Eolaithe wrote: ↑09 Jul 2026, 10:52
Finkel wrote: ↑08 Jul 2026, 21:11
As a one-time Fury fan, I have to say that there is quite a bit wrong with this post.
Admittedly, there were a few minor errors in my original post, but the general sentiments and the vast majority of the facts I originally conveyed remain accurate.
Fair enough, but if you are going to write that, you should still double check things on a second attempt.
Eddie Hearn didn’t want to promote Tyson Fury in 2018, which would have guaranteed the AJ fight, so ‘The Gypsy King’ fought Deontay Wilder instead. This definitely happened.
Certainly all true, but why didn't Hearn want to promote Tyson Fury?
In March 2021, Joshua and Fury signed a contract to fight for the undisputed championship in Saudi Arabia. However, Wilder's team took the matter to an independent judge. The arbitrator ruled that Fury was legally obliged to honour his third-fight contract with Wilder first.
Again, these facts are true, but this was very much a Fury problem.
Joshua was rated lower than Wilder and Fury when they competed in their October 2021 rematch. But you are correct, AJ was rated above those guys in 2018.
Fury was rated above Joshua, Wilder wasn't. After Fury II, Wilder wouldn't rate above Joshua until he beat Helenius in late 2022. Unfortunately, the renewed Wilder hype was shut down rather quickly by Parker.
In May 2024, Tyson Fury was interviewed stating that the Anthony Joshua fight was in the works, with plans in place for the duo to fight March the following year. What I originally wrote was correct.
That wasn't what you wrote, but sure, I guess. Though, I don't think we can really put much trust in the words of Fury given his track record.
Otto Wallin was undefeated when he fought Tyson Fury - this was also correct.
Being undefeated is a little different to being an established contender. He didn't really start to establish himself until much later. But sure.
In terms of Dereck Chisora, I stand corrected – he was rated 13th not 10th by the WBC at heavyweight when he fought Fury for the third-time. However, 'Del Boy' eventually rejoined the top-ten IBF &WBO world heavyweight rankings during 2024/25, after scoring victories over Joe Joyce and Otto Wallin (rated as highly as 2nd place by the IBF).
Dereck's wins were later and over guys rebuilding after career-defining losses. Joyce had his dreams smashed by Zhang, Wallin's by Joshua.
However, we can use retrospective rankings if you like.
Boxrec seemingly operates that way with their star system.
I also stand corrected about Makhmudov. He had suffered one genuine defeat prior to the Fury bout - the outcome of the Vianello fight was determined by an eye injury. But I did consider Arslanbek a risky opponent for Tyson, in the context of an aging previously retired boxer (inactive for 16 months) making their comeback against a fighter with a 90%+ KO ratio.
He is suitable as a come-back opponent.
It’s fair to say that since June 2019, the quality of Tyson Fury’s opposition is superior than AJ’s:
• Deontay Wilder (x3)
• Otto Wallin
• Dillian Whyte
• Derek Chisora
• Francis Ngannou
• Oleksandr Usyk (lost twice)
• Arslanbek Makhmudov
That's not quite right. These were Fury's opponents over that time period:
• Tom Schwartz (2 star)
• Otto Wallin (3 star)
• Deontay Wilder II (4 star)
• Deontay Wilder III (3 star)
• Dillian Whyte (3 star)
• Derek Chisora (3 star)
• Francis Ngannou (1 star)
• Oleksandr Usyk I(loss) (5 star)
• Oleksandr Usyk II (loss) (5 star)
• Arslanbek Makhmudov (3 star)
I have added Boxrec's star ratings as an objective measure of retrospective match-up quality:
total = 32 stars (with losses)
total = 22 stars (excluding losses)
Here are Joshua’s opponents over the same timeframe:
• Andy Ruiz Jr I (loss) (4 star)
• Andy Ruiz Jr II (4 star)
• Kubrat Pulev (3 star)
• Oleksandr Usyk I(loss) (5 star)
• Oleksandr Usyk II (loss) (5 star)
• Jermaine Franklin (2 star)
• Robert Helenius (2 star)
• Otto Wallin (3 star)
• Francis Ngannou (1 star)
• Daniel Dubois (loss) (5 star)
• Jake Paul (2 star)
Total = 36 (with losses)
Total = 17 (excluding losses)
So, we can say that since June 2019, Fury has a better resume in terms of wins (+5), but an inferior resume in terms of opposition faced (-4).
It also becomes a little more complicated if we look at performances over mutual opponents throughout their career.
• Kevin Johnson - Fury (W-UD) - Joshua (W-TKO)
• W. Klitschko - Fury (W-UD) - Joshua (W-TKO)
• Dillian Whyte - Fury (W-TKO) - Joshua (W-TKO)
• Otto Wallin - Fury (W-UD) - Joshua (W-RTD)
• Francis Ngannou - Fury (W-SD) - Joshua (W-KO)
• Oleksandr Usyk I - Fury (L-SD) - Joshua (L-UD)
• Oleksandr Usyk II - Fury (L-UD) - Joshua (L-SD)
‘The Gypsy King’ has been the proverbial A-side over Joshua since mid-2019. And there is compelling evidence that Fury wants the fight more than AJ does.
Possibly. Difficult to say really. Fury needs to constantly tell us that he is the A-side, Joshua just gets on with things for the most part. Joshua's star has definitely faded, then again Fury is about to fight Wach in Thailand...