Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 06 Nov 2025, 04:48
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Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 14 Dec 2025, 08:00
Love it
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 14 Dec 2025, 08:55
if Khan had had Allen's chin
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 14 Dec 2025, 09:12
To be fair to Khan his stoppage losses bar one were against world class and p4p boxers.
Allen has stoppage losses against domestic class boxers bar one loss against Ortiz
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 14 Dec 2025, 09:15
His stoppage losses were due to his defence, stamina and just being outclassed. His chin is an all time great contender.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 09:12To be fair to Khan his stoppage losses bar one were against world class and p4p boxers.
Allen has stoppage losses against domestic class boxers bar one loss against Ortiz
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 14 Dec 2025, 09:53
I like Allen , his chin is good but please an all time great contender???joshj909 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 09:15His stoppage losses were due to his defence, stamina and just being outclassed. His chin is an all time great contender.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 09:12To be fair to Khan his stoppage losses bar one were against world class and p4p boxers.
Allen has stoppage losses against domestic class boxers bar one loss against Ortiz
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 14 Dec 2025, 10:51
Khan was hit with plenty of power shots and didn’t go down.
His chin wasn’t the worst. Yeh, he got dropped a few times as well but always back on his feet ready to go again.
He had a ‘never give up’ attitude.
The Canelo KO, would have stopped anyone.
His chin wasn’t the worst. Yeh, he got dropped a few times as well but always back on his feet ready to go again.
He had a ‘never give up’ attitude.
The Canelo KO, would have stopped anyone.
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 14 Dec 2025, 11:12
Yes. He was a punchbag taking tonnes of clean shots against many heavy hitting heavyweights and hasn't gone down once. It's a hypothetical title as it's impossible to prove but he is no doubt a contenderOld bones Ian wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 09:53I like Allen , his chin is good but please an all time great contender???joshj909 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 09:15His stoppage losses were due to his defence, stamina and just being outclassed. His chin is an all time great contender.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 09:12
To be fair to Khan his stoppage losses bar one were against world class and p4p boxers.
Allen has stoppage losses against domestic class boxers bar one loss against Ortiz
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 10:34
Khan was wobbled in almost every single fight. He put on a chin-best performance vs Maidana but apart from that was wobbled and on jelly legs, KO'd horribly a number of times - Prescott, Garcia, Canelo... dancing round the ring vs Limond at the start of his career and then again at the end off a Brook jab...Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 10:51 Khan was hit with plenty of power shots and didn’t go down.
His chin wasn’t the worst. Yeh, he got dropped a few times as well but always back on his feet ready to go again.
He had a ‘never give up’ attitude.
The Canelo KO, would have stopped anyone.
If his chin isn't the worst - even Audley Harrison struggles to compete with his highlight reel of KOs and KDs - then whose do you think is?
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 10:51
No he wasn't.sharpei_louis wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 10:34Khan was wobbled in almost every single fight. He put on a chin-best performance vs Maidana but apart from that was wobbled and on jelly legs, KO'd horribly a number of times - Prescott, Garcia, Canelo... dancing round the ring vs Limond at the start of his career and then again at the end off a Brook jab...Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 10:51 Khan was hit with plenty of power shots and didn’t go down.
His chin wasn’t the worst. Yeh, he got dropped a few times as well but always back on his feet ready to go again.
He had a ‘never give up’ attitude.
The Canelo KO, would have stopped anyone.
If his chin isn't the worst - even Audley Harrison struggles to compete with his highlight reel of KOs and KDs - then whose do you think is?
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 11:36
I certainly can’t think of many boxers more fragile than Khan? David Price maybe?
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 12:06
What about guys who didn't make it that far and have more stoppage losses?Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 11:36 I certainly can’t think of many boxers more fragile than Khan? David Price maybe?
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 12:30
Tbf khan foughtsharpei_louis wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 10:34Khan was wobbled in almost every single fight. He put on a chin-best performance vs Maidana but apart from that was wobbled and on jelly legs, KO'd horribly a number of times - Prescott, Garcia, Canelo... dancing round the ring vs Limond at the start of his career and then again at the end off a Brook jab...Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 10:51 Khan was hit with plenty of power shots and didn’t go down.
His chin wasn’t the worst. Yeh, he got dropped a few times as well but always back on his feet ready to go again.
He had a ‘never give up’ attitude.
The Canelo KO, would have stopped anyone.
If his chin isn't the worst - even Audley Harrison struggles to compete with his highlight reel of KOs and KDs - then whose do you think is?
Dib
Lo greco
Algerie
Alexander
Collazo
Molina
Judah
Mclosky
Malignaggi
Salita
Peterson
Kotelnick
Barrera
Fagen
St Clair
Earl
Lawton
Bull
Plus 10 or 11 early fights without a wobble
Survived a wobble v maidana
He got up off the floor to win v
Limond
Gomez?
Diaz
Vargas
For me this is a plus not easy to get off the floor to win.
Then got stopped or kod
Crawford
Brook
Alverez
Garcia
Prescott
with only Prescott out of those guys not being top of their division kind of quality.
Khan was a fast handed attacking fighter who takes risks. Anybody with that style against this level is going to hit the deck. Floyd Patterson hit the deck more times in his fights v Johannson than Khan did in his whole career.
So to say he was wobbled in every fight is a little wrong and to think he has the worst chin ever is crazy.
Floyd Patterson for example as already mentioned had over 23 career knockdowns against him. Khan I think had about 13 or 14? Not saying he was made of steel but not as bad as people make out.
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 13:03
It's difficult to establish what that means for a quality of chin because someone with better defence or offence isn't going to get hit as many times or as cleanly so they're inevitably going to get caught less.keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 12:06What about guys who didn't make it that far and have more stoppage losses?Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 11:36 I certainly can’t think of many boxers more fragile than Khan? David Price maybe?
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 13:30
In judging, amateur at least, coming back from adversity is scoring criteria.
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 13:59
Of all the debates on this forum I never expected to see this one 
If Allen had tried to win as hard as Khan did in his fights I'm pretty sure there would be more stoppage defeats and probably more conclusive in nature. There's no doubting Allen's toughness & durability, but just look at the wins Khan posted through his career.
If Allen had tried to win as hard as Khan did in his fights I'm pretty sure there would be more stoppage defeats and probably more conclusive in nature. There's no doubting Allen's toughness & durability, but just look at the wins Khan posted through his career.
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 14:18
khan was chinny. he was hurt or dropped by a wide level of fighters, not just top guys, not just big punchers. he got wobbled by a jab - please dont give me nonsense that this would happen to a guy like allen if hed just been trying harder. done in under a minute before.
he didnt have the worst chin ever though. those guys are the ones who wont make it to a high enough level for people to remember them as well. look at a guy like daniel martz, and there are guys worse than that. khan also had pretty good recovery. he was much much easier to hurt than to finish, whereas some guys they are pretty much done once you get them in trouble.
allen has an excellent chin. eaten loads of flush shots from good punchers. often with his head in a position where he wouldnt have seen all the shots coming. the 'if he only tried harder'' applies more to guys who shelled up and so didnt get hit as much as if theyd been more offensive, but allen is getting hit with the big shots already. and some of his losses allen was trying plenty, just not good enough.
if khan had allen's chin, he's not taken nearly as many knockdowns, not getting done in a round by prescott and probably able to make his class show as it went on. not being shaken up as much by peterson and thus maybe able to win a few more rounds and get the decision (which i thought he deserved anyway). but his best opponents....i think they were working out the timing when they finished him, and wouldve been able to outpoint him even if he stayed in the fight
he didnt have the worst chin ever though. those guys are the ones who wont make it to a high enough level for people to remember them as well. look at a guy like daniel martz, and there are guys worse than that. khan also had pretty good recovery. he was much much easier to hurt than to finish, whereas some guys they are pretty much done once you get them in trouble.
allen has an excellent chin. eaten loads of flush shots from good punchers. often with his head in a position where he wouldnt have seen all the shots coming. the 'if he only tried harder'' applies more to guys who shelled up and so didnt get hit as much as if theyd been more offensive, but allen is getting hit with the big shots already. and some of his losses allen was trying plenty, just not good enough.
if khan had allen's chin, he's not taken nearly as many knockdowns, not getting done in a round by prescott and probably able to make his class show as it went on. not being shaken up as much by peterson and thus maybe able to win a few more rounds and get the decision (which i thought he deserved anyway). but his best opponents....i think they were working out the timing when they finished him, and wouldve been able to outpoint him even if he stayed in the fight
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 14:50
You've never heard of the guy who had the worst chin. He got knocked out once or twice in his first few fights and found a new line of worksharpei_louis wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 10:34Khan was wobbled in almost every single fight. He put on a chin-best performance vs Maidana but apart from that was wobbled and on jelly legs, KO'd horribly a number of times - Prescott, Garcia, Canelo... dancing round the ring vs Limond at the start of his career and then again at the end off a Brook jab...Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 10:51 Khan was hit with plenty of power shots and didn’t go down.
His chin wasn’t the worst. Yeh, he got dropped a few times as well but always back on his feet ready to go again.
He had a ‘never give up’ attitude.
The Canelo KO, would have stopped anyone.
If his chin isn't the worst - even Audley Harrison struggles to compete with his highlight reel of KOs and KDs - then whose do you think is?
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 15:35
Im certain Barrera would have stopped him if hed not been cut.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 14:18 khan was chinny. he was hurt or dropped by a wide level of fighters, not just top guys, not just big punchers. he got wobbled by a jab - please dont give me nonsense that this would happen to a guy like allen if hed just been trying harder. done in under a minute before.
he didnt have the worst chin ever though. those guys are the ones who wont make it to a high enough level for people to remember them as well. look at a guy like daniel martz, and there are guys worse than that. khan also had pretty good recovery. he was much much easier to hurt than to finish, whereas some guys they are pretty much done once you get them in trouble.
allen has an excellent chin. eaten loads of flush shots from good punchers. often with his head in a position where he wouldnt have seen all the shots coming. the 'if he only tried harder'' applies more to guys who shelled up and so didnt get hit as much as if theyd been more offensive, but allen is getting hit with the big shots already. and some of his losses allen was trying plenty, just not good enough.
if khan had allen's chin, he's not taken nearly as many knockdowns, not getting done in a round by prescott and probably able to make his class show as it went on. not being shaken up as much by peterson and thus maybe able to win a few more rounds and get the decision (which i thought he deserved anyway). but his best opponents....i think they were working out the timing when they finished him, and wouldve been able to outpoint him even if he stayed in the fight
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 15 Dec 2025, 18:06
Gomez also had him chicken dancing I think
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 16 Dec 2025, 01:47
Exactly. Even the bad chins in boxing are amoungst the good chins.gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 14:50You've never heard of the guy who had the worst chin. He got knocked out once or twice in his first few fights and found a new line of worksharpei_louis wrote: ↑15 Dec 2025, 10:34Khan was wobbled in almost every single fight. He put on a chin-best performance vs Maidana but apart from that was wobbled and on jelly legs, KO'd horribly a number of times - Prescott, Garcia, Canelo... dancing round the ring vs Limond at the start of his career and then again at the end off a Brook jab...Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 10:51 Khan was hit with plenty of power shots and didn’t go down.
His chin wasn’t the worst. Yeh, he got dropped a few times as well but always back on his feet ready to go again.
He had a ‘never give up’ attitude.
The Canelo KO, would have stopped anyone.
If his chin isn't the worst - even Audley Harrison struggles to compete with his highlight reel of KOs and KDs - then whose do you think is?
My cousin tells a story of a mate he had growing up in a small town who use to go out and get drunk fight army boys every other weekend… story goes he could fight unreal and would be winning against one, two, three or even 4 at once… but the second he got hit he was out cold…
Khan is chinny at world levle… but there are guys that are chinny at any levle (but you will never know there name).
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 16 Dec 2025, 03:32
There was a kid called Chris Hooper, trained under Wharton for a while, Hooperman, and wasn't a bad amateur. Had a great start to the pros and then started getting knocked out. Regularly and quickly. He blamed a hair loss product years down the line and swears it's true and is going after them.
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 16 Dec 2025, 03:33
Tom Dallas had 10 losses and was stopped in 9 of them.
I think it’s a bit harder to judge if heavyweights are chinny or not though because all the big lads must be able to crack to a certain degree
I think it’s a bit harder to judge if heavyweights are chinny or not though because all the big lads must be able to crack to a certain degree
Re: Dave Allen.
Posted: 16 Dec 2025, 15:12
Peter Gabbidini was a good amateur, matched tough, got stopped a few times