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stujones wrote:

gobbles wrote:

stujones wrote: Resondo Alvarez would have been an all timer if it wasn't for Lopez.

That is probably the most ridiculous clutch at straws comment I have ever read.

Seen him fight? Clearly not. A champion in his own right for 8 years in two devisions... at the lowest weight devisions. Thats something - they don't usually last as long down there... and he was absolutely mustard in his prime. The man lost 3 times - one was DQ, one to Lopez and the other was when he was past it.

What I meant was if there was no Lopez he would have been the #1 in the devision for 8 years, no hesistation - then you must consider him among the greatest in that devision ever

gobbles wrote:
greatest in that division, but what division. Light-fly and strawweight have tiny breaks between divisions and are very uncompetitive, with only a handful of countries deciding the titles. The fact that Paul Weir could become a double world champion shows how weak the divisions are.

Terence wrote:

banjo wrote:

Herol wrote:Calzaghe can slag Froch off all he likes, but Froch has a much more attractive partner than Calzaghe.

What on earth does that have to do with anything?

Not sure, but it is the #1 contender for post of the year.

stujones wrote:

gobbles wrote:
greatest in that division, but what division. Light-fly and strawweight have tiny breaks between divisions and are very uncompetitive, with only a handful of countries deciding the titles. The fact that Paul Weir could become a double world champion shows how weak the divisions are.

Paul Weir was WBO champion in the mid 90's. This was a time when the WBO were very lightly regarded...and were very "british based" and giving vacant titles. Big difference between the opposition he was facing - to the opposition Alvarez/Lopez were facing, they cleaned up the devision and were wonderful to watch. The weight devisions are small for a reason... cause the impact of moving up, even only a small number of pounds, is devastating. Look at Bunce's comments regarding Calderon and Nonito Donaire.

Watch them fight, a real joy.... and between them - they fought just about all of the top names. I am not even counting Paul Weir as someone they should have fought. A bit like saying Joe should have fought Matthew Barney.

stujones wrote:

gobbles wrote:
greatest in that division, but what division. Light-fly and strawweight have tiny breaks between divisions and are very uncompetitive, with only a handful of countries deciding the titles. The fact that Paul Weir could become a double world champion shows how weak the divisions are.

Paul Weir was WBO champion in the mid 90's. This was a time when the WBO were very lightly regarded...and were very "british based" and giving vacant titles. Big difference between the opposition he was facing - to the opposition Alvarez/Lopez were facing, they cleaned up the devision and were wonderful to watch. The weight devisions are small for a reason... cause the impact of moving up, even only a small number of pounds, is devastating. Look at Bunce's comments regarding Calderon and Nonito Donaire.

Watch them fight, a real joy.... and between them - they fought just about all of the top names. I am not even counting Paul Weir as someone they should have fought. A bit like saying Joe should have fought Matthew Barney.

Finch wrote:

stujones wrote:

gobbles wrote:
greatest in that division, but what division. Light-fly and strawweight have tiny breaks between divisions and are very uncompetitive, with only a handful of countries deciding the titles. The fact that Paul Weir could become a double world champion shows how weak the divisions are.

Paul Weir was WBO champion in the mid 90's. This was a time when the WBO were very lightly regarded...and were very "british based" and giving vacant titles. Big difference between the opposition he was facing - to the opposition Alvarez/Lopez were facing, they cleaned up the devision and were wonderful to watch. The weight devisions are small for a reason... cause the impact of moving up, even only a small number of pounds, is devastating. Look at Bunce's comments regarding Calderon and Nonito Donaire.

Watch them fight, a real joy.... and between them - they fought just about all of the top names. I am not even counting Paul Weir as someone they should have fought. A bit like saying Joe should have fought Matthew Barney.

Well it wasn't as a senior and Joe is more than 2 years older, so I doubt they would have let him in as a junior with Joe. One person who did beat Calzaghe as an amateur was Otkay Urkal.
I maybe wrong but i believe Joe did fight Barney in the amatures and Barney won ! Or so Barney told me !

Terence wrote:

banjo wrote:

Herol wrote:Calzaghe can slag Froch off all he likes, but Froch has a much more attractive partner than Calzaghe.

What on earth does that have to do with anything?

Not sure, but it is the #1 contender for post of the year.