Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Joseph Parker - WBO Ordered
Posted: 14 Aug 2025, 14:13
Ofcourse
Come off it Kiwi
Whether they strip Usyk of a belt or not. He's the Undisputed Champion. He's been the Undisputed Champion since the first Fury fight.
CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025, 21:33Come off it Kiwi![]()
Usyk's earned the right to fight or not fight whoever he wants. He's not ducking Parker per se, he's biding his time waiting for the fight with the best risk / reward ratio. Doesn't matter if Usyk gets stripped or not, he's still the undisputed champ in the peoples' eyes and if Parker were to pick up the WBO belt and masquerade as champion it would mean nothing.
By the letter of the law what you say is correct but we all agree on here that mandatory obligations are just a symptom of the malaise that’s caused by having four different belts. In an ideal world the champ should fight the best opponent available, not a guy who’s been manoeuvred by a certain sanctioning body into a mandatory positionKiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025, 00:33CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025, 21:33Come off it Kiwi![]()
Usyk's earned the right to fight or not fight whoever he wants. He's not ducking Parker per se, he's biding his time waiting for the fight with the best risk / reward ratio. Doesn't matter if Usyk gets stripped or not, he's still the undisputed champ in the peoples' eyes and if Parker were to pick up the WBO belt and masquerade as champion it would mean nothing.
What your saying is biding his time,waiting for the best fight - that isn't deliberately stalling his mandatory obligations?
Uysk is #1 - no doubt, but there are obligations that go with it.
He already had his money choice and fought Dubois, while Kayabel and Parker patiently waited. And Parker has said he definitely doesn't want to be gifted the belt, he wants the fight.
Parker isn't just the #1 contender in the eyes of the WBO though. He's the true #1 contender. He deserves his shot more than anyone else in the division. In many cases Alphabet Soup mandatories aren't worthy. This isn't one of those cases.CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025, 22:00By the letter of the law what you say is correct but we all agree on here that mandatory obligations are just a symptom of the malaise that’s caused by having four different belts. In an ideal world the champ should fight the best opponent available, not a guy who’s been manoeuvred by a certain sanctioning body into a mandatory positionKiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025, 00:33CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025, 21:33
Come off it Kiwi![]()
Usyk's earned the right to fight or not fight whoever he wants. He's not ducking Parker per se, he's biding his time waiting for the fight with the best risk / reward ratio. Doesn't matter if Usyk gets stripped or not, he's still the undisputed champ in the peoples' eyes and if Parker were to pick up the WBO belt and masquerade as champion it would mean nothing.
What your saying is biding his time,waiting for the best fight - that isn't deliberately stalling his mandatory obligations?
Uysk is #1 - no doubt, but there are obligations that go with it.
He already had his money choice and fought Dubois, while Kayabel and Parker patiently waited. And Parker has said he definitely doesn't want to be gifted the belt, he wants the fight.
Parker is certainly a candidate for a shot at the man but I think his recent run of wins weren’t as impressive as Dubois’ last 3 fights and so when Dubois, as the most attractive opponent out there, was offered a shot at the undisputed title he rightly took it.
I don’t think Parker brings enough to the table to tempt Usyk into what would be a routine fight that has no particular angle to it to boost PPV sales. I’d sooner see him face Kabayel or Itauma or even Fury again - fights with some intrigue to them - or maybe even a fan friendly guy like Wardley who wouldn’t take a backward step all night.
Who is the #1 contender then? Who's done more?CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025, 01:06 I don't think he is the #1 contender and i don't understand why there's such a clamour for him to get a shot.
He's dropped twice against Zhang and edges out a narrow victory against a man who Kabayel destroyed. Then he goes the distance with a totally shot Wilder who gets laid out by Zheng in his next fight. Then he beats a fringe guy who hadn't trained and was totally unprepared for the fight
What's so impressive ? What in those performances compels the undisputed champ to give him a shot ?
Not the point thoughTwinkle Toes wrote: ↑08 Sep 2025, 05:18 Personally I don't see a fight with Parker having much bearing on Usyk's legacy.
I think the form of some of the opponents in Parker's "renaissance" wins since they have fought Parker is also a factor in why Kab might be considered a better fighter and a better chance vs Usyk.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025, 16:32 A lot of us were writing Parker off years ago, even before Joyce, but the champions of that period have slid at a faster rate and he's caught up.
He's probably as deserving as Kab, the trouble is we've seen him come up short in the past and know what he's about. Maybe Kab's no better (possibly worse), but he's got the mystique of the unknown.
It's interesting - I think the bookies'd be quite even on Kab-Parker, but would go much longer on Parker than Kab against Usyk.
Bakolie boxed a draw since Parker.stujones wrote: ↑08 Sep 2025, 08:52I think the form of some of the opponents in Parker's "renaissance" wins since they have fought Parker is also a factor in why Kab might be considered a better fighter and a better chance vs Usyk.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025, 16:32 A lot of us were writing Parker off years ago, even before Joyce, but the champions of that period have slid at a faster rate and he's caught up.
He's probably as deserving as Kab, the trouble is we've seen him come up short in the past and know what he's about. Maybe Kab's no better (possibly worse), but he's got the mystique of the unknown.
It's interesting - I think the bookies'd be quite even on Kab-Parker, but would go much longer on Parker than Kab against Usyk.
Zhang - gave Parker a close fight, Parker squeezed out a majority decision as Zhang gassed down the stretch. Kab - largely outclassed and KO'd Zhang. He kind of blew the mystique of Zhang. Yes, could be argued that Parker got there first - but Kab's display was much more convincing.
Wilder - this looked like a great great win for Parker - until we saw Zhang completely bully Wilder in his next fight and dominate him. It then seemed a case that it was Wilder gone down hill.
Bakoyle - okay no opponent since, but he had a good fight with Mr Kipling between his fights and Kipling clearly won.
Whilst again Wadley has been somewhat exposed (although he came through) vs Huni - he is the first under 40 fighter (okay Wilder was something like 39 when they fought, but same difference) he has fought with some notice. Kab's opponents in recent times have surely been more ambitious.
Kab brings power to the equation vs Usyk - not sure what Parker brings being honest, which is why I think stylewise - Kab is more trouble for Usyk than Parker. I just don't see how Parker can beat Usyk, what he brings etc. Even an aged Usyk, Parker has had a tough career (Whyte, Chisora 1, Joyce, Zhang , Ruiz- he took a lot of shots in these fights) and could age before Usyk.
Oh yeah, I forgot that. Yeah it was a draw and most people thought he was a tad lucky to get that. It was a fight he was widely expected to win before the Parker situation unfolded, so not a good result for Parker.mickey1975 wrote: ↑08 Sep 2025, 09:00Bakolie boxed a draw since Parker.stujones wrote: ↑08 Sep 2025, 08:52I think the form of some of the opponents in Parker's "renaissance" wins since they have fought Parker is also a factor in why Kab might be considered a better fighter and a better chance vs Usyk.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025, 16:32 A lot of us were writing Parker off years ago, even before Joyce, but the champions of that period have slid at a faster rate and he's caught up.
He's probably as deserving as Kab, the trouble is we've seen him come up short in the past and know what he's about. Maybe Kab's no better (possibly worse), but he's got the mystique of the unknown.
It's interesting - I think the bookies'd be quite even on Kab-Parker, but would go much longer on Parker than Kab against Usyk.
Zhang - gave Parker a close fight, Parker squeezed out a majority decision as Zhang gassed down the stretch. Kab - largely outclassed and KO'd Zhang. He kind of blew the mystique of Zhang. Yes, could be argued that Parker got there first - but Kab's display was much more convincing.
Wilder - this looked like a great great win for Parker - until we saw Zhang completely bully Wilder in his next fight and dominate him. It then seemed a case that it was Wilder gone down hill.
Bakoyle - okay no opponent since, but he had a good fight with Mr Kipling between his fights and Kipling clearly won.
Whilst again Wadley has been somewhat exposed (although he came through) vs Huni - he is the first under 40 fighter (okay Wilder was something like 39 when they fought, but same difference) he has fought with some notice. Kab's opponents in recent times have surely been more ambitious.
Kab brings power to the equation vs Usyk - not sure what Parker brings being honest, which is why I think stylewise - Kab is more trouble for Usyk than Parker. I just don't see how Parker can beat Usyk, what he brings etc. Even an aged Usyk, Parker has had a tough career (Whyte, Chisora 1, Joyce, Zhang , Ruiz- he took a lot of shots in these fights) and could age before Usyk.
We can do that for Kabayel too. He has faced:stujones wrote: ↑08 Sep 2025, 08:52I think the form of some of the opponents in Parker's "renaissance" wins since they have fought Parker is also a factor in why Kab might be considered a better fighter and a better chance vs Usyk.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025, 16:32 A lot of us were writing Parker off years ago, even before Joyce, but the champions of that period have slid at a faster rate and he's caught up.
He's probably as deserving as Kab, the trouble is we've seen him come up short in the past and know what he's about. Maybe Kab's no better (possibly worse), but he's got the mystique of the unknown.
It's interesting - I think the bookies'd be quite even on Kab-Parker, but would go much longer on Parker than Kab against Usyk.
Zhang - gave Parker a close fight, Parker squeezed out a majority decision as Zhang gassed down the stretch. Kab - largely outclassed and KO'd Zhang. He kind of blew the mystique of Zhang. Yes, could be argued that Parker got there first - but Kab's display was much more convincing.
Wilder - this looked like a great great win for Parker - until we saw Zhang completely bully Wilder in his next fight and dominate him. It then seemed a case that it was Wilder gone down hill.
Bakoyle - okay no opponent since, but he had a good fight with Mr Kipling between his fights and Kipling clearly won.
Whilst again Wadley has been somewhat exposed (although he came through) vs Huni - he is the first under 40 fighter (okay Wilder was something like 39 when they fought, but same difference) he has fought with some notice. Kab's opponents in recent times have surely been more ambitious.
Kab brings power to the equation vs Usyk - not sure what Parker brings being honest, which is why I think stylewise - Kab is more trouble for Usyk than Parker. I just don't see how Parker can beat Usyk, what he brings etc. Even an aged Usyk, Parker has had a tough career (Whyte, Chisora 1, Joyce, Zhang , Ruiz- he took a lot of shots in these fights) and could age before Usyk.
Many Heavyweight title defenses aren't big legacy shaking fights. They're just another notch on the belt. Itauma or Wilder would be the biggest names Usyk could add for legacy points. If Wilder manages another win over anyone, even another Herndon type i wouldn't be surprised to hear his name bandied about.Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑08 Sep 2025, 05:18 Personally I don't see a fight with Parker having much bearing on Usyk's legacy.