JOHN DUDDY IS NOT BRITISH!!!!
Agreed. Boxrec should really be changing his nationality. As you say, a person born in Northern Ireland can elect to have either an Irish or British passport (maybe even dual?). The guy is an Irishman, and not for the sake of increasing his popularity in the US.TerribleTerry wrote:As we know, people born in Northern Ireland are entitled to either a British or Irish passport. As Duddy seems to have clearly stated that his preference is to be deemed Irish, boxrec and other record keepers should honour his decision, for reasons of political sensitivity if no other.
Ostensibly I feel MERC has a point (somewhere in his insulting, ill thought out posts) but his attitude and clear lack of tact means he will get nowhere on here and I for one hope Duddy’s nationality goes unchanged on this site as it will infuriate a yankie loser like MERC no end.
Duddy, his team, family etc are more then aware of his nationality. I would have more sympathy for him (MERC) but he is clearly about as Oirish as 99% of septic tanks. (ie not at all).
Duddy is from NI and hence British? Do some research before you make such ignorant statements. I am not anti-British (except in a light hearted way when it comes to sports, but even that's more anti-English), but I'll still cheer on fighters I like, regardless of whether they consider themselves British/English or not. Look at Wayne McCullough for example - brought up in a "British" community in Northern Ireland, but loved in the south anyway.livingstone cole wrote:It seems that Merc is just someone coming here to wind people up. He also comes across as a twat. Duddy is from NI and hence British. Who cares really?
I don't think the term "British Isles" even exists anymore. It originally was the geographic term to describe the islands of Great Britain and Ireland. Northern Ireland itself is not an island, and the Republic can no longer be included in this term as "British". As far as I know, Britain is Wales, England and Scotland - Great Britain includes Northern Ireland. The below website does not even include Northern Ireland as "British Isles". There are a lot of contradictions. Personally I consider Northern Ireland to be part of Britain, but it is a mix of Irish and British people. Irish people with Irish ancestors are still Irish, regardless of whether the area of the country they live in was never returned from British rule. The Brits in Northern Ireland are generally/mostly, maybe entirely coming from British roots.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Perhaps Duddy wants to be classed as British, who knows. My mym was a catholic who grew up in Northern Ireland, and did not have the priviledge of claiming an Irish passport. Duddy wouldn't have done either until recently.SticknMove wrote:There must be a 1000 posts on this subject already.
The political reality is that the Good Friday Agreement laid the framework, whereby anyone in the political divide can be classed as British or Irish. This has been endorsed in International Law and Nationalist/Republican members of that community can apply for an Irish passport, thus their status is then Irish. This is the simple fact and no other debate is necessary. John Duddy has an Irish passport therefore he is Irish. That should be the end of it.
This is the best boxing website on the internet and has a forum to match and I am baffled as to why boxrec are dragging their heals over what should be, from their standpoint as a boxing forum, a trivial matter.
Tehcnically speaking, Northern Ireland is still part of the union, that's a simple fact, so Duddy is in fact technically British. Whether he calls himself Irish or English or British is up to him, but Boxrec is correct in stating him as being someone who is born within the British Isles.
There is no loyalist tone to my argument, as I am the product of two catholics from Northern Ireland, but the facts are plain.
http://www.the-british-isles.com/
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yiddo14
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jamesmcdonnell
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the loyalists are not mostly from British roots at all. They are mainly descended from Scottish and Irish landowners who were loyal to the British forces and were rewarded with land.johnswan1 wrote:I don't think the term "British Isles" even exists anymore. It originally was the geographic term to describe the islands of Great Britain and Ireland. Northern Ireland itself is not an island, and the Republic can no longer be included in this term as "British". As far as I know, Britain is Wales, England and Scotland - Great Britain includes Northern Ireland. The below website does not even include Northern Ireland as "British Isles". There are a lot of contradictions. Personally I consider Northern Ireland to be part of Britain, but it is a mix of Irish and British people. Irish people with Irish ancestors are still Irish, regardless of whether the area of the country they live in was never returned from British rule. The Brits in Northern Ireland are generally/mostly, maybe entirely coming from British roots.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Perhaps Duddy wants to be classed as British, who knows. My mym was a catholic who grew up in Northern Ireland, and did not have the priviledge of claiming an Irish passport. Duddy wouldn't have done either until recently.SticknMove wrote:There must be a 1000 posts on this subject already.
The political reality is that the Good Friday Agreement laid the framework, whereby anyone in the political divide can be classed as British or Irish. This has been endorsed in International Law and Nationalist/Republican members of that community can apply for an Irish passport, thus their status is then Irish. This is the simple fact and no other debate is necessary. John Duddy has an Irish passport therefore he is Irish. That should be the end of it.
This is the best boxing website on the internet and has a forum to match and I am baffled as to why boxrec are dragging their heals over what should be, from their standpoint as a boxing forum, a trivial matter.
Tehcnically speaking, Northern Ireland is still part of the union, that's a simple fact, so Duddy is in fact technically British. Whether he calls himself Irish or English or British is up to him, but Boxrec is correct in stating him as being someone who is born within the British Isles.
There is no loyalist tone to my argument, as I am the product of two catholics from Northern Ireland, but the facts are plain.
http://www.the-british-isles.com/
I think perhaps a clear statement of Boxrec's policy on listing fighters nationalities, maybe as a sticky on the record enquiries page, might be a good idea as at the moment it is alittle confusing.
Duddy was born in the UK but has Irish citizenship and is listed as British
wheras Arthur Abraham was born in Armenia but his nationality has just changed from Armenian to German presumably because he now has German Citizenship
Not an issue I'd personally lose any sleep over but it might stop the same thing being discussed ad nauseum if there was a clear statement of policy.
Duddy was born in the UK but has Irish citizenship and is listed as British
wheras Arthur Abraham was born in Armenia but his nationality has just changed from Armenian to German presumably because he now has German Citizenship
Not an issue I'd personally lose any sleep over but it might stop the same thing being discussed ad nauseum if there was a clear statement of policy.
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slapbangwhallop
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He's no daniel edouard 8) , but I'd imagine he'll give Taylor a few entertaining rounds, he's tough and aggressive and a proper middleweight...Duddy has a good future as a TV fighter if he is matched properly, might even win a title...Terence wrote:Yeah he did Ding_Ding but the truth his he got Ding-Donged and was somewhat fortunate against Campas.Ding_Ding wrote:..but he still won the fightTerence wrote:Duddy must be Irish. To prove his toughness he got into a fight with an old-man who then proceeded to beat the living shit out of him.
That is a quintessentially Irish move.
The guy is going nowhere.
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slapbangwhallop
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I've seen Duddy fight, and the fact is that if he was troubled and cut up by Campas as I have been told then its not a good sign... Campas is an old man... to say that Duddy could trouble Taylor is just laughable to be honest... I've seen enough of Duddy to know that he is nowhere near Taylor in terms of ability... he is not world class simple as that...sligobhoy67 wrote:did you see the fight?? I doubt it!silkov wrote:If he was troubled by Campas then thats all you need to know about him regarding being world class... nice to watch ok, but world class no...
Re: JOHN DUDDY IS NOT BRITISH!!!!
Does anyone really care either way you dumb rude yank!!... you're the guys that are making all the fuss over what is basically a clubfighter.... now thats dumb!...MERC wrote:Why does this site say that John Duddy is British... thats rediculus and it needs to be changed. :x what the hell is wrong with you dumb brits, show some frikin respect. JOHN DUDDY = IRISH!!!!!
It'll probably get you a 'title' as well if you can take a bit of a hammering from a 36 yearold exchamp whose hardly fought in the past 5 years!...c2ute wrote:Can I be an Irishman if I want? I've got some silly bits of paper saying i'm English, but does that matter?
It's quite fashionable to be Irish these days, esp in America, it might be a good new image for me, it might even get me some wins too!
Nothing wrong with Laurel and Hardy mate, cept they arent Irish ofcourse!... I've got nothing against the Irish at all nor Americans in general... but I am fed up with the arrogant Yanks that infiltrate this forum and start or end every sentence with 'stupid Brits' ...with out us stupid Brits Bush would have been out on his arse long ago... still looking at it that way we are stupid!....McGuigan. wrote:Are you pair the boards resident laurel and hardy then?
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slapbangwhallop
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Did you see the Campas fight?? What British middleweight would have a chance against this "club fighter"??silkov wrote:It'll probably get you a 'title' as well if you can take a bit of a hammering from a 36 yearold exchamp whose hardly fought in the past 5 years!...c2ute wrote:Can I be an Irishman if I want? I've got some silly bits of paper saying i'm English, but does that matter?
It's quite fashionable to be Irish these days, esp in America, it might be a good new image for me, it might even get me some wins too!
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slapbangwhallop
- Heavyweight
the IRA arnt terrorists - the British Army are!!! I'm not going to get into that on this forum!silkov wrote:I do think its pathetic the way that the yanks go all wobbly kneed over any boxer with an ounce of Irish in them... the fact that many of them over the years have finainced the IRA is rather ironic with their current stance on world 'terrorism' ....
Tell that to the civilians that have been killed or maimed by them you fool!...sligobhoy67 wrote:the IRA arnt terrorists - the British Army are!!! I'm not going to get into that on this forum!silkov wrote:I do think its pathetic the way that the yanks go all wobbly kneed over any boxer with an ounce of Irish in them... the fact that many of them over the years have finainced the IRA is rather ironic with their current stance on world 'terrorism' ....