Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019

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If Sometimes Thurman gets beaten by ol' Pac then he could call it a day and play on the flute as much as he wishes.

He said he’d retire if he lost. It would only be his first loss.

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The size advantage Keith Thurman thinks will serve him well Saturday night was on full display Friday afternoon.

The taller Thurman looked down at Pacquiao as they stood face-to-face following their weigh-in at MGM Grand Garden Arena. Thurman and Pacquiao were the same weight moments earlier, however, when they stepped on the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s scale.

Thurman, of Clearwater, Florida, and Pacquiao, of General Santos City, Philippines, each officially weighed in at 146½ pounds.

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undercard weights

Omar Figueroa Jr. (28-0-1, 19 KOs), Weslaco, Texas, 147 pounds vs. Yordenis Ugas (23-4, 11 KOs), Miami, Florida, 147 pounds, 12 rounds, WBC welterweight elimination match.

Sergey Lipinets (15-1, 11 KOs), Martuk, Kazakhstan, 147 pounds vs. Javar Inson (18-2, 12 KOs), Davan City, Philippines, 147 pounds, 10 rounds for the WBO intercontinental welterweight title.

Luis Nery (29-0, 23 KOs, 1 NC), Tijuana, Mexico, 118½ pounds vs. Juan Carlos Payano (21-2, 9 KOs), La Vega, Dominican Republic, 117½ pounds, 12 rounds for the WBC silver bantamweight title. Nery was granted one hour by the NSAC to return to the scale at the 118-pound limit for their fight.

Caleb Plant (18-0, 10 KOs), Ashland City, Tennessee, 168 pounds vs. Mike Lee (21-0, 11 KOs), Wheaton, Illinois, 167 pounds, 12 rounds for Plant’s IBF super middleweight title.

Efe Ajagba (10-0, 9 KOs), Ughelli, Nigeria, 242 pounds vs. Ali Eren Demirezen (11-0, 10 KOs), Samsun, Turkey, 247½ pounds, 10 rounds, heavyweights.

The Plant-Lee and Ajagba-Demirezen fights will be broadcast by FOX, before the action shifts to FOX Sports Pay-Per-View.

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Thurman’s eyes !

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Prelims will be live on Youtube!!

[jpspice]

I think Thurman has the age advantage and the skills to beat Manny. Especially if he fights defensively and closes out the rounds convincingly. The question in my mind is what is he going to do when he gets hit by Pacman. Manny went to the body well against Broner and hurt him early. The way Thurman sounds, he doesn't seem to be planning on hanging around in boxing for too long. This is a big pay day for him and he should be grateful for the chance. But....if he starts feeling the hurt will he battle back gallantly,or, cover up- ride it out- and collect the paycheck. Manny's gonna make him fight to win.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Las Vegas used to be Pac's adopted hometown. At least for boxing.

Couldn't lose there. At least until he started losing

- Got robbed on an admitted scoring error in the first JMM fight not to mention the fight coulda been stopped in the opening rd.

Robbed on a missed KD in the 2nd that would give him a clear UD and that fight coulda been stopped when JMM had to be turned around and guided to his corner after that KD.

Don't think Thurman sees himself as black. Doogie at Ring tight with him called him a fellow mixed Rican, so as far as your assertions black fighters don't sell any more, well they don't fight, they spoil. Top black heavy Big Baby was coming on but got popped, and then Washington the next highest trying to stay in the top 20 .

Top LH Ward retired only because Duva let him take all the $$$ in the kov fight. Nobody cared for him because all he did was foul and stink. These used to be the top 2 div for American blacks and middle equally barren save for Jacobs who has some popularity.

Spence is growing , and you know Haymon has his eyes set on big Vegas Manny fight for him.

Last 6 fights Manny fought two p4pers back to back and stiffer comp and did it in between shoulder surgery. The last 3 of Thurman shows his new 2.0 run and stink version. Don't think he can beat 40 yr old Manny or win any fans, but if he makes it to the finish the judges will huddle for a craps shoot.

He don't know it yet, but he and pooch belly Toby and Enfeebled One are on Man or Mouse Time now!

VADA enrolled baby!

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Roach said Broner is better than Thurman, and Pac dominated Broner!


Okay, Pac dominated Broner, but Broner is not better than Thurman.

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Thurman’s eyes !

Pac having fun, as always.

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Roach said Broner is better than Thurman, and Pac dominated Broner!


Okay, Pac dominated Broner, but Broner is not better than Thurman.

Roach being Roach.

Broner is better than Josesito.

[SenorPipino]

Roach said Broner is better than Thurman, and Pac dominated Broner!


Okay, Pac dominated Broner, but Broner is not better than Thurman.

Roach being Roach.

Broner is better than Josesito.

But he might lose to him.

Lopez is a wee bit more active with his hands in a fight. Judges like that.

[ironbeard]

Roach being Roach.

Broner is better than Josesito.

But he might lose to him.

Lopez is a wee bit more active with his hands in a fight. Judges like that.

I would love to see Josesito beat Broner. I do not think that would be the result.

[SenorPipino]

But he might lose to him.

Lopez is a wee bit more active with his hands in a fight. Judges like that.

I would love to see Josesito beat Broner. I do not think that would be the result.

Close fight.

Everyone knows that Broner has skills but that's meaningless if you throw just 20 punches a round and land 6.

The aggressive Lopez who fought Thurman and never stopped trying, would outpoint the typically lethargic Broner.

[ironbeard]

I would love to see Josesito beat Broner. I do not think that would be the result.

Close fight.

Everyone knows that Broner has skills but that's meaningless if you throw just 20 punches a round and land 6.

The aggressive Lopez who fought Thurman and never stopped trying, would outpoint the typically lethargic Broner.

Maybe, but I think that Broner stops him late, brutally.

[IKSRTFO]

He has more to gain in a win for the promoters than Pacquiao does.

Black fighters just don't sell well these days.

Pacquiao will always have his Filipino fan base coming out to support him.

Even today he attracted around 400,00 buys for his Broner bout.

Would Thurman, even with a win over Pacquiao, come close to matching that number?

Probably few than half.

There's more total money to be made with Thurman. Pacquiao only has 1-2 fights/years left in him and likely would only fight 1 out of the top welters(Spence, Crawford, Garcia, Porter). Thurman has at least 5 fights left, could still fight Spence and Crawford while rematching Garcia and Porter and could even move up to 154.

[gilgamesh]

Black fighters just don't sell well these days.

Pacquiao will always have his Filipino fan base coming out to support him.

Even today he attracted around 400,00 buys for his Broner bout.

Would Thurman, even with a win over Pacquiao, come close to matching that number?

Probably few than half.

There's more total money to be made with Thurman. Pacquiao only has 1-2 fights/years left in him and likely would only fight 1 out of the top welters(Spence, Crawford, Garcia, Porter). Thurman has at least 5 fights left, could still fight Spence and Crawford while rematching Garcia and Porter and could even move up to 154.

This would definitely be true the majority of the time, and there's no real reason to believe it's not true in this case, but to be honest with you I just have a gut feeling that Thurman won't fight too much longer either. It wouldn't be the most shocking thing in the world to me if he retired with a victory here honestly.

Though he does take 1 more in all likelihood, I think it'll be harder and harder for him to want to keep doing this after this bout. His heart hasn't been in it the same in recent years anyway, and this is honestly the biggest, winnable fight he can ever get himself involved in.

I don't think he'll ever be too keen on fighting Spence.

[NateJR]

I was off on this one. Pacquiao turned back the clock and pulled off a clean victory over Thurman. Although I dont think Thurman is the same fighter he was against the likes of Porter or Garcia, but he seemed to have got rid of most of the ring rust against Lopez and was at least 85% of his former self.

I think it's safe to say a prime Pacquaio would have stopped Thurman , but I still feel Thurman would have beaten last night's version of Pacquaio prior to his 2 year layoff.

[SenorPipino]

I was off on this one. Pacquiao turned back the clock and pulled off a clean victory over Thurman. Although I dont think Thurman is the same fighter he was against the likes of Porter or Garcia, but he seemed to have got rid of most of the ring rust against Lopez and was at least 85% of his former self.

I think it's safe to say a prime Pacquaio would have stopped Thurman , but I still feel Thurman would have beaten last night's version of Pacquaio prior to his 2 year layoff.

I don't think that it's safe to say.

Pacquiao has never been a big banger at welterweight. His KOs have been confined to a finished ODLH and a last minute stoppage of a weight drained Cotto 10 years ago.

Since then only a knockout of worn out Matthysse.

Maybe a prime Pacquiao decisions Thurman more convincingly. But a knockout win would never have been in the cards.

[boxing_rocks]

Thurman was in some kind of trouble in round 10, probably hurt by a body shot, so stoppage by a younger version of Manny would be very possible.

[oogiebe]

Thurman was in some kind of trouble in round 10, probably hurt by a body shot, so stoppage by a younger version of Manny would be very possible.

I think that's 'safe to say' yes. LOL!

[KiwiRider]

Thurman was in some kind of trouble in round 10, probably hurt by a body shot, so stoppage by a younger version of Manny would be very possible.

True. Or one more landed shot to the liver by the current Pac. It was touch and go for half a minute. I think chances are old Pac and Pac of old could have stopped him during that crisis.

[SenorPipino]

And maybe a more prime version of Thurman does a better job of avoiding trouble and dishing out his own punishment.

Thurman has been hurt before and always escaped. Very resilient and tough.

Possibly he wouldn't survive against Spence. But Pac's KO resume indicates that he never would have stopped Thurman.