Anthony Joshua vs. Deontay Wilder - Who wins?

[BigDoofus]

Hearn really seems to be back tracking from the fight judging by the change in language, something is amiss.

Hearn will be more bullish about it when they have other fights scheduled. “After this fight......”

[Nightmare Roy]

Hearn really seems to be back tracking from the fight judging by the change in language, something is amiss.

Based on what?

Apparently they’ve been having meetings with the saudi guys this week to sort out the deal.

The only thing that may delay it is whether Wilder fights first and I just can’t see that happening as the money he’d want would probably necessitate PPV and based on how his fight with Helenius did (something like 70k buys), I just can’t see it.

He’s also not massive at the gate. Taylor/Serrano drew a bigger gate than his fight last fight (around $1.5m).

A youtuber was saying to him you said the Wilder fight was locked in and he was saying I didn't say that. He was also downplaying Wilder's achievements when in reality he should be bigging him up to sell the fight. I don't know I just feel something has changed in the last week or so. Maybe the Saudis arnt interested any more.

[coneye]

If Usyk struggles with DDD Fury might fight him for £400m.

I've said all along Fury has ducked and bullshitted his way out of the Usyk fight , for a reason , i mean c'mon before Mick or John Doofus Fury come back with excuses and bollocks , the proof was there when he was'nt even training for the fight , no wonder Usyk got the shits and told him to do one ,

Anyway i've said it all along he's ducked it so DDD gets the shot , there hoping and praying that DDD connects a hail mary lucky punch , which we doubt but anyway there hoping he does and takes Usyks belts , THEN you can bet your life Fury will have the challenge in via Warren before DDD even gets out the ring .

Funny enough though what i would love to see is , if by a miracle it did happen and Daniel lands the lucky one , i would love for Daniel to tell Fury Foook off you only got one belt your irrelevent we'll do it BUT 70-30 Daniels way

[Nightmare Roy]

If Usyk struggles with DDD Fury might fight him for £400m.

I've said all along Fury has ducked and bullshitted his way out of the Usyk fight , for a reason , i mean c'mon before Mick or John Doofus Fury come back with excuses and bollocks , the proof was there when he was'nt even training for the fight , no wonder Usyk got the shits and told him to do one ,

Anyway i've said it all along he's ducked it so DDD gets the shot , there hoping and praying that DDD connects a hail mary lucky punch , which we doubt but anyway there hoping he does and takes Usyks belts , THEN you can bet your life Fury will have the challenge in via Warren before DDD even gets out the ring .

Funny enough though what i would love to see is , if by a miracle it did happen and Daniel lands the lucky one , i would love for Daniel to tell Fury Foook off you only got one belt your irrelevent we'll do it BUT 70-30 Daniels way

For sure if DDD pulls off the upset, that fight would get made in a heartbeat, can't see it happening though.

[Redback Rasta]

?

Hearn says he has met with the Saudis a number of times, including twice over in Saudi Arabia, and is now putting a 2 to 3 week timeframe on wrapping the Wilder fight up. Otherwise he will 'look at a November/December fight for Joshua'.

Wilder seems to be wanting a fight in October but Hearn says that 'concerns him' and he would rather see Wilder fight in September.

Meanwhile, despite all this talking, there is still no mention of anyone ever having received anything in writing.

Timeframes and deadlines?
The Knitting Circle would have you believe that being subject to timeframes and deadlines was a perfectly good reason to duck a fight.

There's no certainty Joshua-Wilder will happen.

No paperwork.
The date keeps slipping.
Hearn still talking about the money having to be right.

Makes me wonder what the hell has been discussed at the 5 meetings Hearn claims have taken place?

[Ruthless-RKO]

David Price: "You Can't Write Joshua Off, He Can Do Damage Against Wilder"

"I obviously think Joshua's got a better chance going into the fight, after Saturday night. If he hadn’t fought on Saturday night and went straight into the Wilder fight, I’d have given him little chance to be honest," Price said to Betway.

"It might have even worked out better for him that he fought Robert Helenius, because he's as tall as Deontay Wilder, so he's proved to himself that he can land the big shot on the tall man. Of course, he knows that anyway, but more recently he hasn't been able to do that.

"So, it might have worked better that he fought Robert Helenius rather than Dillion Whyte, who he’s already knocked out before and whose style was more suited to him. He proved that he can adapt at short notice, on Saturday night. The style of fighting was completely different, and it didn't affect them. He kept focused, stuck to a game plan, and got the big win."

"After Saturday night, I think Joshua’s given himself a much bigger chance of going in and doing some damage. You definitely cannot write Anthony Joshua off in that fight because what he has got that Wilder hasn’t is the up-close firepower - the short-range to mid-range punch. And Anthony Joshua wins in that range every time against Deontay Wilder, and probably against most heavyweights, if not all of them. His uppercut, left hook, and right hook got him so many devastating knockouts early on in his career and could do the damage against Deontay Wilder," Price said.

"You've got to favor Deontay Wilder, based on the more recent form and his carefree attitude, in my opinion. But that being said, he's being in three grueling fights with Tyson Fury that might have taken something off him. It might have put miles on the clock. We didn't see evidence of it against Robert Helenius because it was over within a round, but 3, 4, 6 rounds deep into a fight with AJ, and he might show signs of those three fights – we’ll find out."

[coneye]

An excellent summing up by Dominic Ingle. The Interviewer comes over very well, too:

Great interview that, who is the interviewer, really enjoyed their considered approach, quite refreshing change from the bombast and bootlicking these days.

I always enjoy the Dominic Ingle interviews , straight shooter and knows the game backwards .

[big lennox]

I think it would be a shame if Joshua vs Wilder doesn't happen in January.

I don't understand why Wilder hasn't bothered to fight all year but then suddenly starts to look at a fight in October, and risk jeapodising the AJ fight in January.

Has anyone seen the Fury Netflix series? I've binged watched it and my thoughts are:

1. He has a good life away from boxing and is obviously surrounded by a close family. And that is nice to see.

2. I think he is slightly stuck between wanting to have the discipline of 'going to work/training camp' but feels he has already got out of the game what he wanted, so his motivation to compete isnt what it once was.

3. I think he wanted a 'safe' fight last December so his family could come and watch him live without the danger of him coming a cropper. I can't fully begrudge him that given his wars with Wilder, even though I think it is a shame for his legacy, the sport and for Chisora's health.

4. George Warren and the lawyers were obviously working very hard to try and make the AJ fight, but Fury was keen to press on with the tight deadlines he was imposing. A restless mind.

5. I don't think Fury wants a bar of Uysk at this stage of his career - I don't think that fight will ever happen now. If Fury truly wanted that fight, then it would be made, but he has moved into 'events and entertainment' so is now in a different arena to Uysk.

The documentary is obviously a bit contrived but it is good to see a boxer have such a happy life outside of the ring.

Most of the heavyweight champions of the 80s and 90s seemed to have complicated private lives and you worried about their future. Tyson seems to be part of a tight and loving family, which is all you can wish for anyone.

I like Tommy a lot. Seems very grounded and straight forward and I hope he pastes KSI.

[maverick23]

I think it would be a shame if Joshua vs Wilder doesn't happen in January.

I don't understand why Wilder hasn't bothered to fight all year but then suddenly starts to look at a fight in October, and risk jeapodising the AJ fight in January.

Has anyone seen the Fury Netflix series? I've binged watched it and my thoughts are:

1. He has a good life away from boxing and is obviously surrounded by a close family. And that is nice to see.

2. I think he is slightly stuck between wanting to have the discipline of 'going to work/training camp' but feels he has already got out of the game what he wanted, so his motivation to compete isnt what it once was.

3. I think he wanted a 'safe' fight last December so his family could come and watch him live without the danger of him coming a cropper. I can't fully begrudge him that given his wars with Wilder, even though I think it is a shame for his legacy, the sport and for Chisora's health.

4. George Warren and the lawyers were obviously working very hard to try and make the AJ fight, but Fury was keen to press on with the tight deadlines he was imposing. A restless mind.

5. I don't think Fury wants a bar of Uysk at this stage of his career - I don't think that fight will ever happen now. If Fury truly wanted that fight, then it would be made, but he has moved into 'events and entertainment' so is now in a different arena to Uysk.

The documentary is obviously a bit contrived but it is good to see a boxer have such a happy life outside of the ring.

Most of the heavyweight champions of the 80s and 90s seemed to have complicated private lives and you worried about their future. Tyson seems to be part of a tight and loving family, which is all you can wish for anyone.

I like Tommy a lot. Seems very grounded and straight forward and I hope he pastes KSI.

Wilder will want a lot of money to fight and unless he fights a big name on PPV the money isn’t there for it.

He fought Helenius on PPV and did something like 70,000 buys and c.$1.5m on the gate. Once you take into account the advertising from the tv network, promotional costs, undercard and opponent, someone would have taken a big hit on it.

I don’t think the money is there for him to fight on regular Showtime based on, I’d imagine, how much he’d expect. And I’d they’d go PPV then it has to be Ruiz really which doesn’t look likely.

[BigDoofus]

Wilder will want a lot of money to fight and unless he fights a big name on PPV the money isn’t there for it.

He fought Helenius on PPV and did something like 70,000 buys and c.$1.5m on the gate. Once you take into account the advertising from the tv network, promotional costs, undercard and opponent, someone would have taken a big hit on it.

I don’t think the money is there for him to fight on regular Showtime based on, I’d imagine, how much he’d expect. And I’d they’d go PPV then it has to be Ruiz really which doesn’t look likely.

How did this compare with Joshua v Helenius PPV numbers?

[maverick23]

Wilder will want a lot of money to fight and unless he fights a big name on PPV the money isn’t there for it.

He fought Helenius on PPV and did something like 70,000 buys and c.$1.5m on the gate. Once you take into account the advertising from the tv network, promotional costs, undercard and opponent, someone would have taken a big hit on it.

I don’t think the money is there for him to fight on regular Showtime based on, I’d imagine, how much he’d expect. And I’d they’d go PPV then it has to be Ruiz really which doesn’t look likely.

How did this compare with Joshua v Helenius PPV numbers?

It wisely wasn’t on PPV.

[The Gratest]

Doofy showing up his paper thin boxing knowledge again

[BigDoofus]

Wilder will want a lot of money to fight and unless he fights a big name on PPV the money isn’t there for it.

He fought Helenius on PPV and did something like 70,000 buys and c.$1.5m on the gate. Once you take into account the advertising from the tv network, promotional costs, undercard and opponent, someone would have taken a big hit on it.

I don’t think the money is there for him to fight on regular Showtime based on, I’d imagine, how much he’d expect. And I’d they’d go PPV then it has to be Ruiz really which doesn’t look likely.

How did this compare with Joshua v Helenius PPV numbers?

It wisely wasn’t on PPV.

Wilder v Helenius did an estimated 75,000 PPV’s at $74.99 = $5,624,250
Joshua v Helenius did 0 and Joshua pocketed £8m.
And you’re worrying about the finances of Wilder v Helenius.

[maverick23]

How did this compare with Joshua v Helenius PPV numbers?

It wisely wasn’t on PPV.

Wilder v Helenius did an estimated 75,000 PPV’s at $74.99 = $5,624,250
Joshua v Helenius did 0 and Joshua pocketed £8m.
And you’re worrying about the finances of Wilder v Helenius.

I’m not worrying about anything.

I’m explaining the likely reason Wilder hasn’t fought this year and doesn’t look like fighting this year.

[jwfg]

How did this compare with Joshua v Helenius PPV numbers?

It wisely wasn’t on PPV.

Wilder v Helenius did an estimated 75,000 PPV’s at $74.99 = $5,624,250
Joshua v Helenius did 0 and Joshua pocketed £8m.
And you’re worrying about the finances of Wilder v Helenius.

Didn't Wilder get £20M for the Helenius fight?

[maverick23]

It wisely wasn’t on PPV.

Wilder v Helenius did an estimated 75,000 PPV’s at $74.99 = $5,624,250
Joshua v Helenius did 0 and Joshua pocketed £8m.
And you’re worrying about the finances of Wilder v Helenius.

Didn't Wilder get £20M for the Helenius fight?

No - he didn’t make that much.

[jwfg]

Wilder v Helenius did an estimated 75,000 PPV’s at $74.99 = $5,624,250
Joshua v Helenius did 0 and Joshua pocketed £8m.
And you’re worrying about the finances of Wilder v Helenius.

Didn't Wilder get £20M for the Helenius fight?

No - he didn’t make that much.

You're telling me everything on the internet isn't true?

[maverick23]

Didn't Wilder get £20M for the Helenius fight?

No - he didn’t make that much.

You're telling me everything on the internet isn't true?

afraid so.

[jwfg]

No - he didn’t make that much.

You're telling me everything on the internet isn't true?

afraid so.

[jwfg]

I have a feeling this will decide the WBC mandatory.

[oogiebe]

You're telling me everything on the internet isn't true?

afraid so.

Not that I give a shite, but everywhere I've looked reports Wilder's purse as 20 mill. Helenius got 1 mill.

[Gran Hermano]

I think it would be a shame if Joshua vs Wilder doesn't happen in January.

I don't understand why Wilder hasn't bothered to fight all year but then suddenly starts to look at a fight in October, and risk jeapodising the AJ fight in January.

Has anyone seen the Fury Netflix series? I've binged watched it and my thoughts are:

1. He has a good life away from boxing and is obviously surrounded by a close family. And that is nice to see.

2. I think he is slightly stuck between wanting to have the discipline of 'going to work/training camp' but feels he has already got out of the game what he wanted, so his motivation to compete isnt what it once was.

3. I think he wanted a 'safe' fight last December so his family could come and watch him live without the danger of him coming a cropper. I can't fully begrudge him that given his wars with Wilder, even though I think it is a shame for his legacy, the sport and for Chisora's health.

4. George Warren and the lawyers were obviously working very hard to try and make the AJ fight, but Fury was keen to press on with the tight deadlines he was imposing. A restless mind.

5. I don't think Fury wants a bar of Uysk at this stage of his career - I don't think that fight will ever happen now. If Fury truly wanted that fight, then it would be made, but he has moved into 'events and entertainment' so is now in a different arena to Uysk.

The documentary is obviously a bit contrived but it is good to see a boxer have such a happy life outside of the ring.

Most of the heavyweight champions of the 80s and 90s seemed to have complicated private lives and you worried about their future. Tyson seems to be part of a tight and loving family, which is all you can wish for anyone.

I like Tommy a lot. Seems very grounded and straight forward and I hope he pastes KSI.

Completely agree. Confirmed what I thought about Fury - he doesn't want to fight for the glory. It's always for the money. If he could he would fight Ngannou/Jon Jones/Thor types for the rest of his career. He doesn't want Joshua or Usyk because those paydays could disappear.

[cormack]

Doofy showing up his paper thin boxing knowledge again

Harsh

[jwfg]

Helenius got 1 mill.

A million for every punch taken, apart from the brain damage, not a bad night's work.

[Twinkle Toes]

I tend to agree with others, Hearn does seem to have cooled on this fight happening.