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Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 21 Oct 2020, 11:28
by jonny
Muttley wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 10:39
THEBUTCH wrote: ↑19 Oct 2020, 18:01
I've posted on another thread already, but anyway....my understanding is scorecards are collected at the end of each round, so if I'm correct, it can't be a scorecard.
It looks like a phone in my opinion. And yes, unless the format has changed in the last few years, scorecards are collected at the end of each round and handed to the governing body supervisor, who then adds up the scores on the main scorecard after each round. Also, there is now way a judge in any form of competition, should have a mobile device on and on show.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 21 Oct 2020, 11:30
by jonny
They get 12 scorecards and hand one to the ref end of each round. The video clearly shows it is his cards
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 21 Oct 2020, 13:12
by MarkMcBurney
Glass Joe wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 11:12
Shouldn't be judging a fight at 67 should be a cut off age, this gives the chance for new younger officials to come in, you don't see many if at all young boxing officials, most seem to start in the mid-40s
Referees judge fights as well as referee. I once emailed the board to enquire about registering to be a referee (obviously the lowest level) as I love the sport and was never good enough to fight, and they emailed back to say they weren't accepting any applications. It really is a closed shop, which is why you see the same 7 or 8 guys refereeing and judging a show
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 21 Oct 2020, 13:12
by JimJim2009
Next short square slip of paper in his hand might be his P45
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 12:36
by brian13
He has just been cleared by the BBBofC
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 12:40
by Boxing Prospect
The BBBofC statement makes it very, very obvious that when a British fighter gets robbed on foreign soil, the board for that fight can go "we reviewed it, he stated his opinion an that's that". Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic by Smith, the board and O'Connor. The BBBofC have just made it clear that nothing will happen to officials here, and have destroyed any argument we can have when one of ours gets shafted.
Bunch of fornicating useless pudenda
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 13:06
by TheGoods
Entitled, arrogant, shambolic response from the Board. It really is an old boy’s club. Huge irony that a “board of control” is actually damaging the sport with their blatant failure to try and stop and snuff out these illogical, nonsense cards.
Must be infuriating for Hearn as all the graft that went into that bill, the effort of all involved (not least the boxers) will forever be overshadowed by the conclusions of an absolute cockwomble sitting ringside.
I can’t wait for his next outrageous scorecard.
Cheers Terry, kids are crying.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 13:07
by Black Sam Bellamy
Smith had already set his stall out at the start of the week with his IFL interview. So there really wasn't much point to this review/enquiry.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 13:09
by Ruthless-RKO
“Allegations made on social media and the print media as to Mr O’Connor using a mobile telephone or similar handheld device were considered,” a Board statement said.
“Following extensive consideration of footage and Mr O’Connor’s evidence supplied, the Stewards are satisfied that Mr O’Connor was not in possession of any telephone or handheld device whilst carrying out his duties as a Judge in the contest between Lewis Ritson and Miguel Vazquez and his scoring of said bout was not affected in any way.
“In addition, Mr O’Connor’s scoring of the bout was considered and whilst judging a contest is subjective and following Mr. O’Connor’s explanation of how he scored the bout, the Stewards are satisfied that Mr O’Connor’s final score reflected his own opinion of the contest.”
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 15:00
by stujones
What was it then? I think we, as fans, should put a red line through it now and not create a witch hunt or anything - but I wish the BBBoC would have been a bit more open in their statement.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 15:04
by Twinkle Toes
O'Conner can't judge a fight with impartiality and it's been confirmed as okay by the board.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 15:23
by dookus
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 13:09
“In addition, Mr O’Connor’s scoring of the bout was considered and whilst judging a contest is subjective and following Mr. O’Connor’s explanation of how he scored the bout, the Stewards are satisfied that Mr O’Connor’s final score reflected his own opinion of the contest.”
No! It's not enough to be his own opinion, it's got to be objectively defensible. Their statement does nothing to clear this up.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 15:28
by Perkin Warbeck
jameswilson wrote: ↑24 Nov 2019, 09:17
Of all our referees I’ve always had him right down at the bottom as the worst of the lot.
Only Ian John-Lewis is worse.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 15:45
by ShadrachSimmo
dookus wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 15:23
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 13:09
“In addition, Mr O’Connor’s scoring of the bout was considered and whilst judging a contest is subjective and following Mr. O’Connor’s explanation of how he scored the bout, the Stewards are satisfied that Mr O’Connor’s final score reflected his own opinion of the contest.”
No! It's not enough to be his own opinion, it's got to be objectively defensible. Their statement does nothing to clear this up.
Yup, It’s a complete crock of sh1t. “reflected his own opinion of the contest”
It’s like their saying he’s not corrupt he’s just a complete fuckn moron when it comes to scoring fights and we'll move on to the next one.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 15:47
by margaret thatcher
Ya, but 'fair play' to Robert Smith and Tel
?
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 16:18
by dookus
ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 15:45
dookus wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 15:23
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 13:09
“In addition, Mr O’Connor’s scoring of the bout was considered and whilst judging a contest is subjective and following Mr. O’Connor’s explanation of how he scored the bout, the Stewards are satisfied that Mr O’Connor’s final score reflected his own opinion of the contest.”
No! It's not enough to be his own opinion, it's got to be objectively defensible. Their statement does nothing to clear this up.
Yup, It’s a complete crock of sh1t. “reflected his own opinion of the contest”
It’s like their saying he’s not corrupt he’s just a complete fuckn moron when it comes to scoring fights and we'll move on to the next one.
"It's stupid, but it's honest stupid." Come on. New blood please.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 16:25
by skanksta
It's kinda worse - I'd rather by corrupt than useless.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 16:29
by margaret thatcher
suggesting someone's opinion is okay because it's their opinion is so f@cking mind blowing stupid lol
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 17:07
by Glass Joe
No surprise from the board to look after their inner circle let's, get rid of the officials over 65, also more schemes for younger talent to come in.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 17:21
by Boxerbeetle
Next time my 6 year old boy gets told off in school for getting his sums wrong, I’ll get him to tell the teacher that his answers are reflective of his own opinion
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 17:33
by margaret thatcher
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 17:21
Next time my 6 year old boy gets told off in school for getting his sums wrong, I’ll get him to tell the teacher that his answers are reflective of his own opinion
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 17:51
by handsofstone
BBBC have opened up an investigation of Marcus McDonnell's 116-113 Vazquez card
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 18:13
by Deserter
TheGoods wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 13:06
Entitled, arrogant, shambolic response from the Board. It really is an old boy’s club. Huge irony that a “board of control” is actually damaging the sport with their blatant failure to try and stop and snuff out these illogical, nonsense cards.
Perfectly put mate. Honestly just makes me think fornicate this sport, as there's not even a pretence of professionalism or objectivity. Interested to see how Matt Christie and crew handle it in next week's BN.
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 19:24
by CaptainSpacerod
I wouldn’t be surprised if all the furore around this matter led to Tel voluntarily resigning in the next couple of months. Maybe Smith and the board didn’t want to be seen to be bullied into action by social media outrage even though it was justified on this occasion.
You have to think that they know what’s right and they know it’s time for Tel to go.
Is Eddie Hearn totally blameless in all this ....
Re: Terry O'Connor
Posted: 23 Oct 2020, 19:33
by Fray Bentos
CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Oct 2020, 19:24
Is Eddie Hearn totally blameless in all this ....
The crux of the problem are the promoters paying the officials off. Of course, they won't sanction them because they can cause trouble and put the BBB of C out of business.
The day I realised the level of corruption in British boxing was the day I lost interest in it. The 'sport' is rotten to its core. O'Connor is just the most obvious tumor but it goes far deeper than him.