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ya pretty sure most think garcias getting dominated, i wont rate it as that good of a win for spence

Breaducce wrote: ↑15 Feb 2019, 02:24 Anyone picking Mikey to win just remember one thing. Keep it consistent and show the same energy when the fight is done. When Errol finishes beating the crap out of Mikey I don't want to hear any excuses about size or weight because Mikey is supposedly a threat to Errol. So given that Mikey is such a threat to Errol, when he loses the fight Errol should be given serious credit for the win, although I doubt that will happen. Anyone thinking Mikey is going to out box Spence or UD him over 12 rounds is in for a boxing lesson along with Mikey.

I’ll agree to that deal. I’m not a Mikey fan at all but do appreciate him having a huge sack for pushing for this fight. One thing that Errol fans have to agree to also is that they won’t bitch when the judges give a close fight to Mikey on the cards then because Judges are going to be very favorable to him in those close rounds because of underdog effect. Plus judges always score his fights favorably.

Mikey’s Best weight is superfeather iMo.

He shouldn’t be anywhere near welterweight. I’m not even so excited for this fight because of the huge size discrepancy. Fights against Lomachenko and Davis are the fight I want to see Mikey in.

But mad respect to him for taking this fight.

PED-mikey will be better than people think but still too much of a strength deficit

I think that we all agree that Mikey is elite from a technical standpoint right? One would even say that he’s far more technically sound than Spence who has clearly shown that he’s defensively flawed. Spence is also a boxer that does not fight frequently. So it all comes down to the question: does Mikey have the technical skill to offset Spence’s advantages.

I think that Mikey knows something that we all don’t, including Spence. It’s enough intrigue to me to bet Mikey. I could be dead wrong but I’m putting my money on the Garcia team over the idiots running the Charles and Spence.

Spence will win.

He's too talented, too strong for even a fighter as good as Garcia.

Smaller guys coming up usually have one advantage--speed. But I think Spence is faster.

So what does Garcia have in his repertoire to upend Spence? Little.

Some keep shouting that "Mikey must know something" to take this bout with the bigger man.

All he knows is that he'll be earning a career high paycheck. That's what it comes down to.

And Garcia's reputation won't be hurt in a defeat to a man who is 2 weight divisions heavier.

It's Spence who is taking the risk. A loss to Garcia would be catastrophic in terms of credibility as one of boxing's best.

But Spence will come through. Too big, strong and talented.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 10:13 I think that we all agree that Mikey is elite from a technical standpoint right? One would even say that he’s far more technically sound than Spence who has clearly shown that he’s defensively flawed. Spence is also a boxer that does not fight frequently. So it all comes down to the question: does Mikey have the technical skill to offset Spence’s advantages.

I think that Mikey knows something that we all don’t, including Spence. It’s enough intrigue to me to bet Mikey. I could be dead wrong but I’m putting my money on the Garcia team over the idiots running the Charles and Spence.

He's definitely elite, so is Spence. Errol will be faster as well as stronger. Mikey will give a great effort but he's going down.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 11:11 Spence will win.

He's too talented, too strong for even a fighter as good as Garcia.

Smaller guys coming up usually have one advantage--speed. But I think Spence is faster.

So what does Garcia have in his repertoire to upend Spence? Little.

Some keep shouting that "Mikey must know something" to take this bout with the bigger man.

All he knows is that he'll be earning a career high paycheck. That's what it comes down to.

And Garcia's reputation won't be hurt in a defeat to a man who is 2 weight divisions heavier.

It's Spence who is taking the risk. A loss to Garcia would be catastrophic in terms of credibility as one of boxing's best.

But Spence will come through. Too big, strong and talented.

Spence isn't faster. I think that's a myth placed on him maybe out of stereotype but Mikey definitely has faster hands and moves better than Spence.

IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

They're both great. I'm watching my sister's dog and my brother in law told me he's got a buddy with a skybox.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 06:33

Breaducce wrote: ↑15 Feb 2019, 02:24 Anyone picking Mikey to win just remember one thing. Keep it consistent and show the same energy when the fight is done. When Errol finishes beating the crap out of Mikey I don't want to hear any excuses about size or weight because Mikey is supposedly a threat to Errol. So given that Mikey is such a threat to Errol, when he loses the fight Errol should be given serious credit for the win, although I doubt that will happen. Anyone thinking Mikey is going to out box Spence or UD him over 12 rounds is in for a boxing lesson along with Mikey.

I’ll agree to that deal. I’m not a Mikey fan at all but do appreciate him having a huge sack for pushing for this fight. One thing that Errol fans have to agree to also is that they won’t bitch when the judges give a close fight to Mikey on the cards then because Judges are going to be very favorable to him in those close rounds because of underdog effect. Plus judges always score his fights favorably.

Fair enough and we are in agreement. See that's all I want consistency.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:21 IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

So only Mikey can get credit from a win in your eyes. I think that is nonsense. Their are a number of reasons that this Fight makes sense and one of them is that Mikey is already a great fighter. Spence should get credit for a win over a top p4p fighter who has already won a title one division lower then he will be fighting Spence.

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:21 IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

So only Mikey can get credit from a win in your eyes. I think that is nonsense. Their are a number of reasons that this Fight makes sense and one of them is that Mikey is already a great fighter. Spence should get credit for a win over a top p4p fighter who has already won a title one division lower then he will be fighting Spence.

No, I'm saying that Mikey is taking all the risk here. If Spence wins, he was supposed to win (look at the poll, for instance). If Mikey wins he overcomes several key factors.

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:21 IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

So only Mikey can get credit from a win in your eyes. I think that is nonsense. Their are a number of reasons that this Fight makes sense and one of them is that Mikey is already a great fighter. Spence should get credit for a win over a top p4p fighter who has already won a title one division lower then he will be fighting Spence.

I'd bet large on Mikey against thurman

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:20 I'd bet large on Mikey against thurman

Absolutely!

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 12:46

SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 11:11 Spence will win.

He's too talented, too strong for even a fighter as good as Garcia.

Smaller guys coming up usually have one advantage--speed. But I think Spence is faster.

So what does Garcia have in his repertoire to upend Spence? Little.

Some keep shouting that "Mikey must know something" to take this bout with the bigger man.

All he knows is that he'll be earning a career high paycheck. That's what it comes down to.

And Garcia's reputation won't be hurt in a defeat to a man who is 2 weight divisions heavier.

It's Spence who is taking the risk. A loss to Garcia would be catastrophic in terms of credibility as one of boxing's best.

But Spence will come through. Too big, strong and talented.

Spence isn't faster. I think that's a myth placed on him maybe out of stereotype but Mikey definitely has faster hands and moves better than Spence.

Given the size discrepancy if Garcia has a hand speed advantage it will be minimal at best, but Spence's strength and power advantage will be significant. Also, I disagree that he moves better then Spence, Garcia and Spence both have non flashy technical educated feet, the only difference is that Spence is much more athletic then Garcia making his movement more explosive. Garcia is a little better counter puncher then Spence, but Spence has better punch variation and a more dynamic offense, meaning there is no position that Garcia is safe in this fight. Also, Spence is more durable then Garcia as he has faced a bigger puncher in Kell Brook and not hurt or been dropped, whereas Garcia was dropped by Roman Martinez. The only knock on Spence is he does not move his head as much as he should, but he still has good defense and does not take excessive punishment in any of his fights. Also their is a question on how the weight will effect Garcia's stamina because Spence gets better as the fight goes to the later rounds.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:08

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:21 IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

So only Mikey can get credit from a win in your eyes. I think that is nonsense. Their are a number of reasons that this Fight makes sense and one of them is that Mikey is already a great fighter. Spence should get credit for a win over a top p4p fighter who has already won a title one division lower then he will be fighting Spence.

No, I'm saying that Mikey is taking all the risk here. If Spence wins, he was supposed to win (look at the poll, for instance). If Mikey wins he overcomes several key factors.

I don't see it that way. Spence is taking all of the risk. If Spences loses it will tarnish his record because he lost to the smaller man he is suppose to beat. Mikey, on the other hand, already has a built in excuse for why he will lose this fight because Spence is bigger and is suppose to win.

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:24

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:08

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:21 IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

So only Mikey can get credit from a win in your eyes. I think that is nonsense. Their are a number of reasons that this Fight makes sense and one of them is that Mikey is already a great fighter. Spence should get credit for a win over a top p4p fighter who has already won a title one division lower then he will be fighting Spence.

No, I'm saying that Mikey is taking all the risk here. If Spence wins, he was supposed to win (look at the poll, for instance). If Mikey wins he overcomes several key factors.

I don't see it that way. Spence is taking all of the risk. If Spences loses it will tarnish his record because he lost to the smaller man he is suppose to beat. Mikey, on the other hand, already has a built in excuse for why he will lose this fight because Spence is bigger and is suppose to win.

You just stated the same thing from the other corner. I think we are really agreeing for the most part. Mikey is taking the greater physical risks; and Spence the greater reputation risks.

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:24

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:08

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:21 IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

So only Mikey can get credit from a win in your eyes. I think that is nonsense. Their are a number of reasons that this Fight makes sense and one of them is that Mikey is already a great fighter. Spence should get credit for a win over a top p4p fighter who has already won a title one division lower then he will be fighting Spence.

No, I'm saying that Mikey is taking all the risk here. If Spence wins, he was supposed to win (look at the poll, for instance). If Mikey wins he overcomes several key factors.

I don't see it that way. Spence is taking all of the risk. If Spences loses it will tarnish his record because he lost to the smaller man he is suppose to beat. Mikey, on the other hand, already has a built in excuse for why he will lose this fight because Spence is bigger and is suppose to win.

Agree that only Errol has something to lose. Mikey is fighting with house money.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:28

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:24

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:08

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:21 IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

So only Mikey can get credit from a win in your eyes. I think that is nonsense. Their are a number of reasons that this Fight makes sense and one of them is that Mikey is already a great fighter. Spence should get credit for a win over a top p4p fighter who has already won a title one division lower then he will be fighting Spence.

No, I'm saying that Mikey is taking all the risk here. If Spence wins, he was supposed to win (look at the poll, for instance). If Mikey wins he overcomes several key factors.

I don't see it that way. Spence is taking all of the risk. If Spences loses it will tarnish his record because he lost to the smaller man he is suppose to beat. Mikey, on the other hand, already has a built in excuse for why he will lose this fight because Spence is bigger and is suppose to win.

You just stated the same thing from the other corner. I think we are really agreeing for the most part. Mikey is taking the greater physical risks; and Spence the greater reputation risks.

Yea Fair enough. The question then becomes how valid are those narratives. Should Spence get no credit if he beats Mikey at 147 because Mikey is smaller? I mean Mikey has a title at 140, is a p4p talent in his prime, and he was the one who asked for this fight, not Spence. I am just questioning the notion that Mikey should have everything to gain reputationally over Spence because in my opinion I think it would a really good win for Spences resume.

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:42

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:28

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:24

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:08

Breaducce wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 14:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:21 IMHO, we're going to find out if Mikey is really great or not. If Spence wins, I don't see it as anything other than the bigger guy won.

So only Mikey can get credit from a win in your eyes. I think that is nonsense. Their are a number of reasons that this Fight makes sense and one of them is that Mikey is already a great fighter. Spence should get credit for a win over a top p4p fighter who has already won a title one division lower then he will be fighting Spence.

No, I'm saying that Mikey is taking all the risk here. If Spence wins, he was supposed to win (look at the poll, for instance). If Mikey wins he overcomes several key factors.

I don't see it that way. Spence is taking all of the risk. If Spences loses it will tarnish his record because he lost to the smaller man he is suppose to beat. Mikey, on the other hand, already has a built in excuse for why he will lose this fight because Spence is bigger and is suppose to win.

You just stated the same thing from the other corner. I think we are really agreeing for the most part. Mikey is taking the greater physical risks; and Spence the greater reputation risks.

Yea Fair enough. The question then becomes how valid are those narratives. Should Spence get no credit if he beats Mikey at 147 because Mikey is smaller? I mean Mikey has a title at 140, is a p4p talent in his prime, and he was the one who asked for this fight, not Spence. I am just questioning the notion that Mikey should have everything to gain reputationally over Spence because in my opinion I think it would a really good win for Spences resume.

It would be a good win for Spence or a terrible loss.
It would be a defining win for Mikey, or an acceptable loss.

Risk/Reward clearly in Garcia's favor.

You're right, modern boxing fans don't understand weight. Even knowledgeable ones, that's how I made several thousand dollars on PAC/dlh, even being mocked after the weigh in by thousands saying Oscar looked good. It's a tricky thing, I suppose if you've never dropped 12 pounds in 24 hours eating 2 almonds and 2 apple slices while you spit your spit in a cup you just can't comprehend it.

Should Spence win, of course he'll receive limited praise considering he whipped a man who last fought at lightweight.

"Big deal, he beat a little guy" the critics will cry in unison.

But maybe a Spence victory will eventually be held in a brighter light.

What if Garcia remains at welter afterward and begins to defeat some ranking 147 pounders? It's very possible.

Suddenly in retrospect, Spence's achievement will be recognized as something special, rather than just an expected, routine win over a small guy.

The old truism.

A good big 'un beats a good littl' un.