Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?

[oogiebe]

"EO Light" was harsh, mate. I may not recover.

You'll be fine, have a few peds and a vodka it's all good, I'm sorry I tarnished you with such words.

Please don't make me quote your words in an apology

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

He refuted their rebuttal

https://www.BS.com/thomas-hauser-respon ... nts--95924



Mayweather insisted on usada over vada as did al haymon fighters. There was a reason for that.

He basically did what most BoxRec forum members do. He said they were "wrong", without justifying it.

Please do the forum a favour and read USADA's lengthy response:

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/upload ... Hauser.pdf

If you actually take the time to read this lengthy USADA rebuttal, you'd surely realise Hauser didn't attempt to defend himself against the errors they highlighted about his derogatory claims.

And Mayweather used USADA long before VADA existed when he and his opponents didn't even need to be tested.

There was a reason for that.

Even Manny Pacquiao rejected a $40m payday against Mayweather Jr. due to his refusal to be randomly tested by VADA.

There was a reason for that too.

Floyd Mayweather insisted that Shane Mosley, a man that admitted to a jury to using PED's, undergo drug testing by USADA, long before VADA even existed and when testing was rare in the sport.

And there has to be another reason for that too.

Do you see what I just did there?

I could do this all day.

By the way...

Thomas Hauser published his article that was originally responsible for the alleged “intravenous vitamin injections” Money May scandal during the fight-week of the Mayweather-Berto bout... which was simply a strategially-timed "fake news" ploy employed by HBO to undermine the commercial success of a Showtime PPV event.

Guess who Thomas Hauser worked for at the time?

Think I'm wrong? Check the dates.

Come on Jeff, please respond? Let me see you defend Hauser, because I've far more things up my sleeve.

You said he didnt issue a rebuttal or attempt to. He did. You are wrong. I posted a link proving you were wrong.

Admit you were wrong and i will play your game of point by point.

[oogiebe]

So now Miller blames God for his failed test. SMDH.

[margaret thatcher]

Andre Ward can't let that stand surely, insulting his pops like that

[Enlightened-One]

He basically did what most BoxRec forum members do. He said they were "wrong", without justifying it.

Please do the forum a favour and read USADA's lengthy response:

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/upload ... Hauser.pdf

If you actually take the time to read this lengthy USADA rebuttal, you'd surely realise Hauser didn't attempt to defend himself against the errors they highlighted about his derogatory claims.

And Mayweather used USADA long before VADA existed when he and his opponents didn't even need to be tested.

There was a reason for that.

Even Manny Pacquiao rejected a $40m payday against Mayweather Jr. due to his refusal to be randomly tested by VADA.

There was a reason for that too.

Floyd Mayweather insisted that Shane Mosley, a man that admitted to a jury to using PED's, undergo drug testing by USADA, long before VADA even existed and when testing was rare in the sport.

And there has to be another reason for that too.

Do you see what I just did there?

I could do this all day.

By the way...

Thomas Hauser published his article that was originally responsible for the alleged “intravenous vitamin injections” Money May scandal during the fight-week of the Mayweather-Berto bout... which was simply a strategially-timed "fake news" ploy employed by HBO to undermine the commercial success of a Showtime PPV event.

Guess who Thomas Hauser worked for at the time?

Think I'm wrong? Check the dates.

Come on Jeff, please respond? Let me see you defend Hauser, because I've far more things up my sleeve.

You said he didnt issue a rebuttal or attempt to. He did. You are wrong. I posted a link proving you were wrong.

Admit you were wrong and i will play your game of point by point.

Do you even understand the definition of the word rebuttal?

It’s not merely a case of disagreeing with someone or simply telling them they were wrong.

A rebuttal is where someone issues a point-by-point counterargument that presents reasons and evidence that disproves or contradicts the opposing argument.

USADA published a highly-detailed twenty-five pages in length correction document that refuted and undermined sixty false claims that were previously conveyed by Thomas Hauser.

The controversial journalist and HBO employee responded by publishing a concise article that was only a few paragraphs in length, essentially saying USADA was wrong and that he intended “to write another long-form article on this subject at some point in the future”.

That is not a rebuttal since he didn’t attempt to “disapprove, contradict, or argue to overcome” USADA’s “opposing reasoning or evidence, by introducing another set of reasoning and evidence to destroy the effect of the 25-page response that was published by USADA.

Therefore, unless you can prove otherwise, Thomas Hauser didn’t even attempt to refute USADA’s counterargument.

Even though you may be feeling bad at the moment, due to me putting you in a bad situation by making a mockery of your lies, at least you’ll be able to appreciate the fact that every dark cloud has a silver lining – since you’ve learned what the word “rebuttal” means.

[margaret thatcher]

lol jeezus

[Thomastearns]

This antidoping nonsense should end. Steroids have been used for ages in this sport and with these new testing requirements its just becoming more of a game with flushing, masking agents, selecting doping organisations, getting exemptions, hiring good lawyers and next it will be bribing these doping officers. What ever happened to one guy just punching another one in his face?

Money.

The risk v reward is currently so firmly in the dopers favour that you would have to be unusually ethical or a fool to not to consider using illegal means. Certainly in the professional ranks.

The advantages to be gained are simply enormous. A third rate fighter could defeat (if not kill) a hall of famer with sufficient illegal help. The temptation must be huge.

So what to do?

Either all testing and punishment could be lifted, thereby levelling the playing field somewhat, but not entirely. The choice and availablity of drugs would still matter. Life is not fair, certainly not in boxing.

Alternatively all testing and punishment could be increased, thereby reducing the risk v reward issue facing all boxers.

Or take no action, other than perpetuate the current lack of supervision and pretend there isn't a real and widespread problem. Or maybe protest that it's financially impractical to offer any worthwhile solution.

In effect admit that the sporting element is only of minor relevancy to the result as long as the money keeps flowing.

[H8Usernames]

All testing and punishment should be lifted, thereby levelling the playing field somewhat, but not entirely. The choice and availablity of drugs would still matter. Life is not fair, certainly not in boxing.

Steroids are a big part of the history of boxing and shouldnt be excluded from it. If these guys want to kill themselfs to win some money and titles then let them.

[bobcatbox]

All testing and punishment should be lifted, thereby levelling the playing field somewhat, but not entirely. The choice and availablity of drugs would still matter. Life is not fair, certainly not in boxing.

Steroids are a big part of the history of boxing and shouldnt be excluded from it. If these guys want to kill themselfs to win some money and titles then let them.

*I’m new so I don’t know how to post a gif but just imagine that there’s a gif of Bane right here.*

Umm, no. Strongly disagree. Everyone should VADA test and there needs to be a clear list of banned substances and associated punishments.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hearn: Miller Was Supposed To Pay Back Money Fronted For Joshua Fight From Forrest Purse

Bob Arum, Dmitriy Salita and Greg Cohen aren’t the only promoters that had financial interests in Jarrell Miller’s ill-fated fight against Jerry Forrest.

Eddie Hearn has revealed that he, too, was supposed to be paid a percentage of Miller’s purse when he fought Forrest on July 9 in Las Vegas. The British promoter informed IFL TV during an interview that was streamed recently on its YouTube channel that Miller still owes his company money Miller was fronted before he tested positive for three performance-enhancing drugs last year and was removed from a heavyweight title fight against Anthony Joshua.

Brooklyn’s Miller (23-0-1, 20 KOs) failed another PED test recently prior to the Forrest fight and was temporarily suspended by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

“He was due to make good money,” Hearn said. “He had a sign-on bonus from Top Rank and [James] Prince, I believe, which he’s probably gonna have to repay. He owes me money. We were getting paid [from] this fight [for] the money he owes us from the Joshua fight. The up-front payment that we gave him, which he has to return, because he failed a drug test.”

Hearn suggested Matchroom Boxing might have to take legal action against Miller to try recoup its unspecified amount of money because the NSAC could issue the controversial heavyweight contender a lengthy suspension at one of its upcoming meetings. He reportedly tested positive in June for GW501516, which is one of the three banned substances for which he tested positive two months before he was supposed to challenge Joshua for his IBF, IBO, WBA and WBO titles June 1, 2019, at Madison Square Garden in New York.

In addition to GW501516, also known as cardarine and endurobol, Miller tested positive for human growth hormone and erythropoietin, also known as EPO, in March 2019. He was not suspended for failing those exams because he was not licensed by the New York State Athletic Commission at the time those tests were administered by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association.

Hearn refused to work with Miller after his PED ordeal, which afforded Andy Ruiz Jr. an opportunity to upset England’s Joshua by seventh-round technical knockout 13 months ago.

Arum’s Top Rank Inc. instead signed Miller to a multi-fight promotional deal that was announced late in January.

Prince, one of boxing’s most prominent managers, also signed Miller to a contract. Salita still is one of Miller’s co-promoters, as is Cohen.

[Boxerbeetle]

How about making PEDs mandatory to ensure an even playing field? Get tested same time as you weigh in - not enough drugs in your system and the fight is off

[jenko21]

How about making PEDs mandatory to ensure an even playing field? Get tested same time as you weigh in - not enough drugs in your system and the fight is off

It's a good idea however, we know the well backed boxers will have access to the better peds its unfair on those without a big name promoter. I propose a set menu of peds, given to the fighters at the start of camp

[margaret thatcher]

PED them all up so we can see the highest level of competition

[Boxerbeetle]

PED them all up so we can see the highest level of competition

Anyone without sufficient PEDs in their system during random year-round testing to face a ban

[margaret thatcher]

Big Baby Miller the new role model for da kids

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

If brevity is the soul of wit EO is the soul of shi(t)

[jenko21]

If brevity is the soul of wit EO is the soul of shi(t)

he's a special one is our eo, I wonder how he gets on in the real world. Can you imagine him having a dispute with a shop assistant or something, it would turn into a scene from fawlty towers

[oogiebe]

If brevity is the soul of wit EO is the soul of shi(t)

he's a special one is our eo, I wonder how he gets on in the real world. Can you imagine him having a dispute with a shop assistant or something, it would turn into a scene from fawlty towers

He's our Karen.

[H8Usernames]

All testing and punishment should be lifted, thereby levelling the playing field somewhat, but not entirely. The choice and availablity of drugs would still matter. Life is not fair, certainly not in boxing.

Steroids are a big part of the history of boxing and shouldnt be excluded from it. If these guys want to kill themselfs to win some money and titles then let them.

*I’m new so I don’t know how to post a gif but just imagine that there’s a gif of Bane right here.*

Umm, no. Strongly disagree. Everyone should VADA test and there needs to be a clear list of banned substances and associated punishments.

These things cost 36.000$ per fighter. Compare that to Dave Allens 11.000$ purse for fighting none other than Luis Ortiz Ko Machine and you have to ask yourself is boxing still a sport or has it become a medical field?

[Thomastearns]

*I’m new so I don’t know how to post a gif but just imagine that there’s a gif of Bane right here.*

Umm, no. Strongly disagree. Everyone should VADA test and there needs to be a clear list of banned substances and associated punishments.

These things cost 36.000$ per fighter. Compare that to Dave Allens 11.000$ purse for fighting none other than Luis Ortiz Ko Machine and you have to ask yourself is boxing still a sport or has it become a medical field?

That would be a hard pill to swallow, but in the absence of an economically viable 365 random testing strategy it may be the only way of ensuring any degree of fairness.
Pretty sure the fights would be much better.

Who wouldn't want to see Batman v Bane again?

Boxing is a business first and also like most sports it's a medical field too, it has to be. Even the mostly unwelcome testing agencies are just another wing of this business along with the marketing and promotional wings.

The medical side matters because it's difficult to think of anything a human can do that can't be chemically enhanced.

Imagine a world where PEDs didn't exist. The loss to music, literature and politics would have been immense.

Remove cannabis, cocaine and LSD and most of the music from the 1950s on would be different.

So maybe it is time to be practical and drastically reduce the list of banned substances, and increase the tolerable limits of those that remain?

Otherwise sport itself is under threat.

From a boxers point of view designer steroids seem to be the way to go to avoid detection. But you'll need money.

More information here.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-life ... t-20046134

[punchoutsb]

I'm not sure who is joking and who is not in this thread, but PED's should be allowed in sports 100%.

The belief they should be banned stems from quite a bit of ignorance and faux-morality about athletes health.

[Mighty Atom]

I'm not sure who is joking and who is not in this thread, but PED's should be allowed in sports 100%.

The belief they should be banned stems from quite a bit of ignorance and faux-morality about athletes health.

And that is how boxing gets banned in every civilized country in the world...

[punchoutsb]

I'm not sure who is joking and who is not in this thread, but PED's should be allowed in sports 100%.

The belief they should be banned stems from quite a bit of ignorance and faux-morality about athletes health.

And that is how boxing gets banned in every civilized country in the world...

As I said, ignorance and faux-morality.

[Mighty Atom]

And that is how boxing gets banned in every civilized country in the world...

As I said, ignorance and faux-morality.

You Sir, are an ignorant moron who would rather see boxers killed than admit you don't care about the future of the sport you follow.

[punchoutsb]

As I said, ignorance and faux-morality.

You Sir, are an ignorant moron who would rather see boxers killed than admit you don't care about the future of the sport you follow.

How many boxers have been killed by someone who has failed a PED test? How many fatalities has Jarrell Miller accumulated? Tyson Fury? Shane Mosely? Povetkin? Toney? Tarver? Briggs? Alvarez? Sturm? Peterson? There's a lot more names that could be added here. You already know the answer.

How many PRIDE fighters died during the run of the biggest MMA promotion in Japan that was literally run by Yakuza and where drugs we encouraged for all? I'm guessing you don't know the answer here, but it's also zero. How about the early days of UFC, pre any sort of steroid testing at all? Again, zero.

The fact is, taking PED's will not turn someone into a killing machine. People that actually believe that lack even the most basic knowledge of any of the specific pieces of the argument they so poorly try to construct.

If you are truly "civilized" and care about the future of athletes then you would be campaigning to ban boxing. Under no circumstance is boxing a safe sport. Faux-moralists only care about fighters health when it comes to PED's because they are uneducated on the effects of PED's (and we're just talking BASIC PED's here...there are combinations innumerable out there). These people don't actually care about fighters health, they just want to seem smart which is a big swing and a miss in most cases.