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leejonesjnr wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:02 Perhaps Khan really is afraid of Kell Brook. I don’t believe that is the case, but who knows, perhaps Brook at 147 seems more intimidating than Alvarez at 155.
I think that more likely it’s a combination of Khan not liking Brook and the Hatton-not-wanting-Witter-to-get-paid mindset and that now Pac seems to be possible again he really wants a contest with one of the sports icon level stars.

People on here go on like Kell is skint. He earned very, very well in his GGG fight, and Porter and Spence won't have been too bad either. He still knocks about with his old pals and doesn't have any expensive habits or family robbing him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's richer than Khan.

the ref o'connor was shocking doing everything he could to help khan ,it was am exciting fight especially the first 8 rds i had vargas winning more rds than judges or the sky team but khan won even if he looked very shaky at times with a bad engine asa well.

Pugilist-specialist wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:40

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:02 Perhaps Khan really is afraid of Kell Brook. I don’t believe that is the case, but who knows, perhaps Brook at 147 seems more intimidating than Alvarez at 155.
I think that more likely it’s a combination of Khan not liking Brook and the Hatton-not-wanting-Witter-to-get-paid mindset and that now Pac seems to be possible again he really wants a contest with one of the sports icon level stars.

Khan said years ago that Brook was an easy fight for him. If he fought Brook he would have to come off twitter for a year after.
His fear of losing to Brook is what has stopped this fight happening and IMO will continue to do so.

Yeh. Maybe Khan CAN beat Brook.. But Brook acts like he hardly has options. I think Khan would rather have a big payday with Pacquiao and lose rather than a payday loss to Brook..

mickey1975 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:42

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:02 Perhaps Khan really is afraid of Kell Brook. I don’t believe that is the case, but who knows, perhaps Brook at 147 seems more intimidating than Alvarez at 155.
I think that more likely it’s a combination of Khan not liking Brook and the Hatton-not-wanting-Witter-to-get-paid mindset and that now Pac seems to be possible again he really wants a contest with one of the sports icon level stars.

People on here go on like Kell is skint. He earned very, very well in his GGG fight, and Porter and Spence won't have been too bad either. He still knocks about with his old pals and doesn't have any expensive habits or family robbing him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's richer than Khan.

I haven’t noticed any posts about Brooks financials but maybe people do. Why have you quoted my post to say this? It’s not at all related?

Just flicking through the fight now.

Khan isn't scared of Brook, he just has no options if he loses to him.

If Khan fights Pacquaio and loses the Brook fight is still there. It always will be because Brook is so desperate.

Naandrew wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:11 Just flicking through the fight now.

Khan isn't scared of Brook, he just has no options if he loses to him.

If Khan fights Pacquaio and loses the Brook fight is still there. It always will be because Brook is so desperate.

That's what I'm saying. A loss to Pacman in his next fight is less harmful than a loss to Brook..

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 05:49

mickey1975 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:42

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:02 Perhaps Khan really is afraid of Kell Brook. I don’t believe that is the case, but who knows, perhaps Brook at 147 seems more intimidating than Alvarez at 155.
I think that more likely it’s a combination of Khan not liking Brook and the Hatton-not-wanting-Witter-to-get-paid mindset and that now Pac seems to be possible again he really wants a contest with one of the sports icon level stars.

People on here go on like Kell is skint. He earned very, very well in his GGG fight, and Porter and Spence won't have been too bad either. He still knocks about with his old pals and doesn't have any expensive habits or family robbing him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's richer than Khan.

I haven’t noticed any posts about Brooks financials but maybe people do. Why have you quoted my post to say this? It’s not at all related?

Neither is Hatton-Witter then. Kell is a millionaire, Witter wasn’t. Depriving him of a payday will hurt Khan as much.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:20

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 05:49

mickey1975 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 04:42

People on here go on like Kell is skint. He earned very, very well in his GGG fight, and Porter and Spence won't have been too bad either. He still knocks about with his old pals and doesn't have any expensive habits or family robbing him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's richer than Khan.

I haven’t noticed any posts about Brooks financials but maybe people do. Why have you quoted my post to say this? It’s not at all related?

Neither is Hatton-Witter then. Kell is a millionaire, Witter wasn’t. Depriving him of a payday will hurt Khan as much.

Nah, Khan is a big draw whomever he fights (within reason of course), I don’t believe Brook is, he needs a name in the opposite corner to bring in the numbers. In terms of who brings an audience they are probably a little closer but it’s still very easy to see who is ‘Hatton’ and who is ‘Witter’ in this instance.
The Hatton/Witter scenario is very much relevant as a reason that the fight may not go ahead. One has more commercial power and options and doesn’t like the one who doesn’t and who has been repeatedly trying to get the fight by mouthing off.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:20

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 05:49

I haven’t noticed any posts about Brooks financials but maybe people do. Why have you quoted my post to say this? It’s not at all related?

Neither is Hatton-Witter then. Kell is a millionaire, Witter wasn’t. Depriving him of a payday will hurt Khan as much.

Nah, Khan is a big draw whomever he fights (within reason of course), I don’t believe Brook is, he needs a name in the opposite corner to bring in the numbers. In terms of who brings an audience they are probably a little closer but it’s still very easy to see who is ‘Hatton’ and who is ‘Witter’ in this instance.
The Hatton/Witter scenario is very much relevant as a reason that the fight may not go ahead. One has more commercial power and options and doesn’t like the one who doesn’t and who has been repeatedly trying to get the fight by mouthing off.

100%

Naandrew wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:11 Just flicking through the fight now.

Khan isn't scared of Brook, he just has no options if he loses to him.

If Khan fights Pacquaio and loses the Brook fight is still there. It always will be because Brook is so desperate.

I don't think the Brook fight will always be there for Khan. If he was to fight Pac or anyone else and loses then that further taints the value of the fight. I'm a big believer in striking while the iron is hot. Dont let it diminish any further. If it's going to happen it has to happen now IMO.

Stuarty wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 10:13

Naandrew wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:11 Just flicking through the fight now.

Khan isn't scared of Brook, he just has no options if he loses to him.

If Khan fights Pacquaio and loses the Brook fight is still there. It always will be because Brook is so desperate.

I don't think the Brook fight will always be there for Khan. If he was to fight Pac or anyone else and loses then that further taints the value of the fight. I'm a big believer in striking while the iron is hot. Dont let it diminish any further. If it's going to happen it has to happen now IMO.

As I said. Khan would rather have a loss to Pacman that give that satisfaction to Brook.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 10:53

Stuarty wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 10:13

Naandrew wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:11 Just flicking through the fight now.

Khan isn't scared of Brook, he just has no options if he loses to him.

If Khan fights Pacquaio and loses the Brook fight is still there. It always will be because Brook is so desperate.

I don't think the Brook fight will always be there for Khan. If he was to fight Pac or anyone else and loses then that further taints the value of the fight. I'm a big believer in striking while the iron is hot. Dont let it diminish any further. If it's going to happen it has to happen now IMO.

As I said. Khan would rather have a loss to Pacman that give that satisfaction to Brook.

Personally I just want to see Brook lay Khan out!

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:14

Naandrew wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 06:11 Just flicking through the fight now.

Khan isn't scared of Brook, he just has no options if he loses to him.

If Khan fights Pacquaio and loses the Brook fight is still there. It always will be because Brook is so desperate.

That's what I'm saying. A loss to Pacman in his next fight is less harmful than a loss to Brook..

If Khan lost to Pacman then the chances of a Brook fight are slim simply because Khan overvalues himself and wouldn't take a lesser payday post Pacman.

Interesting to see what Brook has left, he had 2 real beatings, the sort that shorten careers and often end them.
However he did look really good against a decent opponent last time out.

For me peak for peak I would pick Khan, now it's who has most left which is difficult to judge, both
have only lost to real quality

Stuarty wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 10:55

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 10:53

Stuarty wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 10:13

I don't think the Brook fight will always be there for Khan. If he was to fight Pac or anyone else and loses then that further taints the value of the fight. I'm a big believer in striking while the iron is hot. Dont let it diminish any further. If it's going to happen it has to happen now IMO.

As I said. Khan would rather have a loss to Pacman that give that satisfaction to Brook.

Personally I just want to see Brook lay Khan out!

I think you're right. Brook is just too accurate not to find the chin.

Coco wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 11:58 Interesting to see what Brook has left, he had 2 real beatings, the sort that shorten careers and often end them.
However he did look really good against a decent opponent last time out.

For me peak for peak I would pick Khan, now it's who has most left which is difficult to judge, both
have only lost to real quality

Peak for peak, I’d take Brook any day. Khan is just way too chinny.

Coco wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 11:58 Interesting to see what Brook has left, he had 2 real beatings, the sort that shorten careers and often end them.
However he did look really good against a decent opponent last time out.

For me peak for peak I would pick Khan, now it's who has most left which is difficult to judge, both
have only lost to real quality

Prescott isn’t real quality.

id go broo prme for prme too. which actually made me realise how shocking much of his career has been. him and amir are same age and both been pro around same time. and to me broos at least as good. yet amir just been in way more meaningful interesting fights and been matched way better.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 12:28

Coco wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 11:58 Interesting to see what Brook has left, he had 2 real beatings, the sort that shorten careers and often end them.
However he did look really good against a decent opponent last time out.

For me peak for peak I would pick Khan, now it's who has most left which is difficult to judge, both
have only lost to real quality

Prescott isn’t real quality.

I forgot about him!

jamamb wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 12:33 id go broo prme for prme too. which actually made me realise how shocking much of his career has been. him and amir are same age and both been pro around same time. and to me broos at least as good. yet amir just been in way more meaningful interesting fights and been matched way better.

Really good point.

Coco wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 11:58
For me peak for peak I would pick Khan, now it's who has most left which is difficult to judge, both
have only lost to real quality

There shouldn’t be anyone what should not pick Khan ‘peak for peak’..

Coco wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 12:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 12:28

Coco wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 11:58 Interesting to see what Brook has left, he had 2 real beatings, the sort that shorten careers and often end them.
However he did look really good against a decent opponent last time out.

For me peak for peak I would pick Khan, now it's who has most left which is difficult to judge, both
have only lost to real quality

Prescott isn’t real quality.

I forgot about him!

That was early in his career though. Before he was even a world champion.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 13:41

Coco wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 11:58
For me peak for peak I would pick Khan, now it's who has most left which is difficult to judge, both
have only lost to real quality

There shouldn’t be anyone what should not pick Khan ‘peak for peak’..

dont agree at all, resume doesnt equally ability and imo you can defo make a good case that at there primes brook was better and wouldve beat khan. for me brooks timing was world class and i think he had the tools, the strength and skill, to counteract khans speed and beat him

but like i said earlier, brook had so many years of lacklustre fights, where khan had the type of high value career schedule where he really imo was able to achieve as much as his talent would let him. i dont think thats at all true of brook even though i think he was as good as khan....porter w was very nice but that among a lot of bleh stuf

jamamb wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 14:02

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 13:41

Coco wrote: ↑09 Sep 2018, 11:58
For me peak for peak I would pick Khan, now it's who has most left which is difficult to judge, both
have only lost to real quality

There shouldn’t be anyone what should not pick Khan ‘peak for peak’..

dont agree at all, resume doesnt equally ability and imo you can defo make a good cade that his at primes brook was better and wouldve beat khan. for me brooks timing was world class and i think he had the tools, the strength and skill, to counteract khans speed and beat him

but like i said earlier, brook had so many years of lacklustre fights, where khan had the type of careee schedule where he really imo was able to achieve as much as his talent would let him. i dont think thats at all true of brook even though i really rate the porter win

Brook missed out a lot.. he could have been challenging for world titles in 2012.. instead he was fighting for the WBO continental belt.. injuries didnt help.. not sure if there was an promotional disputes when he moved to Hearn.

Brook used to fight on Amir Khan undercards.