Jakub079 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2024, 11:12
Do you have any idea how it's possible that Buster, who beat Tyson, didn't achieve even a small fraction of what he did? Tyson won 12 title fights and Buster 1, Tyson won 3 fights that Buster lost to, even before their fight the odds were 42-1 for Tyson, are people blind or did Douglas only wake up for that one night?
Tyson beat over the hill, mediocre fighters. Buster stopped a young Tyson. End of discussion.
Buster also lost to Tony Tucker who Mike Tyson beat, and was smashed way easier by Holyfield than Tyson was.
I wonder if Tyson's management would've ever went for a Buster rematch or if they would've just been content to write him off as a bad style matchup for their guy?
Boxing history is funny like that. Where a guy can have a win over someone, but not necessarily be regarded by history as the better fighter.
That is definitely the case with Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson.
He definitely beat the sh*t out of Mike. No one can take that away.
But I think very, very few would rate him ahead of Mike on an all time list.
While that is true, it clearly wasn't the same guy from Tokyo. I do think the guy from Tokyo gives Holyfield all types of problems.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 24 Mar 2024, 20:04
by p4p1
elmersalsa wrote: ↑24 Mar 2024, 17:16
I have always said that the Buster Douglas that beat the great Mike Tyson in Tokyo in February 1990, could have beaten any other heavyweight, past or present, that night. He had the tools. He was tall (6'4") with the right weight (231lbs), with a terrific fast jab, mobility, ring general ship, with vicious right hand and upper cuts.
Tyson couldn't cope with that speed of feet and hands. Plus, Everytime that Tyson tried to rush in, Douglas smothered him up beautifully and tied him up. It was a sensational performance. His best win ever.
I thought that he was going to do the same thing against the great Evander Holyfield, but, he let a lot of people down. Especially, at weigh in at 246lbs. That was the beginning of that downfall.
For a short HW, Tyson's lack of a great inside game was a huge short coming IMO. At mid-range he was amazing but on the inside he got tied up too easily and was too happy to let guys do it as well.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 24 Mar 2024, 22:56
by gilgamesh
elmersalsa wrote: ↑24 Mar 2024, 17:16
I have always said that the Buster Douglas that beat the great Mike Tyson in Tokyo in February 1990, could have beaten any other heavyweight, past or present, that night. He had the tools. He was tall (6'4") with the right weight (231lbs), with a terrific fast jab, mobility, ring general ship, with vicious right hand and upper cuts.
Tyson couldn't cope with that speed of feet and hands. Plus, Everytime that Tyson tried to rush in, Douglas smothered him up beautifully and tied him up. It was a sensational performance. His best win ever.
I thought that he was going to do the same thing against the great Evander Holyfield, but, he let a lot of people down. Especially, at weigh in at 246lbs. That was the beginning of that downfall.
I don't think Buster Douglas of Tokyo was Invincible or unbeatable. He'd give many Heavyweights a hard nights work. He'd lose to many.
Everybody wouldn't have overlooked him the way Mike Tyson did.
How would Buster's night have gone in Tokyo if he got some real adversity? He pretty much had his way the whole night.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Tyson beat over the hill, mediocre fighters. Buster stopped a young Tyson. End of discussion.
Buster also lost to Tony Tucker who Mike Tyson beat, and was smashed way easier by Holyfield than Tyson was.
I wonder if Tyson's management would've ever went for a Buster rematch or if they would've just been content to write him off as a bad style matchup for their guy?
Boxing history is funny like that. Where a guy can have a win over someone, but not necessarily be regarded by history as the better fighter.
That is definitely the case with Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson.
He definitely beat the sh*t out of Mike. No one can take that away.
But I think very, very few would rate him ahead of Mike on an all time list.
While that is true, it clearly wasn't the same guy from Tokyo. I do think the guy from Tokyo gives Holyfield all types of problems.
If it's Holyfield vs Douglas from Tokyo. I figure Holyfield stops him in 8 rounds instead of 3, but he still stops him.
Douglas was one of them guys that once he got life changing money he never could find the motivation again, and I can understand that honestly. I can't say I'd wanna get up at 6 AM and go jogging in the morning when I'm a multi millionaire either.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 25 Mar 2024, 13:57
by cfang
apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Mar 2024, 16:40
I think Holy fought one of the best versions of Mike in their first fight. Most probably Mike was training very serious bc he wanted so bad to redeem himself. That was a more mature&experienced version of Mike.
I think this may be true. It was Tyson’s last great performance really.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 25 Mar 2024, 13:58
by cfang
Evander really knocked the fight out of him.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 25 Mar 2024, 16:03
by Caractacus
-1989-
( pre-Tokyo)
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 26 Mar 2024, 16:01
by Caractacus
most likely Mike Tyson 'inspired" (post-Tokyo)
-1990-
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 26 Mar 2024, 16:20
by Caractacus
-1984-
-1985-
I remembering appearing on TV sitcoms like WEBSTER back in 1986.
He was on a lot of shows then like this this one too.
-1986-
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 04:21
by apollo creed
Mike sounds more like an intellectual person than a fighter. He reminds me of Beast character from X-Men. lol
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 10:38
by elmersalsa
apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Mar 2024, 04:21
Mike sounds more like an intellectual person than a fighter. He reminds me of Beast character from X-Men. lol
Believe it. He was very smart.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Mar 2024, 04:21
Mike sounds more like an intellectual person than a fighter. He reminds me of Beast character from X-Men. lol
Believe it. He was very smart.
Well he is. It's a pity that he could not avenged at that time his loss against Buster. In that night Buster fought the best fight of his life. He was very gritty and clever.
Mike's best fights imo are Tucker, Buster and Holy I. Best win is Tucker.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 11:18
by apollo creed
Btw about some people saying that Holmes is Mike's best win, which on paper it may look like but that version of Holmes was a poor one:
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 11:28
by apollo creed
Ruddock 2 was another good fight too.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 14:34
by Caractacus
-1986-
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 14:41
by Caractacus
-1988-
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 29 Mar 2024, 15:07
by Caractacus
remember this interview ?
-2002-
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 02 Apr 2024, 16:54
by Caractacus
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 02 Apr 2024, 20:22
by elmersalsa
Love him or hate him, like Muhammad Ali, you got to see the great Mike Tyson fight. He was something else.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 03 Apr 2024, 05:14
by Controversial
elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:22
Love him or hate him, like Muhammad Ali, you got to see the great Mike Tyson fight. He was something else.
Yeah I agree. He wasn't the nicest bloke in the world and he obviously has some sort of personality disorder but in terms of fighting he was great to watch. We see a more chilled out version of Mike these days but back in the day it was a different story.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 20:22
Love him or hate him, like Muhammad Ali, you got to see the great Mike Tyson fight. He was something else.
Yeah I agree. He wasn't the nicest bloke in the world and he obviously has some sort of personality disorder but in terms of fighting he was great to watch. We see a more chilled out version of Mike these days but back in the day it was a different story.
Yes.
Mostly people that lived in that era wanted to see a first round knockout or controversial tirade by Iron Mike. It was some great times on the history of boxing since the Muhammad Ali era.
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 03 Apr 2024, 13:02
by Caractacus
anyone else here remember seeing Mike Tyson's first apperance on ESPN ?
-June 1985-
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 03 Apr 2024, 18:58
by Caractacus
-1989-
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 06 Apr 2024, 15:31
by Caractacus
This is where across America, got their first view of Mike Tyson on live 'Coast to Coast" ABC-television
a small ring and 8 oz gloves
-Sunday.16.February 1986-
where were you ?
Re: Mike Tyson - a big example of great marketing and hype
Posted: 07 Apr 2024, 11:01
by Ambling Alp II
If this is the fight I am thinking of, it was ruled a DQ at the time. Then it was after changed to a TKO.
