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Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 05:53

Nondescript wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 05:49 I don't think Wilder is as bad a boxer as he's made out to be. Sure, he gets outboxed a lot of the time, but it's never to the degree whereby he's getting hit from pillar to post.

He tends to get outboxed but it's never by huge margins within each round.

Even when you look at the Fury fight, he was getting outboxed, but he never really absorbed much damage.

Again though, that’s cos of his right hand equaliser. Even if someone can easily outbox him, they have to remain extremely cautious. If he didn’t have that, he wouldn’t even be in the top 200.

coneye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 06:12 Wilders boxing has improved a lot , of course Ruiz was well ahead i had him 5 rnds ahead ,, But he was getting out scored , not beat up ,, his defence has improved a lot ,, but most of all he's now picking his shots and setting them up , he showedd a remarkable amount of pateince , the winging and swinging widly was ,nt hapening and he shown confidence and patience ,, plus his conditioning was looking better than in the past .

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 06:21

coneye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 06:12 Wilders boxing has improved a lot , of course Ruiz was well ahead i had him 5 rnds ahead ,, But he was getting out scored , not beat up ,, his defence has improved a lot ,, but most of all he's now picking his shots and setting them up , he showedd a remarkable amount of pateince , the winging and swinging widly was ,nt hapening and he shown confidence and patience ,, plus his conditioning was looking better than in the past .

Ruiz wasnt in the ring

GreenLightning wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 07:09 Well I saw that one coming, again, for all this talk of Ortiz' amazing technical skill...his footwork is abysmal, he walked himself onto a right hand AGAIN, hopefully that's the last we see of the geriatric Cuban, decent hands, awful footwork

handsofstone wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 08:37 If Ortiz wasn't a drug injecting piece of sh1t then you'd maybe feel sorry for him, he was winning everything right up until he got poleaxed from that monster right hand, Wilder was awful right up until that punch landed, he fought scared and looked petrified to throw the big right, Ortiz constantly backed him up pressured him and troubled him with the southpaw left hand, especially to the body, he worked that shot well


Ortiz looked like he was starting to take Wilder apart in that 7th before getting starched, Wilder again showing that phenomenal power but for 2 of the top HWs on the planet, the punch output was abysmal especially from Wilder, still what a KO

GreenLightning wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 07:09hopefully that's the last we see of the geriatric Cuban, decent hands, awful footwork

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 10:26

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 06:21

coneye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 06:12 Wilders boxing has improved a lot , of course Ruiz was well ahead i had him 5 rnds ahead ,, But he was getting out scored , not beat up ,, his defence has improved a lot ,, but most of all he's now picking his shots and setting them up , he showedd a remarkable amount of pateince , the winging and swinging widly was ,nt hapening and he shown confidence and patience ,, plus his conditioning was looking better than in the past .

Ruiz wasnt in the ring

coneye wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 06:12 Wilders boxing has improved a lot , of course Ruiz was well ahead i had him 5 rnds ahead ,, But he was getting out scored , not beat up ,, his defence has improved a lot ,, but most of all he's now picking his shots and setting them up , he showedd a remarkable amount of pateince , the winging and swinging widly was ,nt hapening and he shown confidence and patience ,, plus his conditioning was looking better than in the past .

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 09:41 Wilder did well to block a lot punches with his gloves. Did anyone else notice? Not all of what Ortiz landed was clean..

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 11:58

GreenLightning wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 07:09hopefully that's the last we see of the geriatric Cuban, decent hands, awful footwork

He was getting his lead foot on Wilder's inside at will in the early rounds, it was only the threat of walking onto Wilder's lead right that stopped him applying more pressure. So he tried backing Wilder up to the ropes to shorten that right hand, taking some of its sting away, while bringing himself into his best range. This is a main component of trying to beat Wilder.

For my money, Wilder overrated the risk a bit in open play when distance frequently favoured him, electing to paw with his jab when stood at optimal range to nail it and double up. Conserving energy sometimes, sure, but the way he was letting his elbow swing out — as if undecided between jab and hook — made me wonder if he had a minor injury. His left to the body, landed a couple of times, was really nice; his only eyecatching thing until the finish, really.

But then Ortiz made the same mistake again: he couldn't stop himself from chasing a buzzed Wilder towards the centre. ‘Ortiz could have this’, I was thinking as Wilder found himself in the corner momentarily, ‘but only if he's really careful not to rush it and lets it unfold slowly’. He didn't need to be chasing the KO when he was that far ahead!

Because Wilder relies on athleticism, I am beginning to wonder if he'll decline faster than his peers. He seemed particularly flat this time, even though he was obviously not wasting energy on purpose. Fury was able to get up after a left hook from a tired, off-balance Wilder, a shot I think that Ruiz could also get up from. I'd fancy Ruiz to beat Wilder right now. Unless he underrated Wilder's power in comparison to AJ's, which is possible.

Beautiful finisher, in summary, but the worst I've seen Wilder in a long time, neglecting fundamentals that would've lost him the fight if Ortiz hadn't started feeling himself as a result.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:29 The whole suggestion that Wilder showed really improved boxing in this fight was obviously nonsense. He was losing pretty much every round to a guy he already knocked out, totally bizarre to me how many people acted like he was showing improvement here

Simply because he'd lose rounds prior to getting knockouts, people were starting to gift him with some great sense of patience and ring iq

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 19:15 I just couldn't understand it, to me it seemed like people looking for what they wanted to see