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Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:47 I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

It's not that we don't begrudge their ability to maximize purses, it's the BS of them saying they want to fight each other when that is clearly not the case. Fighters can demand their backers make the fights. The good old days are gone forever.

A lot of big fights never happen. I think wilder and Joshua both want it. I don't think Eddie is too keen for it.

It's a high risk fight, for sure.

But to be fair to Hearn, irrespective of what people say about him, he's trying to get the relevant people round a table to discuss it. Absolutely no doubt about it.

There is a delusional perspective of what the Wilder side think he is worth, and they are not prepared to budge on that.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:56

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:47 I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

It's not that we don't begrudge their ability to maximize purses, it's the BS of them saying they want to fight each other when that is clearly not the case. Fighters can demand their backers make the fights. The good old days are gone forever.

A lot of big fights never happen. I think wilder and Joshua both want it. I don't think Eddie is too keen for it.

It's a high risk fight, for sure.

But to be fair to Hearn, irrespective of what people say about him, he's trying to get the relevant people round a table to discuss it. Absolutely no doubt about it.

There is a delusional perspective of what the Wilder side think he is worth, and they are not prepared to budge on that.

To be fair, that's one side of it. If Hearn wants to make this fight, then why is he petitioning the WBC to make Whyte the next WBC mandatory for Wilder? Doesn't that get in the way of making an AJ/Wilder fight? They are all full of the proverbial shvt.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:56

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:47 I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

It's not that we don't begrudge their ability to maximize purses, it's the BS of them saying they want to fight each other when that is clearly not the case. Fighters can demand their backers make the fights. The good old days are gone forever.

A lot of big fights never happen. I think wilder and Joshua both want it. I don't think Eddie is too keen for it.

It's a high risk fight, for sure.

But to be fair to Hearn, irrespective of what people say about him, he's trying to get the relevant people round a table to discuss it. Absolutely no doubt about it.

There is a delusional perspective of what the Wilder side think he is worth, and they are not prepared to budge on that.

I love Eddie, he's great for me as a fan but this dude wants to pay farmer 5 million to fight Davis. I'd want more than 40 if I was wilder too. Definitely for the rematch.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 18:31

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:56

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Mar 2019, 17:47 I don't disagree, but if fox and CBS want to pay I won't scoff at wilder for it. Same as I didn't with fury.

It's not that we don't begrudge their ability to maximize purses, it's the BS of them saying they want to fight each other when that is clearly not the case. Fighters can demand their backers make the fights. The good old days are gone forever.

A lot of big fights never happen. I think wilder and Joshua both want it. I don't think Eddie is too keen for it.

It's a high risk fight, for sure.

But to be fair to Hearn, irrespective of what people say about him, he's trying to get the relevant people round a table to discuss it. Absolutely no doubt about it.

There is a delusional perspective of what the Wilder side think he is worth, and they are not prepared to budge on that.

I love Eddie, he's great for me as a fan but this dude wants to pay farmer 5 million to fight Davis. I'd want more than 40 if I was wilder too. Definitely for the rematch.

Wilder may well want more than 40 million, but I'd love to see his math.

It's well documented that Joshua's earning potential is very high, whereas it is equally well documented that Wilder's earning potential is very poor.

There's a few things which have to be taken into consideration in the balancing scales. 1) where would the fight take place? US or UK? 2) What are the split of the belts? Joshua has four (well 3.5) , Wilder has one. 3) What would the split be? 50:50/60:40/lump sum?

Let's look at things a little closely:

Typically Joshua is selling circa 90,000 tickets in giant stadiums, and doing big PPV sales. The earning potential of a fight in the UK is humongous. Will in my opinion easily eclipse the Klitschko fight. Wilder on the other hand is still fighting on and off of PPV, has little exposure (compared to Joshua in the UK) and generally is still fighting in medium sized arena's, which are not always sold out.

Joshua has very proactively collected 4 out the 5 available world belts. He certainly is putting much much more on the line from a sporting perspective than Wilder. Does this genuinely have a bearing of this fight being made? From a legacy perspective, yes. The winner of this fight will be the first heavyweight to hold all 5 belts in one go. It would cement that person in the history books forever.

Finally, taking into account points 1) and 2) where does that leave us in a share of the spoils? Wilder should in all honesty consider himself pretty lucky to be getting the offers he is. Is it fair to say that Wilder has been offered a 40% split? Is it fair to say that Joshua would take that fight in the US? How many concessions has Wilder made to make this fight a possibility/reality?

I think any intelligent man (or woman) can see there is an unbalanced equation here, which see's one get rich off the back of another persons success.

No question Joshua is the bigger earner. But if dazn is flinging around money so irresponsibly than go for it. Wilder is easily 20 times the earner that farmer is. And if he hypothetically iced Josh in the first fight he should get more than he did in the first for the rematch. The logistics of where the fight earns more is complicated. Have to get into currency rates and much higher ticket and ppv prices here. We've never had an afternoon ppv.

finkel said they liked the offer but part of the reason they turned it down is because they didnt know what josh was being paid and it would be unfair if he got way way more

“We asked how much is Joshua getting, and we were never told the answer,” Finkel said to the Los Angeles Times. “What they offered sounded good, but it might not sound so good if the other guy is getting double or triple it, and we never knew what that number was.”

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 11:48 finkel said they liked the offer but part of the reason they turned it down is because they didnt know what josh was being paid and it would be unfair if he got way way more

“We asked how much is Joshua getting, and we were never told the answer,” Finkel said to the Los Angeles Times. “What they offered sounded good, but it might not sound so good if the other guy is getting double or triple it, and we never knew what that number was.”

Utter madness. He's already cost Wilder ~$18m, purely from being overly concerned about what some other guy might be earning. This is after Wilder has already proven he's not a draw in his own country, even with a top opponent in the opposite corner.

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 11:48 finkel said they liked the offer but part of the reason they turned it down is because they didnt know what josh was being paid and it would be unfair if he got way way more

“We asked how much is Joshua getting, and we were never told the answer,” Finkel said to the Los Angeles Times. “What they offered sounded good, but it might not sound so good if the other guy is getting double or triple it, and we never knew what that number was.”

What on earth does it matter what Joshua is earning? How on earth can it be considered 'unfair' that he's paid less? He's been paid less his whole career thus far than Joshua, what logic is him all of a sudden getting evens?

If he wants to pass up a $100 million deal based on that fact, then he's more stupid than I ever gave him credit for.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 16:15

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 11:48 finkel said they liked the offer but part of the reason they turned it down is because they didnt know what josh was being paid and it would be unfair if he got way way more

“We asked how much is Joshua getting, and we were never told the answer,” Finkel said to the Los Angeles Times. “What they offered sounded good, but it might not sound so good if the other guy is getting double or triple it, and we never knew what that number was.”

What on earth does it matter what Joshua is earning? How on earth can it be considered 'unfair' that he's paid less? He's been paid less his whole career thus far than Joshua, what logic is him all of a sudden getting evens?

If he wants to pass up a $100 million deal based on that fact, then he's more stupid than I ever gave him credit for.

I don't see anyone knocking Whyte for turning down $5 million and now he has zero. So Whyte is brilliant and Wilder is an idiot? We don't know what kind of deal he's getting from Showtime do we? I agree the opponent's dollar amount is all about pride and not business, and to turn down 100 million with nothing on the table (so far as we know) sounds pretty silly, but again we don't know what deal Wilder has in place or is getting. Shvt! We don't even know how much he's getting for facing Breazeale!

People, myself included, thought PAC was crazy to turn down 40 million flat for Floyd.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 16:21 People, myself included, thought PAC was crazy to turn down 40 million flat for Floyd.

FLOYD GOT 60%=$250 MILLION MANNY GOT 40%=$165 MILLION HAYMON delivered for those guys.

dickbelden wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 16:52

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Mar 2019, 16:21 People, myself included, thought PAC was crazy to turn down 40 million flat for Floyd.

FLOYD GOT 60%=$250 MILLION MANNY GOT 40%=$165 MILLION HAYMON delivered for those guys.