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joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 10:59

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 10:54

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 08:52 If Chisora beats Wilder, what does that say for Wilder's career upon review, and therefore Fury's? Continuing to lose against every single proven opponent he's ever faced isn't a good look for Wilder.

Probably the same as people see Calzaghe v Lacey. Great wins as an underdog against the the huge punching number one at the time. A few clowns who dislike him will try to discredit them.

Wilder was number 1??

In my eyes and anyone not brainwashed by Matchroom, yes.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:16

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 10:59

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 10:54
Probably the same as people see Calzaghe v Lacey. Great wins as an underdog against the the huge punching number one at the time. A few clowns who dislike him will try to discredit them.

Wilder was number 1??

In my eyes and anyone not brainwashed by Matchroom, yes.

Which were his most impressive opponents that solidified him as number 1 for you?

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:48

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:16

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 10:59

Wilder was number 1??

In my eyes and anyone not brainwashed by Matchroom, yes.

Which were his most impressive opponents that solidified him as number 1 for you?

In one hand, you've got Szpilka, Stiverne and an ancient Ortiz. In the other, you've got Klitschko, Parker, Povetkin, I must be brainwashed, because the latter are more impressive to me.

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:48

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:16

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 10:59

Wilder was number 1??

In my eyes and anyone not brainwashed by Matchroom, yes.

Which were his most impressive opponents that solidified him as number 1 for you?

More to the point - Jeff Lacy #1. He might have been the favourite vs Joe - but you couldn't rank him as #1 at the time. If I remember rightly we had Markus Beyer as a long time world champion of the WBC and Mikkel Kessler of the WBA - both whilst maybe not as eye catching had as good, if not better resume's than Lacy.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 13:03

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:48

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:16
In my eyes and anyone not brainwashed by Matchroom, yes.

Which were his most impressive opponents that solidified him as number 1 for you?

In one hand, you've got Szpilka, Stiverne and an ancient Ortiz. In the other, you've got Klitschko, Parker, Povetkin, I must be brainwashed, because the latter are more impressive to me.

Ok, genuinely can't be bothered going through it all again so I'll just say think Wilder was number one and would have destroyed AJ at the time.

Controversial wrote: ↑21 Jan 2026, 12:10 So that face off a while ago maybe not for show after all

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really thought they were going to kiss

Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 11:40

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 08:52 If Chisora beats Wilder, what does that say for Wilder's career upon review, and therefore Fury's? Continuing to lose against every single proven opponent he's ever faced isn't a good look for Wilder.

The credibility of Wilder's career is already shot to pieces. Don't see that a defeat to Chisora makes that much difference.

It would drop him a few notches on the all time list. Right now he's arguably better than Anthony Joshua all time. It's close, but debatable. If he gets knocked out by Chisora. The debate is over, and AJ won it without doing anything.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 14:14

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 13:03

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:48

Which were his most impressive opponents that solidified him as number 1 for you?

In one hand, you've got Szpilka, Stiverne and an ancient Ortiz. In the other, you've got Klitschko, Parker, Povetkin, I must be brainwashed, because the latter are more impressive to me.

Ok, genuinely can't be bothered going through it all again so I'll just say think Wilder was number one and would have destroyed AJ at the time.

Can you at least agree that AJ beat better opponents?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 14:14

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 13:03

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 12:48

Which were his most impressive opponents that solidified him as number 1 for you?

In one hand, you've got Szpilka, Stiverne and an ancient Ortiz. In the other, you've got Klitschko, Parker, Povetkin, I must be brainwashed, because the latter are more impressive to me.

Ok, genuinely can't be bothered going through it all again so I'll just say think Wilder was number one and would have destroyed AJ at the time.

Looking back with the benefit of hindsight, Fury's best wins for me are Chisora and Whyte

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 14:31

Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 11:40

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 08:52 If Chisora beats Wilder, what does that say for Wilder's career upon review, and therefore Fury's? Continuing to lose against every single proven opponent he's ever faced isn't a good look for Wilder.

The credibility of Wilder's career is already shot to pieces. Don't see that a defeat to Chisora makes that much difference.

It would drop him a few notches on the all time list. Right now he's arguably better than Anthony Joshua all time. It's close, but debatable. If he gets knocked out by Chisora. The debate is over, and AJ won it without doing anything.

You really think Wilder is on an ‘all-time’ list and ranks above AJ?

He literally doesn’t have one win over a world class opponent.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 18:35

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 14:31

Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 11:40

The credibility of Wilder's career is already shot to pieces. Don't see that a defeat to Chisora makes that much difference.

It would drop him a few notches on the all time list. Right now he's arguably better than Anthony Joshua all time. It's close, but debatable. If he gets knocked out by Chisora. The debate is over, and AJ won it without doing anything.

You really think Wilder is on an ‘all-time’ list and ranks above AJ?

He literally doesn’t have one win over a world class opponent.

I don't think either of them crack the all time Heavyweight Top 20, but I'd put Wilder over AJ by a thin margin. Both of them could still potentially fight more and change that perception either way.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 19:05

Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 18:35

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 14:31

It would drop him a few notches on the all time list. Right now he's arguably better than Anthony Joshua all time. It's close, but debatable. If he gets knocked out by Chisora. The debate is over, and AJ won it without doing anything.

You really think Wilder is on an ‘all-time’ list and ranks above AJ?

He literally doesn’t have one win over a world class opponent.

I don't think either of them crack the all time Heavyweight Top 20, but I'd put Wilder over AJ by a thin margin. Both of them could still potentially fight more and change that perception either way.

I just can’t see that mate.

Wilder has never beaten a good fighter.

Yes he has some tussles with Fury… but he only fought one version of Fury that was in shape and got comprehensively beaten.

Wilder isn’t even top 50 of all time heavyweights for me. Not even close.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 20:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 19:05

Frostieballs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 18:35

You really think Wilder is on an ‘all-time’ list and ranks above AJ?

He literally doesn’t have one win over a world class opponent.

I don't think either of them crack the all time Heavyweight Top 20, but I'd put Wilder over AJ by a thin margin. Both of them could still potentially fight more and change that perception either way.

I just can’t see that mate.

Wilder has never beaten a good fighter.

Yes he has some tussles with Fury… but he only fought one version of Fury that was in shape and got comprehensively beaten.

Wilder isn’t even top 50 of all time heavyweights for me. Not even close.

I agree Joshua fought slightly better competition, but he wasn't exactly a world beater either, and he also has less wins than Wilder in general and just as many losses.

Head to head I couldn't favor either man with confidence. Wilder couldn't get it done 3 times against Fury, but at least he fought him, and i think legitimately deserved the draw in their 1st bout.

If Wilder keeps fighting and getting knocked out it'll definitely drive his reputation further down. Who knows what AJ will do.

I figure they'd probably both make the Heavyweight Top 50, but admittedly I haven't delved deep enough into some of the old timers to say for sure as of this moment. I'm working on it though.

And for the record if Chis knocks out Wilder I will no longer consider him above AJ. As is he's only over him to me by the slightest margin. A win or loss for either man could change the perception still.

So apprently. The Sauerland’s are gonna promote a fight between Chisora and Wilder if it’s to happen.

In London.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 22:20 So apprently. The Sauerland’s are gonna promote a fight between Chisora and Wilder if it’s to happen.

In London.

Winner to get Wardley i take it?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 22:48

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Jan 2026, 22:20 So apprently. The Sauerland’s are gonna promote a fight between Chisora and Wilder if it’s to happen.

In London.

Winner to get Wardley i take it?

It could be if Chisora wins he gets Wardley and if Wilder wins he gets Usyk. Makes much more sense for both of them to face Wardley if they win rather than Usyk though.

I remember Wardley saying that they were looking at how flexible the WBO would be in their rankings for his defence so perhaps he wanted Wilder? Frank probably wants it to be Chisora so this would end up with one challenger.

The question would then be, who does Wardley face in the mean time? Hysa?

Wilder's best result is the Fury draw that he didn't deserve.

Another nail in boxing’s coffin, two old irrelevant hasbeens shuffling round for enormous pay cheques

I’d like to see Chisora v Moses and Wilder v Wardley, changing of the guard type fights.

All other sports are meritocracies, why can’t boxing be the same

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 13:39 Another nail in boxing’s coffin, two old irrelevant hasbeens shuffling round for enormous pay cheques

I’d like to see Chisora v Moses and Wilder v Wardley, changing of the guard type fights.

All other sports are meritocracies, why can’t boxing be the same

Only issue with that is that Wilder is so far away from deserving a title shot. Wardley has earned an easier fight for his first defence but it would be for someone that is so unworthy of fighting for a title that even the WBO don't rank them.

deadpan wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 13:32 Wilder's best result is the Fury draw that he didn't deserve.

Some people might argue Ortiz, but he was done a few years before they fought.
They never took any big risks with Wilder when he had the belt, they did underestimate Fury though, and it all came unraveled after that

deadpan wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 13:32 Wilder's best result is the Fury draw that he didn't deserve.

He did deserve it. I would sooner say Wilder won that fight than I'd say Fury won it. The draw is fair, and if you absolutely had to pick a winner in the fight. It's the guy that got 2 knockdowns.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 14:01

deadpan wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 13:32 Wilder's best result is the Fury draw that he didn't deserve.

Some people might argue Ortiz, but he was done a few years before they fought.
They never took any big risks with Wilder when he had the belt, they did underestimate Fury though, and it all came unraveled after that

Problem with Ortiz is that the only top 15 guys he ever faced were Ruiz and Wilder who both beat him. He got dropped multiple times against none other than Charles Martin. His win over Bryant Jennings looked more impressive than it was impressive. Ortiz was beating Wilder on the fan scorecards before both KO's but he couldn't finish the fight and he isn't the only one to do that. You can't give Wilder too much credit for beating him, although he is still the only win on Wilder's record that deserves any credit at all.

joshj909 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 14:57

KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 14:01

deadpan wrote: ↑23 Jan 2026, 13:32 Wilder's best result is the Fury draw that he didn't deserve.

Some people might argue Ortiz, but he was done a few years before they fought.
They never took any big risks with Wilder when he had the belt, they did underestimate Fury though, and it all came unraveled after that

Problem with Ortiz is that the only top 15 guys he ever faced were Ruiz and Wilder who both beat him. He got dropped multiple times against none other than Charles Martin. His win over Bryant Jennings looked more impressive than it was impressive. Ortiz was beating Wilder on the fan scorecards before both KO's but he couldn't finish the fight and he isn't the only one to do that. You can't give Wilder too much credit for beating him, although he is still the only win on Wilder's record that deserves any credit at all.

I agree
Ortiz got old fast. On here we were all excited about him after the Jennings win, and the Matchroom signing. But he got old fast, and never quite achieved what was expected. It's a shame, at 35 he would have finished Wilder, but Wilder's team sensibly waited.

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