury.

You also had Frank Bruno, Shannon Briggs, and David Tua in the 90's all of whom would at least be 50/50 with Fury on their best days and his.

And most of them were 200 pounds and 6'-6'2"... Try as they might, how can you hit a man who is eight feet away whenever he leans away from punches?... Like it or not, it's an easier said than done task... When's the last time you saw a near 7'0" heavyweight with great ring generalship and switch hits and has great speed for someone 250+ pounds?... Never... It's a helluva puzzle to figure out, and even a fellow giant (Wladimir) couldn't quite get off on his punches.

The only men capable of doing anything effective with Fury out of all that listed is Lewis and Bowe. They had the size and the pedigree and the skills. Everyone else is just too small, too old, or simply too inconsistent to be even considered a real threat. Styles is almost everything in this scenario.

HomicideHenry wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:In the early '90s, there was Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Ruddock, Mercer, Foreman, Moorer, Morrison, Bowe, and McCall. They all won world titles except for Ruddock. 10 guys and they all would have beaten Fury.

You also had Frank Bruno, Shannon Briggs, and David Tua in the 90's all of whom would at least be 50/50 with Fury on their best days and his.

And most of them were 200 pounds and 6'-6'2"... Try as they might, how can you hit a man who is eight feet away whenever he leans away from punches?... Like it or not, it's an easier said than done task... When's the last time you saw a near 7'0" heavyweight with great ring generalship and switch hits and has great speed for someone 250+ pounds?... Never... It's a helluva puzzle to figure out, and even a fellow giant (Wladimir) couldn't quite get off on his punches.

The only men capable of doing anything effective with Fury out of all that listed is Lewis and Bowe. They had the size and the pedigree and the skills. Everyone else is just too small, too old, or simply too inconsistent to be even considered a real threat. Styles is almost everything in this scenario.

So you think Mike Tyson in his prime would lose to Tyson Fury? Mike Tyson beat guys taller than him. He was probably shorter than everyone or almost everyone he fought. Tony Tucker was a contender too back then even after he lost to Tyson by decision. A lot of depth in the division in those days. Fury would have a height advantage on all of them, but would that be enough to overcome their skills? Fury would probably have lost to Klitschko in the rematch and Joshua if he fought him.

Mike Tyson when he was 19-0 would have blasted through pretty much anyone I can think of. No matter how tall or whatever, he was a wrecking ball.

ValMar wrote:I think that every normal fan knows that Joshua is #1 HW.
Who is #2 HW (supposing Fury stay retired) ?
I have not put Haye and Povetkin on the list, I am not sure if they were healthy/clean.........

Haye got nothing to do with nothing anymore. Povetkin is #2 and his name isn't on this stupid poll. I'm not sure Joshua and some other names on the list are "healthy/clean".

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:On his day Bert cooper would flatten fury.

It would not be hes day if he got slapped silly by Fury anyway... Right?

Heretic wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:On his day Bert cooper would flatten fury.

It would not be hes day if he got slapped silly by Fury anyway... Right?

Right, gotta say 8 or 9 if 10 for fury. The cooper that fought mercer or holyfield smashes the Tyson that fought wlad.

ValMar wrote:I think that every normal fan knows that Joshua is #1 HW.
Who is #2 HW (supposing Fury stay retired) ?
I have not put Haye and Povetkin on the list, I am not sure if they were healthy/clean.........

Well maybe we have to think outside the box. Usyk?

pound per pound wrote:

ValMar wrote:I think that every normal fan knows that Joshua is #1 HW.
Who is #2 HW (supposing Fury stay retired) ?
I have not put Haye and Povetkin on the list, I am not sure if they were healthy/clean.........

Well maybe we have to think outside the box. Usyk?

I wrote, many times, here on this forum, about Usyk as the most dangerous opponents for Joshua.
I had very, very weak support from other posters, but I still think that Joshua-Usyk fight would be competitive.

RScarf1 wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
You also had Frank Bruno, Shannon Briggs, and David Tua in the 90's all of whom would at least be 50/50 with Fury on their best days and his.

And most of them were 200 pounds and 6'-6'2"... Try as they might, how can you hit a man who is eight feet away whenever he leans away from punches?... Like it or not, it's an easier said than done task... When's the last time you saw a near 7'0" heavyweight with great ring generalship and switch hits and has great speed for someone 250+ pounds?... Never... It's a helluva puzzle to figure out, and even a fellow giant (Wladimir) couldn't quite get off on his punches.

The only men capable of doing anything effective with Fury out of all that listed is Lewis and Bowe. They had the size and the pedigree and the skills. Everyone else is just too small, too old, or simply too inconsistent to be even considered a real threat. Styles is almost everything in this scenario.

So you think Mike Tyson in his prime would lose to Tyson Fury? Mike Tyson beat guys taller than him. He was probably shorter than everyone or almost everyone he fought. Tony Tucker was a contender too back then even after he lost to Tyson by decision. A lot of depth in the division in those days. Fury would have a height advantage on all of them, but would that be enough to overcome their skills? Fury would probably have lost to Klitschko in the rematch and Joshua if he fought him.

I don't think Fury would give Mike much opportunity to get close to be honest. If Bonecrusher Smith could last twelve, and he's much smaller than Fury, I can see Fury using all of his lateral movement, constant jab to win a long, dull, boring decision. It'd stink up the place but he'd out point Mike Tyson. Just my two cents.

RScarf1 wrote:So you think Mike Tyson in his prime would lose to Tyson Fury? Mike Tyson beat guys taller than him. He was probably shorter than everyone or almost everyone he fought. Tony Tucker was a contender too back then even after he lost to Tyson by decision. A lot of depth in the division in those days. Fury would have a height advantage on all of them, but would that be enough to overcome their skills? Fury would probably have lost to Klitschko in the rematch and Joshua if he fought him.

Damned right he would lose... Tyson was too small and weak for even Evander Holyfield, Buster Douglas, and Lennox Lewis... They boxed the piss out of Mike because he didn't box that well... He style was walking straight in and eating punches.. When he ate their's He went down and out.. EAT THIS Mike!

As far as Fury losing to Klitschko in the rematch??? ... I doubt it -- and sometimes you get one bite at the apple... Joshua will probably get his bite sometime in the future -- that is if Fury ever rehabs from all his mental, emotional, and addiction health issues...

fools seldom differ

Kalan wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:So you think Mike Tyson in his prime would lose to Tyson Fury? Mike Tyson beat guys taller than him. He was probably shorter than everyone or almost everyone he fought. Tony Tucker was a contender too back then even after he lost to Tyson by decision. A lot of depth in the division in those days. Fury would have a height advantage on all of them, but would that be enough to overcome their skills? Fury would probably have lost to Klitschko in the rematch and Joshua if he fought him.

Damned right he would lose... Tyson was too small and weak for even Evander Holyfield, Buster Douglas, and Lennox Lewis... They boxed the piss out of Mike because he didn't box that well... He style was walking straight in and eating punches.. When he ate their's He went down and out.. EAT THIS Mike!

As far as Fury losing to Klitschko in the rematch??? ... I doubt it -- and sometimes you get one bite at the apple... Joshua will probably get his bite sometime in the future -- that is if Fury ever rehabs from all his mental, emotional, and addiction health issues...

I was not referring to the version of Mike Tyson who lost. In the early '90s after he lost to Douglas and before his arrest, he defeated Razor Ruddock twice.

Fury would have never survived the Tyson/Ruddock fights. He would have been destroyed against either.

RScarf1 wrote:

Kalan wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:So you think Mike Tyson in his prime would lose to Tyson Fury? Mike Tyson beat guys taller than him. He was probably shorter than everyone or almost everyone he fought. Tony Tucker was a contender too back then even after he lost to Tyson by decision. A lot of depth in the division in those days. Fury would have a height advantage on all of them, but would that be enough to overcome their skills? Fury would probably have lost to Klitschko in the rematch and Joshua if he fought him.

Damned right he would lose... Tyson was too small and weak for even Evander Holyfield, Buster Douglas, and Lennox Lewis... They boxed the piss out of Mike because he didn't box that well... He style was walking straight in and eating punches.. When he ate their's He went down and out.. EAT THIS Mike!

As far as Fury losing to Klitschko in the rematch??? ... I doubt it -- and sometimes you get one bite at the apple... Joshua will probably get his bite sometime in the future -- that is if Fury ever rehabs from all his mental, emotional, and addiction health issues...

I was not referring to the version of Mike Tyson who lost. In the early '90s after he lost to Douglas and before his arrest, he defeated Razor Ruddock twice.

Yeah. When you put forward peak Tyson I always go back to when he was 19-0 before "the troubles"

HomicideHenry wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:In the early '90s, there was Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Ruddock, Mercer, Foreman, Moorer, Morrison, Bowe, and McCall. They all won world titles except for Ruddock. 10 guys and they all would have beaten Fury.

You also had Frank Bruno, Shannon Briggs, and David Tua in the 90's all of whom would at least be 50/50 with Fury on their best days and his.

And most of them were 200 pounds and 6'-6'2"... Try as they might, how can you hit a man who is eight feet away whenever he leans away from punches?... Like it or not, it's an easier said than done task... When's the last time you saw a near 7'0" heavyweight with great ring generalship and switch hits and has great speed for someone 250+ pounds?... Never... It's a helluva puzzle to figure out, and even a fellow giant (Wladimir) couldn't quite get off on his punches.

The only men capable of doing anything effective with Fury out of all that listed is Lewis and Bowe. They had the size and the pedigree and the skills. Everyone else is just too small, too old, or simply too inconsistent to be even considered a real threat. Styles is almost everything in this scenario.

i might be totally wrong, but i see him
very differently. if you look at his record,
it is not as bad as wilders, but it is close
- aside of wlad of course. he simply did
not face great people and got floored by
a cruiser weight in steve cunningham.
what makes you think a prime mike tyson
could not do the same?

fury did not prove himself to me. he just
didn't. as a showman and promoter, yes,
absolutely he did, but as a fighter the big
fight is missing that tells the story. because
even in the wlad fight, yes he managed to
get the nod, but not by taking on and out
the ageing champ as joshua did, instead
sneaking himself to a snooze fest victory.
and after that he had no clue.

tyson fury is the donald trump of boxing.

ValMar wrote:

pound per pound wrote:

ValMar wrote:I think that every normal fan knows that Joshua is #1 HW.
Who is #2 HW (supposing Fury stay retired) ?
I have not put Haye and Povetkin on the list, I am not sure if they were healthy/clean.........

Well maybe we have to think outside the box. Usyk?

I wrote, many times, here on this forum, about Usyk as the most dangerous opponents for Joshua.
I had very, very weak support from other posters, but I still think that Joshua-Usyk fight would be competitive.

Usyk does not have the power to beat Joshua. He would get walked down against the bigger and stronger man.

He should clean out cruiser and maybe then cash out in few final fights in HW.

Heretic wrote:

ValMar wrote:

pound per pound wrote:
Well maybe we have to think outside the box. Usyk?

I wrote, many times, here on this forum, about Usyk as the most dangerous opponents for Joshua.
I had very, very weak support from other posters, but I still think that Joshua-Usyk fight would be competitive.

Usyk does not have the power to beat Joshua. He would get walked down against the bigger and stronger man.

He should clean out cruiser and maybe then cash out in few final fights in HW.

I agree that Usyk has not enough power to KO Joshua, but if he is able to box cleverly, he might win by decision.

ValMar wrote:

Heretic wrote:

ValMar wrote:
I wrote, many times, here on this forum, about Usyk as the most dangerous opponents for Joshua.
I had very, very weak support from other posters, but I still think that Joshua-Usyk fight would be competitive.

Usyk does not have the power to beat Joshua. He would get walked down against the bigger and stronger man.

He should clean out cruiser and maybe then cash out in few final fights in HW.

I agree that Usyk has not enough power to KO Joshua, but if he is able to box cleverly, he might win by decision.

I think Usyk could out box him for some time but would get caught eventually. Bit like what GGG did to Brook.

Btw, interviewed Mike Weaver today on ATGRADIO and he said that he felt that the heavyweight division today is no different than the era he fought in and said he was impressed by both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. The big man says he still hits the bag every day and is 240 pounds these days.

He'd smash Tyson fury.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He'd smash Tyson fury.

Tell you what Saad, I'll bring him back on and ask him that exact question. Or maybe you can call in and ask him yourself.

No thank you.

Tyson Fury today;

"When I get my license back and I get fit again and I get this five stone off – what did Schwarzenegger say? 'I'll be back'."

5 stone

Kalan wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:So you think Mike Tyson in his prime would lose to Tyson Fury? Mike Tyson beat guys taller than him. He was probably shorter than everyone or almost everyone he fought. Tony Tucker was a contender too back then even after he lost to Tyson by decision. A lot of depth in the division in those days. Fury would have a height advantage on all of them, but would that be enough to overcome their skills? Fury would probably have lost to Klitschko in the rematch and Joshua if he fought him.

Damned right he would lose... Tyson was too small and weak for even Evander Holyfield, Buster Douglas, and Lennox Lewis... They boxed the piss out of Mike because he didn't box that well... He style was walking straight in and eating punches.. When he ate their's He went down and out.. EAT THIS Mike!

As far as Fury losing to Klitschko in the rematch??? ... I doubt it -- and sometimes you get one bite at the apple... Joshua will probably get his bite sometime in the future -- that is if Fury ever rehabs from all his mental, emotional, and addiction health issues...

Reading boxrec records again with no context kalan

Mike was on the decline vs buster
Past it vs Holyfield
Completely shot vs lewis

It's a terrible base for an argument.

Mike Tyson knocks out tyson fury badly

He was prime for Douglas, the rest is spot on.