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If Ortiz is innocent he should stroll down to his local GP and get a secondary blood and urine test. Pretty simple. There’s other organisation other than VADA that complete these types of tests. It’s not uncommon to get a second opinion. Or did wilder sneak peds into his beans on toast?

lazboy wrote:If Ortiz is innocent he should stroll down to his local GP and get a secondary blood and urine test. Pretty simple. There’s other organisation other than VADA that complete these types of tests. It’s not uncommon to get a second opinion. Or did wilder sneak peds into his beans on toast?

It's already said that he had the substances on doctors describtion...

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Stop trying to employ red herring's. I won't allow you to use divsersionary tactics to distract people away from claims you made that you cannot substantiate.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

17 .- Amir Mansour (US) USNBC
Malcolm Tan, not ranked by the WBC at all.

No sorry, you lied, I didn't.

This doesn't prove Whyte "ducked" Mansour.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

Oh, Mansour just randomly predicted it correct beforehand as well?

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: 17 .- Amir Mansour (US) USNBC
Malcolm Tan, not ranked by the WBC at all.

No sorry, you lied, I didn't.

This doesn't prove Whyte "ducked" Mansour.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

Oh, Mansour just randomly predicted it correct beforehand as well?

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Keep responding with simply your gut instinct kid, it simply proves a blatantly obvious fact, which relates to your being exposed for lying.

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: 17 .- Amir Mansour (US) USNBC
Malcolm Tan, not ranked by the WBC at all.

No sorry, you lied, I didn't.

This doesn't prove Whyte "ducked" Mansour.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

Oh, Mansour just randomly predicted it correct beforehand as well?

A real battle of wits going on here

Stuarty30 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: This doesn't prove Whyte "ducked" Mansour.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

Oh, Mansour just randomly predicted it correct beforehand as well?

A real battle of wits going on here

I agree. It's a silly argument.

I'm having fun exposing someone for their lies.

I know I'm shouldn't engage in such trivial meaningless banter, since it means lowering myself to idiotic levels, but heck... it's too much fun to mock those that make utterly idiotic claims that they cannot possibly substantiate.

asdfjkl wrote:

lazboy wrote:If Ortiz is innocent he should stroll down to his local GP and get a secondary blood and urine test. Pretty simple. There’s other organisation other than VADA that complete these types of tests. It’s not uncommon to get a second opinion. Or did wilder sneak peds into his beans on toast?

It's already said that he had the substances on doctors describtion...

Oh ok, so he was prescribed the diuretics for blood pressure was he? Are there alternative drugs for blood pressure that his doctor could have prescribed that weren’t on the banned list. Do you think this is his doctors fault?

Enlightened-One wrote: I'm having fun exposing someone for their lies.

I know I'm shouldn't engage in such trivial meaningless banter, since it means lowering myself to idiotic levels, but heck... it's too much fun to mock those that make utterly idiotic claims that they cannot possibly substantiate.

.. the danger being of course that the level of submersion in these trivial matters can be so deep that at one point it might be difficult for us simple minded posters to tell the difference between those who expose and who are getting exposed...

Wilder should just STFU and fight Ortiz with NO title at stake!

caldo2025 wrote:Good for Wilder! I hope he never steps into a ring with a known PED user. This is too dangerous a business to roll the dice.

Then Wilder will continue to fight bum after bum.

“I can verify the information Mauricio put out,” said promoter Lou DiBella to ESPN.com. “I’m flabbergasted and particularly crestfallen for my fighter. Deontay Wilder is a great champion and a clean champion and probably has been victimized more than any other fighter in the history of the sport.”

greg wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I'm having fun exposing someone for their lies.

I know I'm shouldn't engage in such trivial meaningless banter, since it means lowering myself to idiotic levels, but heck... it's too much fun to mock those that make utterly idiotic claims that they cannot possibly substantiate.

.. the danger being of course that the level of submersion in these trivial matters can be so deep that at one point it might be difficult for us simple minded posters to tell the difference between those who expose and who are getting exposed...

There's not much I can do about the mindset of "simple-minded posters" that struggle to recognise the blatantly obvious, is there?

Badhusker wrote:“I can verify the information Mauricio put out,” said promoter Lou DiBella to ESPN.com. “I’m flabbergasted and particularly crestfallen for my fighter. Deontay Wilder is a great champion and a clean champion and probably has been victimized more than any other fighter in the history of the sport.”

Ortiz once went before the Nevada state athletic commission and admitted he used a steroid. This is one hundred percent Ortiz fault if the fight falls thru.

Amir Mansour / Charles Martin would match Wilder's boxing skills.

No they wouldn't.

The insinuation that a fighter is in bed with VADA is laughable to the highest extreme. Do you dopes even think before you type? Do you think VADA seriously gives an F about DEONTAY WILDER?!

How bout this for a thought? People with a history of cheating are:

1) more likely to be caught when VADA is involved because their testing is of a higher standard

2) more likely to cheat during the camp against a legitimate opponent.

Why do you people think the new presence of USADA + a fight date with Daniel Cormier caused Jon Jones to pop twice?

This isn’t rocket science.

boxing_rocks wrote:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Montoya/sta ... 8028430336

Are you kidding with this excuse? All fighters are instructed to do is give the testing agencies a list of prescriptions/supplements they’re taking beforehand so the agency can clear/deny them. They ASK the fighters: “WHAT ARE YOU TAKING right now, and for what?”

Please spare me the ignorance excuse.

Even if Ortiz would've been on herbs and roots regime, Wilder's personal doctor would've found some strange substance in Ortiz's system and call it a 'masking agent'. Wilder would do anything to go on that bum feasting regime.

diddy wrote:The insinuation that a fighter is in bed with VADA is laughable to the highest extreme. Do you dopes even think before you type? Do you think VADA seriously gives an F about DEONTAY WILDER?!

How bout this for a thought? People with a history of cheating are:

1) more likely to be caught when VADA is involved because their testing is of a higher standard

2) more likely to cheat during the camp against a legitimate opponent.

Why do you people think the new presence of USADA + a fight date with Daniel Cormier caused Jon Jones to pop twice?

This isn’t rocket science.

Wilder is not his own boss...

diddy wrote:The insinuation that a fighter is in bed with VADA is laughable to the highest extreme. Do you dopes even think before you type? Do you think VADA seriously gives an F about DEONTAY WILDER?!

How bout this for a thought? People with a history of cheating are:

1) more likely to be caught when VADA is involved because their testing is of a higher standard

2) more likely to cheat during the camp against a legitimate opponent.

Why do you people think the new presence of USADA + a fight date with Daniel Cormier caused Jon Jones to pop twice?

This isn’t rocket science.

It may be an eye opening for you, but VADA is actually a group of humans. Humans can be bribed, blackmailed, influenced or be just helping a friend. You don't think that Haymon can have some kind of relationship with somebody from VADA? Is it totally impossible? How many top Haymon fighters got caught by VADA?

apollo creed wrote:Even if Ortiz would've been on herbs and roots regime, Wilder's personal doctor would've found some strange substance in Ortiz's system and call it a 'masking agent'. Wilder would do anything to go on that bum feasting regime.

Yeah bro, potatoes are full of diuretics.

Imagine Wilder being 100-0 with lots of bums on his resume and still complaining that all the top guys are juicing just to avoid him.