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Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑21 Jan 2021, 06:42 I also have Larry at number one all time. I believe that if he fought all the greats (prime v prime) three times, he'd come out the unanimous or majority winner against them all.

The ones that would come closest: Ali, Lewis and Bowe would give Holmes trouble and so would Wlad. I don't have Fury down as a great (yet) but I do believe he'd give Holmes a lot of trouble. There are several other fighters I think would beat Fury though.

An interesting point to highlight is that a prime Larry Holmes, had he cut weight, would have been about 190lbs. So he would almost certainly have been the greatest ever cruiserweight had he chosen to operate at that weight, At his best, he would have been about 10lbs lighter on fight night than the likes of Usyk and Gassiev were at cruiserweight!

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jan 2021, 07:39

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑21 Jan 2021, 06:42 I also have Larry at number one all time. I believe that if he fought all the greats (prime v prime) three times, he'd come out the unanimous or majority winner against them all.

The ones that would come closest: Ali, Lewis and Bowe would give Holmes trouble and so would Wlad. I don't have Fury down as a great (yet) but I do believe he'd give Holmes a lot of trouble. There are several other fighters I think would beat Fury though.

An interesting point to highlight is that a prime Larry Holmes, had he cut weight, would have been about 190lbs. So he would almost certainly have been the greatest ever cruiserweight had he chosen to operate at that weight, At his best, he would have been about 10lbs lighter on fight night than the likes of Usyk and Gassiev were at cruiserweight!

Rating fighters on whom you think would win is madness in an historical context.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2021, 08:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jan 2021, 07:39

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑21 Jan 2021, 06:42 I also have Larry at number one all time. I believe that if he fought all the greats (prime v prime) three times, he'd come out the unanimous or majority winner against them all.

The ones that would come closest: Ali, Lewis and Bowe would give Holmes trouble and so would Wlad. I don't have Fury down as a great (yet) but I do believe he'd give Holmes a lot of trouble. There are several other fighters I think would beat Fury though.

An interesting point to highlight is that a prime Larry Holmes, had he cut weight, would have been about 190lbs. So he would almost certainly have been the greatest ever cruiserweight had he chosen to operate at that weight, At his best, he would have been about 10lbs lighter on fight night than the likes of Usyk and Gassiev were at cruiserweight!

Rating fighters on whom you think would win is madness in an historical context.

Generally, maybe, but I've got a >90% success rate in predicting the winner in big cruiserweight/heavyweight matches over 30+ years of keeping note. Don't see why that can't be applied era vs era.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑21 Jan 2021, 06:42 I also have Larry at number one all time. I believe that if he fought all the greats (prime v prime) three times, he'd come out the unanimous or majority winner against them all.

The ones that would come closest: Ali, Lewis and Bowe would give Holmes trouble and so would Wlad. I don't have Fury down as a great (yet) but I do believe he'd give Holmes a lot of trouble. There are several other fighters I think would beat Fury though.

An interesting point to highlight is that a prime Larry Holmes, had he cut weight, would have been about 190lbs. So he would almost certainly have been the greatest ever cruiserweight had he chosen to operate at that weight, At his best, he would have been about 10lbs lighter on fight night than the likes of Usyk and Gassiev were at cruiserweight!

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 06:36 Hagler-Hearns was nowhere near the best fight ever.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 14:55

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 06:36 Hagler-Hearns was nowhere near the best fight ever.

Agree with this 100 percent, hugely overrated fight

Hearns shoots his bolt and loses his legs in like 30 seconds and just gets battered the rest of it.

No knockdowns traded, no dramatic momentum shifts or comeback, etc...lacking too much to be rated as gawdly as it is

Tangerine wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 06:14 Groves beat Badou Jack.

Maidana beat Floyd in the first fight.

Hassan Ndam won the first fight with Ryota Murata.

Lee Selby is the most overated fighter in the country.

brilo33 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2021, 18:58 i think dylan whyte is hyped
i rate hughie fury still think he will win a world title
never really saw the hype in oscar de la hoya

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 06:36 Hagler-Hearns was nowhere near the best fight ever.

jamamb wrote: ↑06 Dec 2017, 17:24 also think ggg is the biggest hype job ever and wouldve been mullered by froch. pretty much any world class smw wouldve beaten him too. groves, jack, degale, prime dirrrll, etc.canelo was a far better boxer against ggg.

GreenLightning wrote: ↑03 Feb 2021, 21:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 06:36 Hagler-Hearns was nowhere near the best fight ever.

Isn't it quoted as the best 3 found right ever, because of the uktra elite calibre of the fighters and their all out non stop attacks from the opening bell

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 06:36 Hagler-Hearns was nowhere near the best fight ever.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Feb 2021, 16:36

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 06:36 Hagler-Hearns was nowhere near the best fight ever.

I don't even think it's the best 3 round fight ever to be honest with ya.

In general lots of fights are better than that. I wouldn't consider Hagler vs Hearns to be one of the 100 greatest fights of all time.

I guess people remember it because you don't see a lot of Superfights where guys just go all out like that, but yeah it's highly overrated.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Feb 2021, 16:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Feb 2021, 16:36

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 06:36 Hagler-Hearns was nowhere near the best fight ever.

I don't even think it's the best 3 round fight ever to be honest with ya.

In general lots of fights are better than that. I wouldn't consider Hagler vs Hearns to be one of the 100 greatest fights of all time.

I guess people remember it because you don't see a lot of Superfights where guys just go all out like that, but yeah it's highly overrated.

I hate the term, but it's the perfect fight for casuals.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Feb 2021, 16:48

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Feb 2021, 16:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Feb 2021, 16:36

I don't even think it's the best 3 round fight ever to be honest with ya.

In general lots of fights are better than that. I wouldn't consider Hagler vs Hearns to be one of the 100 greatest fights of all time.

I guess people remember it because you don't see a lot of Superfights where guys just go all out like that, but yeah it's highly overrated.

I hate the term, but it's the perfect fight for casuals.

The perfect fight for casuals is probably fights that go back and forth and end in a 1 round KO.

Or a 2nd round KO.

Not a lot of those come to mind, but there's been a few.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Feb 2021, 16:58 Yeah, but you're pushing a casuals attention span at that point