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Anyone else reading this thread going through Deja Vu?

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 18:09 Anyone else reading this thread going through Deja Vu?

Well it's a trilogy Oogs, so isn't it Deja Vu-Vu?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 19:17

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 18:09 Anyone else reading this thread going through Deja Vu?

Well it's a trilogy Oogs, so isn't it Deja Vu-Vu?

LOL! I meant the debate with EO and Bandog.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 19:17

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 18:09 Anyone else reading this thread going through Deja Vu?

Well it's a trilogy Oogs, so isn't it Deja Vu-Vu?

I choked on my doritos when I read this

tiny_acres wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 19:24

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 19:17

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 18:09 Anyone else reading this thread going through Deja Vu?

Well it's a trilogy Oogs, so isn't it Deja Vu-Vu?

I choked on my doritos when I read this

Sorry mate, I should stay in OT where I belong.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 19:32

tiny_acres wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 19:24

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 19:17

Well it's a trilogy Oogs, so isn't it Deja Vu-Vu?

I choked on my doritos when I read this

Sorry mate, I should stay in OT where I belong.

It's all good. I needed the laugh it came at the right time

To be honest, being retired it doesn't take a lot to entertain me. Jerking the narcissist EO's chain can be fun.

Personal wouldent tell GGG he is the last party to sign.... Probably a cheaky oppertunity to squeeze an extra couple of mill or risk losing canelo to PBC for a couple of fights.

GGG vs Murata has not been rescheduled and this news makes it unlikely to be rescheduled.
If the Murata camp does not have a legal way to force the fight GGG is not going risk losing the Canelo lottery.

Perseus wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 05:14 GGG vs Murata has not been rescheduled and this news makes it unlikely to be rescheduled.
If the Murata camp does not have a legal way to force the fight GGG is not going risk losing the Canelo lottery.

GGG said Murata will be April.

I think GGG should take the Murata fight. He needs to have rounds in the ring.

Golovkin on Canelo Trilogy: I Have The Keys To Open Him Up!

Gennadiy Golovkin may never be in a mood to shake the hand of Canelo Alvarez ever again, but that does not necessarily mean that the Kazakh puncher isn’t looking forward to throwing sanctioned punches at his bête noir.

In an interview published earlier this week, Golovkin, the IBF middleweight titleholder, offered rare – and non entirely negative – remarks on facing Alvarez, the current undisputed 168-pound champion, for a third time. Despite the well-documented and mutually reinforcing animosity between him and Alvarez, Golovkin maintained a very high opinion of that potential showdown. From Golovkin's perspective, after all, there is plenty of unfinished business.

The pair first fought in 2017, in a middleweight unification bout that ended in a hotly disputed split draw; many observers believed Golovkin deserved the nod. The rematch took place in 2018, but this time Alvarez had his hands raised, winning a majority decision that, while close, was less controversial than the first fight, due to Alvarez’s effective aggression. But by that point, the relationship between the two competitors, which was initially cordial in the first fight, was beyond repair. Golovkin made critical remarks about Alvarez testing positive for a PED going into the rematch that greatly angered the Mexican champion.

It has been no secret that Golovkin has long wanted another shot at Alvarez, given that he has resolutely insisted over the intervening years that he never truly lost the first two fights. Golovkin signed with DAZN in 2019, a few months after Alvarez had signed with the subscription streaming platform, with the express intention of fighting Alvarez some point down the line. But executives at DAZN appear at the time to have underestimated Alvarez’s animus toward Golovkin and, without having had a binding commitment from Alvarez to face Golovkin, the fight, to this day, has not happened. Alvarez, now a network free agent, has since moved up to the 168-pound class and unified that division last year, while seeing his name reach a new stratosphere in the sport. Golovkin, in the meantime, has been somewhat under the radar, continuing to fight at middleweight while maintaining a far less active schedule than that of his rival.

Despite whatever perceived belatedness may be associated with a third fight, Golovkin thinks he alone has the ability to trouble Alvarez inside the ring.

“[Someone] shared an opinion that I was probably the one that chased Canelo away from the middleweights of the division,” Golovkin said through a translator on the podcast Walking the Floor with Chris Shiflett. “I’m not sure whether that is true.

“But I know Canelo as a fighter, and I have the keys to how to open him up, how to fight against [him].”

Recent reports suggest that the long-awaited match-up could be in the offing. Mike Coppinger of ESPN reported that Alvarez (57-1-2, 39 KOs) is mulling a two-fight deal from Eddie Hearn of Matchroom to fight on DAZN. The first fight would be against light heavyweight titleholder Dmitry Bivol in the spring. The second fight would be against Golovkin (41-1-1, 36 KOs), although Golovkin would have to come out victorious against his postponed middleweight bout against Ryota Murata, which could take place in the spring in Tokyo.

Golovkin struck a charitable note while discussing Alvarez. He noted that his key insights into Alvarez also mean that Alvarez knows a few things about his own strengths and weaknesses as well.

“I’m certain that he studied me as well and that he has some things in his arsenal as well,” Golovkin said. “So definitely there is an interest in the fight. It is an attractive opportunity. We know that after the second fight we offered a rematch, but basically he went up and chased other opportunities.”

“When this fight might happen isn’t clear. Only time will tell. But we know that it’s going to be interesting because of our knowledge of each other as opponents.”

The 39-year-old Golovkin last fought in December, defeating Polish mandatory Kamil Szeremeta inside seven rounds at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Florida.

I can see GGG taking a sustained beating here.

He's already a little past it now, and will be giving away a lot of weight, to stronger fresher man.

I'd rather not see the fight to be honest, but it's GGG wants the money to be fair.

Alvarez has taken a lot of vitamins since he last fought GGG

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑21 Feb 2022, 11:04 Alvarez has taken a lot of vitamins since he last fought GGG

He certainly has.

Was it that long ago when he was busy ducking GGG by dropping back to 154 after the Khan fight whilst his many fans (ODLH etc) protested he was too small for middleweight?

Nowadays the new improved chemically enhanced 5ft 7 180lb+ behemoth astrides several divisions in his pomp.


BODY CLOCK Canelo Alvarez’s incredible body transformation from welterweight to light-heavyweight and winning at super-middleweight

Jack Figg. 4 May 2021


https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/1 ... avyweight/

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 08:21

RScarf1 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2022, 21:56

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Feb 2022, 08:50
To be fair, the same people moaning about how “disgusting” the sport of boxing has been to GGG, due to the outcome of the first Canelo bout, are also refusing to consider discussing the fact he would have earned more than $100m from a trilogy against the Mexican, as well as ignoring Golovkin’s ducking and controversial win over Derevyanchenko.

It’s just double-standards.

Golovkin was sick prior to his bout with Sergiy. He did not pull out of the fight even though most boxers would have. I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt in light of his two fights with Canelo. Sergiy is good, but if he won his last two fights instead of losing them, then he would be in a much better position for a rematch with Golovkin.

That's all very good, but Gennadiy wouldn't face Sergiy again, even before his most recent losses.

Historical timelines matter.

I’m not being facetious either, but two wrongs don’t make a right.

If GGG fans feel that “boxing has been disgusting to Golovkin”, based on him receiving more than $100m for the Canelo bouts (i.e. an immediate rematch and a third fight in September), then surely the same rule applies to Derevyanchenko (but to a much more severe degree), based on Gennadiy’s ducking (vacating the IBF title) and refusal to engage in a rematch (preferring to remain inactive for 14 months)?

And if you disagree, are you saying that we should apply different “rules” and “standards” to fighters, based on whether we’re a fan of theirs or not?

If you look at boxing history, not every boxer who loses a close decision gets a rematch. Ken Norton and Tim Witherspoon never got a rematch against Larry Holmes. Sergiy lost by unanimous decision by scores of 114-113, 115-112, and 115-112. I unofficially scored it 114-114 a draw, but I scored a very close round 10-10. There were other close rounds, but I felt round two was too close to give it to either one of them. It was a close fight according to the TV commentators broadcasting the fight. The punch stats and percentages were close. This was not a robbery. The only argument you have is that Sergiy deserved a rematch. Golovkin has the right to seek other opponents, especially in the final years of his career. If Golovkin was not sick, the fight probably would not have been close. Golovkin’s fights against Canelo, although close if you consider an 8-4 or 7-5 round advantage close, were widely thought to be wins for Golovkin, especially the first fight, but they were judged as a draw and a loss for Golovkin.

I think G would get stopped in this one but at least he'd make big money.

Canelo is too damn strong and savvy atm.

Canelo vs Bivol / vs Beterbiev-Joe Smith Jr fight winner are the crème de la crème boxing matches for me!

RScarf1 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2022, 14:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 08:21

RScarf1 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2022, 21:56

Golovkin was sick prior to his bout with Sergiy. He did not pull out of the fight even though most boxers would have. I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt in light of his two fights with Canelo. Sergiy is good, but if he won his last two fights instead of losing them, then he would be in a much better position for a rematch with Golovkin.

That's all very good, but Gennadiy wouldn't face Sergiy again, even before his most recent losses.

Historical timelines matter.

I’m not being facetious either, but two wrongs don’t make a right.

If GGG fans feel that “boxing has been disgusting to Golovkin”, based on him receiving more than $100m for the Canelo bouts (i.e. an immediate rematch and a third fight in September), then surely the same rule applies to Derevyanchenko (but to a much more severe degree), based on Gennadiy’s ducking (vacating the IBF title) and refusal to engage in a rematch (preferring to remain inactive for 14 months)?

And if you disagree, are you saying that we should apply different “rules” and “standards” to fighters, based on whether we’re a fan of theirs or not?

If you look at boxing history, not every boxer who loses a close decision gets a rematch. Ken Norton and Tim Witherspoon never got a rematch against Larry Holmes. Sergiy lost by unanimous decision by scores of 114-113, 115-112, and 115-112. I unofficially scored it 114-114 a draw, but I scored a very close round 10-10. There were other close rounds, but I felt round two was too close to give it to either one of them. It was a close fight according to the TV commentators broadcasting the fight. The punch stats and percentages were close. This was not a robbery. The only argument you have is that Sergiy deserved a rematch. Golovkin has the right to seek other opponents, especially in the final years of his career. If Golovkin was not sick, the fight probably would not have been close. Golovkin’s fights against Canelo, although close if you consider an 8-4 or 7-5 round advantage close, were widely thought to be wins for Golovkin, especially the first fight, but they were judged as a draw and a loss for Golovkin.

G busted Chenko's face big time and it was a close but fair win for G, but also Chenko hurted G's body.

Is there a news where G said he was sick vs Chenko ?

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Feb 2022, 02:26
G busted Chenko's face big time and it was a close but fair win for G, but also Chenko hurted G's body.

Is there a news where G said he was sick vs Chenko ?

I don’t know if Golovkin publicly said he was sick, but his trainer and promoter did. There were articles written about it. It was also mentioned during the fight by the commentators.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑21 Feb 2022, 10:39 I can see GGG taking a sustained beating here.

He's already a little past it now, and will be giving away a lot of weight, to stronger fresher man.

I'd rather not see the fight to be honest, but it's GGG wants the money to be fair.

How could any REAL boxing fan honestly say that they would prefer not to see one more GGG/Canelo fight? When you pick out the 2 best fights throughout both GGG and Canelo’ careers, the answers for both clearly are the 2 fights against each other.

Forget about ages. GGG has clearly proven to be a different animal when it comes to typical fighters getting long in the tooth. GGG’s style has never been predicated on foot speed or elusiveness. He’s gonna pump his jab a million times and take all the head shots he can to deliver his own thunder. So don’t feel sorry for GGG bc you think he’d be coming in short of artillery. This time, he knows beating Canelo via decision is not possible so we’re going to have an all out war with the 2 greatest warriors at or around this weight in this generation.


To say that anyone doesn’t want to see this fight makes zero sense. Not to real fans of Boxing.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Feb 2022, 17:19

indubitably.

ggg shoulda got the first fight and canelo the second. i thought ggg won the first slightly wider than canelo won the second, 8-4 vs 7-5

everything points towards a third fight being even more in canelo's favour. much much much rather have mungy-ggg and canelo vs smith/bert, that's my #1 fight for both guys

caldo2025 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2022, 18:17Forget about ages. GGG has clearly proven to be a different animal when it comes to typical fighters…

Of course, when you’re a GGG fan, you believe he’s omnipotent, can walk on water and is also immortal.

Whereas for every other boxer that’s ever existed during the entire history of boxing has been affected by age at some point during their careers.

When Canelo batters GGG into submission, or compels the corner or the ref to stop the fight, the first excuse every die-hard Golovkin fan will cite will be his age!

But until that eventually happens, all GGG die-hard’s will dishonestly pretend that age is simply a number that doesn’t apply to Golovkin.