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Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 30 May 2020, 18:11
by Coco
Shhhh wrote: 30 May 2020, 17:11
Reddish Vale wrote: 30 May 2020, 16:01

Good post :TU:

Another attribute was his physical strength (going into Mickey mode here) a pro Middleweight mate of mine from Leeds went down to Brighton to spar with him for the second Benn fight, he said he was stronger than most Lightheavies/Cruisers he'd sparred with.
Yeah he was very strong. A huge middle and super middle. But he deserved his paydays
His son is damn strong too, would be a beast at middleweight.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 30 May 2020, 18:31
by oogiebe
Reddish Vale wrote: 30 May 2020, 13:22 Don't be obtuse, it was a simple question, do you think Fury would be as effective if he was more 'normally' proportioned ?
Whp lknows. He might be a completely different fighter altogether.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 30 May 2020, 18:52
by TheLeprechaun
jenko21 wrote: 30 May 2020, 08:35 Lomachenko is overrated.
Fury isn't the expert boxer people make him him out to be.
Chisora would do well in any boxing era.
Charlie Z is the goat.

It's hard to get a read on Fury still. How good is he? i don't think we know. He might have got flattened by Haye. He might have handled Haye. He might have been obliterated by Lewis. He might have befuddled a tentative Lewis. He just showed a complete change of tactics and destroyed Wilder on the front foot. I'm open to the idea that he's far better than I thought, or as bad as I think he is. I still don't know. Wilder isn't exactly the second coming of Riddick Bowe. Klitschko fought a cowardly fight.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 30 May 2020, 19:59
by AntonioMartin
Onetimeonly wrote: 29 May 2020, 16:33
AntonioMartin wrote: 28 May 2020, 23:04 Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. beat Pernell Whitaker....

Now that would be a very unpopular opinion....LOL
:lol:

That can't qualify as an opinion.
LOL

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 30 May 2020, 19:59
by AntonioMartin
I actually had Austin Trout beat Canelo Alvarez.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 30 May 2020, 20:30
by margaret thatcher
Chris John legit beat Juany Marquez, just easy to dismiss as a robbery because it happened in Indonesia. People like Dan Rafael were calling it a robbery before actually watching the fight

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 30 May 2020, 22:43
by ALI
Alex Arthur would have beaten Gomez if he had a proper trainer/training camp.

Hank Rawren is the greatest promoter ever.

Mayweather struggled a bit with McGregor.

Alex Arthur is Ken Buchanan's illegitimate son (just look at photo's of them in their twenties).

UFC is far more interesting than boxing.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 03:40
by Cent0089
I have lot of them :D
- Chris Eubank jr is underrated. Ive had him winning against Saunders.
- Terrence Crawford will retire undefeated, he can beat everybody under 160
- Canelo Alvarez won against Lara, won against GGG rematch close but decisively.
- Lomachenko is not overrated, but his resume is. Wasting 2 prime years on Pedraza, Crolla and Campbell is just awful.
- black boxing fans will never really root for white boxer
- boxing trainers are overrated at top level, underrated at lower level
- Tyson Fury beatdown of WIlder was best event in heavyweight boxing since 90s era
- being caught on roids is not a big deal, everybody is on roids, not everybody got caught
- Ray Leonard defeat Marvin Hagler close, but decisively (and i am biggest Hagler fan)
- amateur boxers are heavily underrated, and i am not talking only olympic medalists and world champs, if i was promoter i would hunt those fighters to pro ranks
- with punchers, people tend to underrate their boxing skill
- Anthony Joshua is bigger threat for Tyson Fury than Wilder. On the other hand, WIlder is everything bad for Joshua
- I was telling Adam Kownacki is heavily overrated, but everybody saw that already
- UFC is already more popular than boxing. And i am sad from this
- Golovkin decision to take his career to USA was good decision despite everybody avoided him. Spending his prime years in Germany will end up much worse
- Mayweather was able to end McGregor in 5 rounds, he was just toying with him and even let him to hit him
- undefeated records are thing that ruin boxing too, borers are obessed with that
- boxing is best sport in world, but 90% of boxing fans are trash.
- BOXREC FORUM is probably only place in world where you can inteligently talk about sport of boxing, users know a lot about the sport despite very few of them are or was boxers

:box: :box: :box: :box:

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 04:20
by Old bones Ian
jameswilson wrote: 30 May 2020, 10:11
Reddish Vale wrote: 30 May 2020, 08:48 Would Fury's 'boxing brain' be as effective if he was say, 6ft 3in, 17st 🤔
Would my Auntie be my Uncle if she, say, had bollocks?
It's not chick with dicks it's a bloke with tits

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 04:40
by Delta Jay
Cent0089 wrote: 31 May 2020, 03:40 I have lot of them :D
- Chris Eubank jr is underrated. Ive had him winning against Saunders.
- Terrence Crawford will retire undefeated, he can beat everybody under 160
- Canelo Alvarez won against Lara, won against GGG rematch close but decisively.
- Lomachenko is not overrated, but his resume is. Wasting 2 prime years on Pedraza, Crolla and Campbell is just awful.
- black boxing fans will never really root for white boxer
- boxing trainers are overrated at top level, underrated at lower level
- Tyson Fury beatdown of WIlder was best event in heavyweight boxing since 90s era
- being caught on roids is not a big deal, everybody is on roids, not everybody got caught
- Ray Leonard defeat Marvin Hagler close, but decisively (and i am biggest Hagler fan)
- amateur boxers are heavily underrated, and i am not talking only olympic medalists and world champs, if i was promoter i would hunt those fighters to pro ranks
- with punchers, people tend to underrate their boxing skill
- Anthony Joshua is bigger threat for Tyson Fury than Wilder. On the other hand, WIlder is everything bad for Joshua
- I was telling Adam Kownacki is heavily overrated, but everybody saw that already
- UFC is already more popular than boxing. And i am sad from this
- Golovkin decision to take his career to USA was good decision despite everybody avoided him. Spending his prime years in Germany will end up much worse
- Mayweather was able to end McGregor in 5 rounds, he was just toying with him and even let him to hit him
- undefeated records are thing that ruin boxing too, borers are obessed with that
- boxing is best sport in world, but 90% of boxing fans are trash.
- BOXREC FORUM is probably only place in world where you can inteligently talk about sport of boxing, users know a lot about the sport despite very few of them are or was boxers

:box: :box: :box: :box:
Some crackers in there, well done

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 15:29
by ALI
Delta Jay wrote: 31 May 2020, 04:40
Cent0089 wrote: 31 May 2020, 03:40 I have lot of them :D
- Chris Eubank jr is underrated. Ive had him winning against Saunders.
- Terrence Crawford will retire undefeated, he can beat everybody under 160
- Canelo Alvarez won against Lara, won against GGG rematch close but decisively.
- Lomachenko is not overrated, but his resume is. Wasting 2 prime years on Pedraza, Crolla and Campbell is just awful.
- black boxing fans will never really root for white boxer
- boxing trainers are overrated at top level, underrated at lower level
- Tyson Fury beatdown of WIlder was best event in heavyweight boxing since 90s era
- being caught on roids is not a big deal, everybody is on roids, not everybody got caught
- Ray Leonard defeat Marvin Hagler close, but decisively (and i am biggest Hagler fan)
- amateur boxers are heavily underrated, and i am not talking only olympic medalists and world champs, if i was promoter i would hunt those fighters to pro ranks
- with punchers, people tend to underrate their boxing skill
- Anthony Joshua is bigger threat for Tyson Fury than Wilder. On the other hand, WIlder is everything bad for Joshua
- I was telling Adam Kownacki is heavily overrated, but everybody saw that already
- UFC is already more popular than boxing. And i am sad from this
- Golovkin decision to take his career to USA was good decision despite everybody avoided him. Spending his prime years in Germany will end up much worse
- Mayweather was able to end McGregor in 5 rounds, he was just toying with him and even let him to hit him
- undefeated records are thing that ruin boxing too, borers are obessed with that
- boxing is best sport in world, but 90% of boxing fans are trash.
- BOXREC FORUM is probably only place in world where you can inteligently talk about sport of boxing, users know a lot about the sport despite very few of them are or was boxers

:box: :box: :box: :box:
Some crackers in there, well done
but completely misses the point, there are more popular opinions here than unpopular :roll:

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 15:36
by gerryd77
ALI wrote: 31 May 2020, 15:29
Delta Jay wrote: 31 May 2020, 04:40

Some crackers in there, well done
but completely misses the point, there are more popular opinions here than unpopular :roll:
I also like the irony in misspelling ‘intelligently’.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 16:50
by handsofstone
Kudos to Cent

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 17:01
by Cent0089
gerryd77 wrote: 31 May 2020, 15:36
ALI wrote: 31 May 2020, 15:29

but completely misses the point, there are more popular opinions here than unpopular :roll:
I also like the irony in misspelling ‘intelligently’.
Sorry man, i am not from english speaking country, what is the right word? :D :D

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 17:32
by Delta Jay
ALI wrote: 31 May 2020, 15:29
Delta Jay wrote: 31 May 2020, 04:40

Some crackers in there, well done
but completely misses the point, there are more popular opinions here than unpopular :roll:
Oh yeah. Completely missed that. I agreed with nearly all of them :lol:

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 31 May 2020, 17:55
by margaret thatcher
Canelo is seriously underrated. Awesome fighter

Eddeh is a f@cking king

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 01 Jun 2020, 12:00
by gerryd77
Cent0089 wrote: 31 May 2020, 17:01
gerryd77 wrote: 31 May 2020, 15:36

I also like the irony in misspelling ‘intelligently’.
Sorry man, i am not from english speaking country, what is the right word? :D :D
Only having a joke mate. All good :TU:

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 01 Jun 2020, 12:06
by margaret thatcher
Shhhh wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 09:55
margaret thatcher wrote: 31 May 2020, 17:55 Canelo is seriously underrated. Awesome fighter

Eddeh is a f@cking king
Number 1 - I think most people agree he’s a top fighter
Number 2 - sorry mate. Same as I tell police. No comment 😂😂😂😂
People always trying to discredit Canelo. Nah he's not just a top, he's godt damn studly :oo

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 01 Jun 2020, 18:21
by stujones
Mayweather 2020 would beat Loma 2020 at 147 lbs or 154.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 01 Jun 2020, 18:29
by margaret thatcher
stujones wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 18:21 Mayweather 2020 would beat Loma 2020 at 147 lbs or 154.
Loma would be a short little fatty at those weights

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 03 Jun 2020, 04:59
by GPTM1403
handsofstone wrote: 21 May 2020, 16:37
Kell Brook had the talent to become one of the greatest fighters Britains produced
is that really an unpopular opinion?

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 04 Jun 2020, 03:23
by handsofstone
GPTM1403 wrote: 03 Jun 2020, 04:59
handsofstone wrote: 21 May 2020, 16:37
Kell Brook had the talent to become one of the greatest fighters Britains produced
is that really an unpopular opinion?
I don't know Brook does take some stick, maybe it's his record

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 04 Jun 2020, 19:53
by dookus
handsofstone wrote: 04 Jun 2020, 03:23
GPTM1403 wrote: 03 Jun 2020, 04:59

is that really an unpopular opinion?
I don't know Brook does take some stick, maybe it's his record
He could and should have moved a lot faster and didn't fight at the top level enough when he finally made it there.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 05 Jun 2020, 06:38
by Delta Jay
dookus wrote: 04 Jun 2020, 19:53
handsofstone wrote: 04 Jun 2020, 03:23

I don't know Brook does take some stick, maybe it's his record
He could and should have moved a lot faster and didn't fight at the top level enough when he finally made it there.
Spence, Porter and Golovkin is 3 great names to have on the slate, but I agree with you. He always seemed like he was just about to set the world alight and it never quite happened

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: 05 Jun 2020, 09:04
by GPTM1403
Delta Jay wrote: 05 Jun 2020, 06:38
dookus wrote: 04 Jun 2020, 19:53
He could and should have moved a lot faster and didn't fight at the top level enough when he finally made it there.
Spence, Porter and Golovkin is 3 great names to have on the slate, but I agree with you. He always seemed like he was just about to set the world alight and it never quite happened
Definitely, I do think 2 things played a part. Firstly he should have been fighting at light middle. Looking at him v Golovkin that was not a chunked up welter, he looked like a guy who could certainly be a natural at 154 and maybe 160. For me the performance v Golovkin would have beaten all bar him and Alvarez at either weight. Secondly he's spent so long waiting on Khan, he should have just called his bluff and said do it now or I move on. Again just my opinion but I think he's got the speed, skills and power to level Khan within 6 rounds. I wonder if that kept him at welter far too long (obviously the holiday incident etc didn't help).