mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:24
And you’ve just said he met him at snooker, not beforehand when he got a comp.
Bloody hell. Surrounding the snooker then.
I have no idea what that has to do with it!
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 28 Dec 2020, 19:40
by mickey1975
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 19:29
We’ve all this seen this incredible footage haven’t we, mate
I’m sure Barry was pleased with him once they got to that level. I’m just finding it highly suspicious he walked to the hotel from Wincobank, malnourished, and got to the main man for a contract. Then hid in the bogs on the train home. It’s not a short journey. At all. Man deserves a medal doing that on a piece of toast a day.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 19:29
We’ve all this seen this incredible footage haven’t we, mate
I’m sure Barry was pleased with him once they got to that level. I’m just finding it highly suspicious he walked to the hotel from Wincobank, malnourished, and got to the main man for a contract. Then hid in the bogs on the train home. It’s not a short journey. At all. Man deserves a medal doing that on a piece of toast a day.
Oh absolutely mate. He ended up with the WBO championship belt, of course.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 02:13
by bennie
Coco wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 13:03
Bennie, I wouldn't mind hearing a bit of a resume on Burt McCarthy, I would be interested in your opinions.
I remember there were two of them, Burt and Leslie, but Leslie stayed very much in the background and saved a lot of face by doing so. Burt first came to my attention when he reckoned he had signed up Frank Bruno before Terry Lawless and it went all the way to the High Court, with Lawless finally getting the nod. That's why Bruno didn't make his pro debut until 1982, after winning the ABA heavyweight title in 1980 with a close decision over Welsh southpaw Rudi Pika. The eye business in Bogota was a load of old cobblers.
Burt looked after his fighters outside the ring and linked up with promoter F rank Warren so in the ring they had exposure on ITV and title opportunities. Unfortunately, they all wound up losing and McCarthy became something of a joke figure. He didn't know how to 'move' his fighters at the right time and they were good fighters, such as Christie, Andy Straughn and Pat Clinton. He took Straughn to the States (with Christie) but the relaxed, likeable Straughn, who oozed class in the amateurs, kept losing there and it was funny. He took an unbeaten Pat Clinton to Denmark for a shot at the European title against Eyup Can and the Scot looked a million dollars for one round - the first. Can then got serious and dominated the next 11. Again it was funny, particularly for manager and promoter Mickey Duff who had banned McCarthy from his shows and later took Clinton to the European title in Italy.
McCarthy's fighters were trained by ex-pro Don Davis, a decent man and a decent trainer but he wasn't one to rock the boat and there were times when Straughn, Clinton and Christie needed a Ronnie Davies slap in the face (although Davies was only doing it to impress his latest bird). Burt tried to con people by saying he wasn't in it for the money but everyone knew he was lying. I remember attending a weigh-in at the National Sporting Club on Regent Street in 1982 and Burt laid into manager Mike Sendell (verbally) over a minor money issue. Sendell didn't stand up for himself and it was unpleasant but at least McCarthy proved that he was a boxing man in one sense: he was a rotten sod. A few minutes after the scene, with McCarthy gone, one of Sendell's former fighters entered the room, shaven-skulled and with a horrible scar on his face where he had clearly been slashed with a knife. McCarthy, for once in boxing, had got lucky.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Coco wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 13:03
Bennie, I wouldn't mind hearing a bit of a resume on Burt McCarthy, I would be interested in your opinions.
I remember there were two of them, Burt and Leslie, but Leslie stayed very much in the background and saved a lot of face by doing so. Burt first came to my attention when he reckoned he had signed up Frank Bruno before Terry Lawless and it went all the way to the High Court, with Lawless finally getting the nod. That's why Bruno didn't make his pro debut until 1982, after winning the ABA heavyweight title in 1980 with a close decision over Welsh southpaw Rudi Pika. The eye business in Bogota was a load of old cobblers.
Burt looked after his fighters outside the ring and linked up with promoter F rank Warren so in the ring they had exposure on ITV and title opportunities. Unfortunately, they all wound up losing and McCarthy became something of a joke figure. He didn't know how to 'move' his fighters at the right time and they were good fighters, such as Christie, Andy Straughn and Pat Clinton. He took Straughn to the States (with Christie) but the relaxed, likeable Straughn, who oozed class in the amateurs, kept losing there and it was funny. He took an unbeaten Pat Clinton to Denmark for a shot at the European title against Eyup Can and the Scot looked a million dollars for one round - the first. Can then got serious and dominated the next 11. Again it was funny, particularly for manager and promoter Mickey Duff who had banned McCarthy from his shows and later took Clinton to the European title in Italy.
McCarthy's fighters were trained by ex-pro Don Davis, a decent man and a decent trainer but he wasn't one to rock the boat and there were times when Straughn, Clinton and Christie needed a Ronnie Davies slap in the face (although Davies was only doing it to impress his latest bird). Burt tried to con people by saying he wasn't in it for the money but everyone knew he was lying. I remember attending a weigh-in at the National Sporting Club on Regent Street in 1982 and Burt laid into manager Mike Sendell (verbally) over a minor money issue. Sendell didn't stand up for himself and it was unpleasant but at least McCarthy proved that he was a boxing man in one sense: he was a rotten sod. A few minutes after the scene, with McCarthy gone, one of Sendell's former fighters entered the room, shaven-skulled and with a horrible scar on his face where he had clearly been slashed with a knife. McCarthy, for once in boxing, had got lucky.
I take it you didn’t like him?
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Coco wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 13:03
Bennie, I wouldn't mind hearing a bit of a resume on Burt McCarthy, I would be interested in your opinions.
I remember there were two of them, Burt and Leslie, but Leslie stayed very much in the background and saved a lot of face by doing so. Burt first came to my attention when he reckoned he had signed up Frank Bruno before Terry Lawless and it went all the way to the High Court, with Lawless finally getting the nod. That's why Bruno didn't make his pro debut until 1982, after winning the ABA heavyweight title in 1980 with a close decision over Welsh southpaw Rudi Pika. The eye business in Bogota was a load of old cobblers.
Burt looked after his fighters outside the ring and linked up with promoter F rank Warren so in the ring they had exposure on ITV and title opportunities. Unfortunately, they all wound up losing and McCarthy became something of a joke figure. He didn't know how to 'move' his fighters at the right time and they were good fighters, such as Christie, Andy Straughn and Pat Clinton. He took Straughn to the States (with Christie) but the relaxed, likeable Straughn, who oozed class in the amateurs, kept losing there and it was funny. He took an unbeaten Pat Clinton to Denmark for a shot at the European title against Eyup Can and the Scot looked a million dollars for one round - the first. Can then got serious and dominated the next 11. Again it was funny, particularly for manager and promoter Mickey Duff who had banned McCarthy from his shows and later took Clinton to the European title in Italy.
McCarthy's fighters were trained by ex-pro Don Davis, a decent man and a decent trainer but he wasn't one to rock the boat and there were times when Straughn, Clinton and Christie needed a Ronnie Davies slap in the face (although Davies was only doing it to impress his latest bird). Burt tried to con people by saying he wasn't in it for the money but everyone knew he was lying. I remember attending a weigh-in at the National Sporting Club on Regent Street in 1982 and Burt laid into manager Mike Sendell (verbally) over a minor money issue. Sendell didn't stand up for himself and it was unpleasant but at least McCarthy proved that he was a boxing man in one sense: he was a rotten sod. A few minutes after the scene, with McCarthy gone, one of Sendell's former fighters entered the room, shaven-skulled and with a horrible scar on his face where he had clearly been slashed with a knife. McCarthy, for once in boxing, had got lucky.
Nice one Bennie, tbh I know little about McCarthy, a little bit before my time.
You mentioned he was a microchip millionaire, so I'm guessing he made his money before boxing?
And from the sounds of it he didn't make any money in boxing!
Was he a boxing man or was it something he fell into?
Also what happened to him? I guess he passed away now, did he just jack the game in?
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 06:01
by mickey1975
Brian Schumacher mentions Leslie McCarthy as pestering him to take a fight in his podcast. He must have been quite powerful at Fwanks.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 17:08
How did he afford to get a ticket for the snooker when he’d only allowed himself 40p for a loaf bread in three weeks?
Maybe Barry got him in. Eubank knocked his room door in the Grosvenor House, Sheff
So, after a week fasting, two weeks on a slice of toast a day and having his head punched in by Bomber Graham, he tracked down the CEO of the world snooker championships, got his door number and thought he’d call for him? How did he get to The Grosvennor? It’s a fair walk from Wincobank and he didn’t have the bus fair. Wasn’t Barry a tiny bit busy to be seeing unknowns knocking on his door. Where were security?
C`mon mate - your spoiling the story
This tale would have J.R.R. Tolkien questioning its believability
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 11:04
by coghaugen11
Eubank in New York
I often had a dollar for my dinner and that would get me eight rotten bananas and a quart of milk. I'd put that in a blender with a little nutmeg and that was my dinner.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 11:21
by tonyevs
Sounds like he was eating like a King whilst in the USA compared to his slice of bread a day in the UK ..
But ... as proven many, many .. many times: Eubank talks a load of shyte, A good trick to know when is either when direct quotes from him are written, or if your in his company, his lips will move
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 11:36
by coghaugen11
Didn’t he starve himself of food for seven days straight to make weight for Calzaghe? He probably did that often in his career.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 19:29
We’ve all this seen this incredible footage haven’t we, mate
I’m sure Barry was pleased with him once they got to that level. I’m just finding it highly suspicious he walked to the hotel from Wincobank, malnourished, and got to the main man for a contract. Then hid in the bogs on the train home. It’s not a short journey. At all. Man deserves a medal doing that on a piece of toast a day.
Maybe he caught a bus, £900 was more like a fair few grand in 1989. A bus ride would’ve been 20p.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 12:17
by coghaugen11
Think it’s time you started growing up Mickey boy, you’re nearly 46
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 12:52
by Deserter
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 12:17
Think it’s time you started growing up Mickey boy, you’re nearly 46
He's not the one with the unhealthy schoolboy-like obsession...
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 19:29
We’ve all this seen this incredible footage haven’t we, mate
I’m sure Barry was pleased with him once they got to that level. I’m just finding it highly suspicious he walked to the hotel from Wincobank, malnourished, and got to the main man for a contract. Then hid in the bogs on the train home. It’s not a short journey. At all. Man deserves a medal doing that on a piece of toast a day.
Maybe he caught a bus, £900 was more like a fair few grand in 1989. A bus ride would’ve been 20p.
Where did he get his £900 from? How dear was his bread? Or did his Mrs take the lot? Bit silly hiding in the toilet on the train with that in his pocket.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 13:32
by mickey1975
I’m ashamed to say I’ve checked the rail website and he’d have to had hid in two toilets and jumped barriers as they change in London for a Brighton to Sheffield.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 14:10
by dookus
mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 13:32
I’m ashamed to say I’ve checked the rail website and he’d have to had hid in two toilets and jumped barriers as they change in London for a Brighton to Sheffield.
noooo, don't get drawn into the madness, Mickey!
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 15:19
by Counter-puncher
mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 13:32
I’m ashamed to say I’ve checked the rail website and he’d have to had hid in two toilets and jumped barriers as they change in London for a Brighton to Sheffield.
Hahahahaha
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 13:32
I’m ashamed to say I’ve checked the rail website and he’d have to had hid in two toilets and jumped barriers as they change in London for a Brighton to Sheffield.
Hahahahaha
I’ll get him CP. Louis Theroux did and he’s got nothing on me. A piece of toast a day.....
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2020, 19:40
I’m sure Barry was pleased with him once they got to that level. I’m just finding it highly suspicious he walked to the hotel from Wincobank, malnourished, and got to the main man for a contract. Then hid in the bogs on the train home. It’s not a short journey. At all. Man deserves a medal doing that on a piece of toast a day.
Maybe he caught a bus, £900 was more like a fair few grand in 1989. A bus ride would’ve been 20p.
Where did he get his £900 from? How dear was his bread? Or did his Mrs take the lot? Bit silly hiding in the toilet on the train with that in his pocket.
You blind? He was paid £300 a week for sparring Graham for McCallum
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 12:08
Maybe he caught a bus, £900 was more like a fair few grand in 1989. A bus ride would’ve been 20p.
Where did he get his £900 from? How dear was his bread? Or did his Mrs take the lot? Bit silly hiding in the toilet on the train with that in his pocket.
You blind? He was paid £300 a week for sparring Graham for McCallum
He sent it all home and lived on toast.
Re: Eubank SR tears BJS, high praise for Dean Francis
Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 16:13
by coghaugen11
mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 13:32
I’m ashamed to say I’ve checked the rail website and he’d have to had hid in two toilets and jumped barriers as they change in London for a Brighton to Sheffield.
He used to jump barriers. One day the strap of his rucksack got caught on the barrier and he fell on his back - his most embarrassing ever moment he said.
The guy slept rough, under mattresses in the street. Jumping train fares was nothing to him. Shot at in the Bronx etc.
noooo, don't get drawn into the madness, Mickey!