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Re: The Marvelous One has died

Posted: 16 Mar 2021, 09:53
by emallini
He had a lovely snappy jab and overall a varied offense. Tough as hell with stamina and solid power. A complete fighter. I enjoy watching him.

Re: The Marvelous One has died

Posted: 16 Mar 2021, 23:36
by dookus
margaret thatcher wrote: 14 Mar 2021, 16:37
dookus wrote: 14 Mar 2021, 13:18
margaret thatcher wrote: 14 Mar 2021, 12:56 well tbh, it's not like 66 is a spring chicken. all these ppl saying way too young, but he still made it to being a senior citizen. its not like dudes closer to 70 than to 60 dont get health issues all of a sudden


i am curious about the vaccine though, no one can say that any long term testing has been done on it, they are all rushing it out there. ppl have short memories if they dont think vaccines/meds without serious long term tests have caused major health problems. theyve already waivered on whether certain demographics should take the vaccines.

this isnt something like decades and decades of research which suggest the idea that vaccines cause autism is bs, this is all super new and with tons left to know
I just had my first jab (Astrozeneca). Fairly unpleasant couple of days though nowhere near as bad as Covid itself was
hope youre well mate :salut:
Am alright thanks :TU: back to normal pretty quickly

Re: The Marvelous One has died

Posted: 17 Mar 2021, 07:33
by bennie
I remember watching Hagler for the first time in Monaco in 1979 against the rugged and clever Argentine Norberto Cabrera. They showed the fight on ITV's World of Sport and Hagler looked unbeatable as he picked Cabrera apart and stopped him in the eighth round. Topping the bill that night was Hugo Corro's defence of his world middleweight title against Italy's Vito Antuofermo. Corro watched Hagler outclass his compatriot and decided he wanted no part of him. He threw the Vito fight and threw away his world title, allowing Antuofermo to outwork him throughout the 15-rounder without ever getting hurt.
Hagler then challenged Antuofermo for the title later in 1979 and boxed as if he were already the champion. There was an arrogant air about the challenger and it was Antuofermo who fought harder and wanted it more. Vito gave the greatest performance of his career and deserved to retain his title with a 15-round draw. Hagler moaned and groaned but deep down he knew he didn't go out there and really take the title because when he got a second chance against Alan Minter a year later, he did just that and butchered Minter in three rounds in a fight marred by racism.
Hagler's first defence against Fully Obel in January 1981 in Boston is one of the greatest single displays I've ever seen from a fighter. Hagler swamped the tall, unbeaten Obel with brilliant short punches until Obel turned his back seconds into the eighth round and referee Octavio Meyran stepped in. Marvin then settled the score with Antuofermo on a cuts stoppage after four bloody rounds in Boston in June 1981, dropping Vito in the third. Sadly, the fight is best remembered for the disgusting behaviour of Panama Lewis and Freddie Brown in Antuofermo's corner, who believed that Hagler's head had carved up their man. The referee stood firm and Hagler jumped into the air when he won. He went over to commiserate with Vito but Lewis and Brown played up yet again and Hagler was pulled away by the Petronellis.
Hagler continued his busy campaign as he carved up Mustafa Hamsho in 11 rounds on a card shared by Mike Weaver's hard-earned decision over James Tillis (Hamsho needed 55 stitches), and followed up with quick wins over Wilford Scypion, Caveman Lee, Tony Sibson and Obel again, all of whom were outclassed. Boxing News hailed him "Mr Perfection" after the Scypion four-round dismissal but if Hagler did have a weakness, it showed against Roberto Duran in Las Vegas in 1983 when the southpaw champion was made to look mechanical by the naturally gifted Duran, who was ahead in the fight after 13 rounds. Hagler, belatedly, drove forward and won the last two rounds to take the verdict but ringsider Ray Leonard had seen plenty.
Hagler also struggled in his next defence against Argentina's Juan Domingo Roldan, who fought much of the fight with a badly swollen eye but still made Hagler look ponderous at times before he was stopped in the 10th round. The champion was due a big performance and it came in a rematch with Hamsho in three one-sided rounds in October 1984 and in a stirring win over Tommy Hearns six months later in Las Vegas, also in three rounds. Referee Richard Steele barked "Can you see?" to Hagler at the end of the second, with the champion cut on the forehead and the blood seeping into his eyes. "I ain't missing him, am I?"
By now Hagler was a boxing superstar but he was also ageing and John Mugabi took him to war in a Las Vegas thriller in 1986. Hagler's amazing chin saw him through to an 11-round knockout but then came a catastrophic defence against Leonard in April 1987, when Hagler sought to outbox the comebacking challenger in a bizarre attempt at humiliating him. It cost him the decision and a few unhappy few years when he made the decision to walk away but eventually he was able to savour his incredible boxing career. "I played it like a man," he said, "and loved it like a boy."

Re: The Marvelous One has died

Posted: 17 Mar 2021, 07:47
by bigjack
bennie wrote: 17 Mar 2021, 07:33 I remember watching Hagler for the first time in Monaco in 1979 against the rugged and clever Argentine Norberto Cabrera. They showed the fight on ITV's World of Sport and Hagler looked unbeatable as he picked Cabrera apart and stopped him in the eighth round. Topping the bill that night was Hugo Corro's defence of his world middleweight title against Italy's Vito Antuofermo. Corro watched Hagler outclass his compatriot and decided he wanted no part of him. He threw the Vito fight and threw away his world title, allowing Antuofermo to outwork him throughout the 15-rounder without ever getting hurt.
Hagler then challenged Antuofermo for the title later in 1979 and boxed as if he were already the champion. There was an arrogant air about the challenger and it was Antuofermo who fought harder and wanted it more. Vito gave the greatest performance of his career and deserved to retain his title with a 15-round draw. Hagler moaned and groaned but deep down he knew he didn't go out there and really take the title because when he got a second chance against Alan Minter a year later, he did just that and butchered Minter in three rounds in a fight marred by racism.
Hagler's first defence against Fully Obel in January 1981 in Boston is one of the greatest single displays I've ever seen from a fighter. Hagler swamped the tall, unbeaten Obel with brilliant short punches until Obel turned his back seconds into the eighth round and referee Octavio Meyran stepped in. Marvin then settled the score with Antuofermo on a cuts stoppage after four bloody rounds in Boston in June 1981, dropping Vito in the third. Sadly, the fight is best remembered for the disgusting behaviour of Panama Lewis and Freddie Brown in Antuofermo's corner, who believed that Hagler's head had carved up their man. The referee stood firm and Hagler jumped into the air when he won. He went over to commiserate with Vito but Lewis and Brown played up yet again and Hagler was pulled away by the Petronellis.
Hagler continued his busy campaign as he carved up Mustafa Hamsho in 11 rounds on a card shared by Mike Weaver's hard-earned decision over James Tillis (Hamsho needed 55 stitches), and followed up with quick wins over Wilford Scypion, Caveman Lee, Tony Sibson and Obel again, all of whom were outclassed. Boxing News hailed him "Mr Perfection" after the Scypion four-round dismissal but if Hagler did have a weakness, it showed against Roberto Duran in Las Vegas in 1983 when the southpaw champion was made to look mechanical by the naturally gifted Duran, who was ahead in the fight after 13 rounds. Hagler, belatedly, drove forward and won the last two rounds to take the verdict but ringsider Ray Leonard had seen plenty.
Hagler also struggled in his next defence against Argentina's Juan Domingo Roldan, who fought much of the fight with a badly swollen eye but still made Hagler look ponderous at times before he was stopped in the 10th round. The champion was due a big performance and it came in a rematch with Hamsho in three one-sided rounds in October 1984 and in a stirring win over Tommy Hearns six months later in Las Vegas, also in three rounds. Referee Richard Steele barked "Can you see?" to Hagler at the end of the second, with the champion cut on the forehead and the blood seeping into his eyes. "I ain't missing him, am I?"
By now Hagler was a boxing superstar but he was also ageing and John Mugabi took him to war in a Las Vegas thriller in 1986. Hagler's amazing chin saw him through to an 11-round knockout but then came a catastrophic defence against Leonard in April 1987, when Hagler sought to outbox the comebacking challenger in a bizarre attempt at humiliating him. It cost him the decision and a few unhappy few years when he made the decision to walk away but eventually he was able to savour his incredible boxing career. "I played it like a man," he said, "and loved it like a boy."
After all the brilliant performanes i'll never work out why Hagler boxed orthodox in the first couple of rounds v Leonard.

Re: The Marvelous One has died

Posted: 17 Mar 2021, 08:45
by coghaugen11
Hagler wanted no excuses from Leonard, ie southpaw or too big etc. So tried to box him and orthodox. He soon realised he was no longer the sharp skillster of the mid-70s though

Re: The Marvelous One has died

Posted: 23 Mar 2021, 19:41
by THEBUTCH
The B.A.D. boxing podcast do a nice tribute to Hagler. Free download.

That's Booth, Arthur and Dixon by the way.

Re: The Marvelous One has died

Posted: 28 Mar 2021, 05:31
by MightyWarrior
What a terrific piece in the latest Boxing News by Springs Toledo on Marvin, a story I’d never heard before. Great tribute to the (other) Brockton Blockbuster.