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Impractical Poster wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote:

p4p1 wrote:You know what's interesting is Conor is like the striking version of Palhares. When fighting both there is literally one thing you have to look out for. The difference of course is Palhares was good enough to win gold at ADCC by heel hooking the best grapplers in the world where as Conor couldn't do that against elite strikers or boxers in pure striking. But here's the big difference everyone who fought Palhares avoided going to the ground like it was the effing plague(because it was, let's be honest going to the ground with me likely meant surgery) but for whatever reason guys get in with Conor and decide that it's a good idea to give him openings to counter with his left.

After the fight Alvarez said that he didn't know why he fought like that and the game plan was never to fight like that. Which makes me ask if it's the moment that gets to them? Is it pressure? Is it anger? It surely can't be that many top level pro fighters seeing a guy with his hands down and can't control themselves. I know that I don't think Conor is as good as some here say and I do believe that he is overachieving but IMO his strongest asset is to not let the moment get to him.

I have issues with macgregor too, but to deny how good he is at this point is kinda silly. He finished perhaps the greatest fw of all time with a single pinch, and utterly destroyed one of the best lightweights of all time.
I thought the Diaz fight might have finished his hype, but I guess Nate has a style that matched up well to fight Connor.
I think if he can clip khabib he can finish him too

I agree with you that McGregor is awesome. But, Alvarez is not one of the best LWs of all time.

Diaz has a style actually suited for McGregor, for the most part. It's just that Diaz has a good chin and stamina. Khabib has a style matched up well to beat Conor. The question is does he get clipped before getting a hold of him.

I'd say Alvarez is up there, after Penn it's a bit cloudy, dos Anjos, Edgar, Pettis and Alvarez are all worth a shout

thunderfromdownunder wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote: I have issues with macgregor too, but to deny how good he is at this point is kinda silly. He finished perhaps the greatest fw of all time with a single pinch, and utterly destroyed one of the best lightweights of all time.
I thought the Diaz fight might have finished his hype, but I guess Nate has a style that matched up well to fight Connor.
I think if he can clip khabib he can finish him too

I agree with you that McGregor is awesome. But, Alvarez is not one of the best LWs of all time.

Diaz has a style actually suited for McGregor, for the most part. It's just that Diaz has a good chin and stamina. Khabib has a style matched up well to beat Conor. The question is does he get clipped before getting a hold of him.

I'd say Alvarez is up there, after Penn it's a bit cloudy, dos Anjos, Edgar, Pettis and Alvarez are all worth a shout

In terms of greatness though it's really not worth mentioning anyone after Penn. He was that much better than everyone else at his best. It's easy to forget that he wasn't a big lightweight a chubby overweight Penn fought Machida while weighing about 170 or just under, he was the same weight when he fought GSP both times he first time he managed to push him to a SD. Even when he fought at LW he wasn't a ripped 155. I would say at his best he would've made 145 without any problems if the class had existed back then. A lot of people underrate Penn due to his later career but at his best he was fornicating amazing. I also thought he clearly beat Edgar in their first fight as well.

p4p1 wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: I agree with you that McGregor is awesome. But, Alvarez is not one of the best LWs of all time.

Diaz has a style actually suited for McGregor, for the most part. It's just that Diaz has a good chin and stamina. Khabib has a style matched up well to beat Conor. The question is does he get clipped before getting a hold of him.

I'd say Alvarez is up there, after Penn it's a bit cloudy, dos Anjos, Edgar, Pettis and Alvarez are all worth a shout

In terms of greatness though it's really not worth mentioning anyone after Penn. He was that much better than everyone else at his best. It's easy to forget that he wasn't a big lightweight a chubby overweight Penn fought Machida while weighing about 170 or just under, he was the same weight when he fought GSP both times he first time he managed to push him to a SD. Even when he fought at LW he wasn't a ripped 155. I would say at his best he would've made 145 without any problems if the class had existed back then. A lot of people underrate Penn due to his later career but at his best he was effing amazing. I also thought he clearly beat Edgar in their first fight as well.

Absolutely agree re. Penn.
It's a pity he didn't fight at 155 more, or that 145 wasn't a thing in his heyday.
Just the other night I rewatched Penn v Sanchez, that brief moment when he finally returned to 155 and beat Stevenson and Sanchez, that guy was something else.
If I remember correctly Diego had only lost one fight before that, and had looked pretty good against florian, guida, parysian ect, man, Penn just wrecked him

On a side note, you know what would be super interesting,
Maia v khabib

thunderfromdownunder wrote:On a side note, you know what would be super interesting,
Maia v khabib

Very interesting especially with the size advantage. It's likely a terrible stand up match in MMA though.

p4p1 wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote:On a side note, you know what would be super interesting,
Maia v khabib

Very interesting especially with the size advantage. It's likely a terrible stand up match in MMA though.

Definitely wouldn't watch it for the stand up , maybe it would be better outside the UFC, in metamoris or something purely grappling

thunderfromdownunder wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote:On a side note, you know what would be super interesting,
Maia v khabib

Very interesting especially with the size advantage. It's likely a terrible stand up match in MMA though.

Definitely wouldn't watch it for the stand up , maybe it would be better outside the UFC, in metamoris or something purely grappling

Under something like combat sambo/BJJ though because I want to see Khabib drop bombs on the ground.

There's actually a combat sambo federation here in Jamaica. Going to see what info I can find on taking it up.

Small updates

Bisping vs Romero to happen in Spring. Dana wanted Jan but Bisping wants some time off to heal which is fair.

McGregor won't fight until May at the earliest, which is fair enough but if he isn't going to he needs to be stripped of the FW belt.

p4p1 wrote:Small updates

Bisping vs Romero to happen in Spring. Dana wanted Jan but Bisping wants some time off to heal which is fair.

McGregor won't fight until May at the earliest, which is fair enough but if he isn't going to he needs to be stripped of the FW belt.

McGregor better make it clear who he is fighting in May, and quickly. If he isn't going to defend at FW, they need to go ahead and take the belt away. This is BS.

Imagine had they given Anderson the opportunity to fight Griffin at LHW when he was champion. Not sure if Anderson ever asked for a title shot at 205, but he definitely fought there a couple times while he was MW champion. Wonder if they would have slid him directly into a title shot they way they have Conor.

Impractical Poster wrote:

p4p1 wrote:Small updates

Bisping vs Romero to happen in Spring. Dana wanted Jan but Bisping wants some time off to heal which is fair.

McGregor won't fight until May at the earliest, which is fair enough but if he isn't going to he needs to be stripped of the FW belt.

McGregor better make it clear who he is fighting in May, and quickly. If he isn't going to defend at FW, they need to go ahead and take the belt away. This is BS.

Imagine had they given Anderson the opportunity to fight Griffin at LHW when he was champion. Not sure if Anderson ever asked for a title shot at 205, but he definitely fought there a couple times while he was MW champion. Wonder if they would have slid him directly into a title shot they way they have Conor.

Anderson like other champs asked for a shot at LHW but was told that he would have to vacate at MW. If given the opportunity like Conor was Anderson would've beaten a few of the LHW champs when he was at his best.

IMO Anderson would've beaten, Lidell, Shogun and Griffin. He had a good chance of taking Rampage and Rashad as well.

It's easy to say McGregor is the first to win two world titles at the same time but no one else has been given an opportunity to other than GSP who understandably wanted no part in Anderson.

Edit: I forgot BJ Penn got the chance when he was LW champ but my point still stands.

I understand MacGregor brings a ton of money in for the UFC but has any other fighter had the treatment he's had before? I see Penn mentioned and I believe he was favoured in the past by Dana et al but nowhere near as much as Connor.

Tomasino wrote:I understand MacGregor brings a ton of money in for the UFC but has any other fighter had the treatment he's had before? I see Penn mentioned and I believe he was favoured in the past by Dana et al but nowhere near as much as Connor.

Penns situation was different to McGregors. For one he had been one of the best fighters in the world for years before he got a shot at GSP. He fought GSP to a split decision earlier in their careers and had submitted Matt Hughes who at the time was the best in the world to claim the WW title.

Unfortunately Penn seemed to think he could compete at WW in his later career despite having the frame of a FW and has picked up a heap of losses.

No other fighter has been given the opportunities McGregor has. Yes he brings in a shitload of money but it's unfair to let him do whatever he wants. Off the top of my head Aldo, Anderson and Jones were refused immidiate title shots at the weight above then despite being more proven and more deserving than McGregor was at the time he got his shot against Alvarez. The truth is McGregor got his shot so quickly because himself(proven by the fact he quickly toed the company line after they sent a contract to Khabib) and the UFC are aware that once Khabib wins the title he only has a slim punchers chance against Khabib. No other fighter gets a title shot after being tapped out and embarrassed by a gatekeeper then scraping by him with an MD.

I've seen McGregor fans now saying he would knock out Anderson if they fought. Even a scaled down Anderson is a terrible match up for McGregor let alone the MW version.

I caught MVP's latest fight. What utter garbage that was.

lefty wrote:I caught MVP's latest fight. What utter garbage that was.

I guess it'll be on spike next week? Another triumph for.british mma in the states? Lol

Counter-puncher wrote:

lefty wrote:I caught MVP's latest fight. What utter garbage that was.

I guess it'll be on spike next week? Another triumph for.british mma in the states? Lol

He stunk the absolute joint out and got booed to high heaven lol.

Faced with a legit opponent for the first time, MVP basically resorted to mugging and showboating for the whole fight without actually doing anything. I hope Gonzalez gets a rematch.

The scoring of the main event absolutely baffled me as well. How anyone scored that fight for Henderson is beyond me.

MJ talking about his fight with Khabib said something along the lines of him never felt pressure from someone like he did from Khabib despite training with Rashad and other top bigger guys.

Rockhold on submission radio said that even for him Khabib feels really strong. That's a MW that trains with Cormeir and Cain everyday. That's insane. Sure his striking is shaky but god damn with reviews of his grappling like that it really might not matter.

lefty wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

lefty wrote:I caught MVP's latest fight. What utter garbage that was.

I guess it'll be on spike next week? Another triumph for.british mma in the states? Lol

He stunk the absolute joint out and got booed to high heaven lol.

I did hear it was absolutely fornicating terrible.

p4p1 wrote:MJ talking about his fight with Khabib said something along the lines of him never felt pressure from someone like he did from Khabib despite training with Rashad and other top bigger guys.

Rockhold on submission radio said that even for him Khabib feels really strong. That's a MW that trains with Cormeir and Cain everyday. That's insane. Sure his striking is shaky but god damn with reviews of his grappling like that it really might not matter.

Too bad we can't get a review from the bear he wrestled when he was young.

Conor wants no part of this beast.

p4p1 wrote:

lefty wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:
I guess it'll be on spike next week? Another triumph for.british mma in the states? Lol

He stunk the absolute joint out and got booed to high heaven lol.

I did hear it was absolutely effing terrible.

Was reminiscent of Silva/Maia.

Impractical Poster wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

lefty wrote: He stunk the absolute joint out and got booed to high heaven lol.

I did hear it was absolutely effing terrible.

Was reminiscent of Silva/Maia.

That was fun for the first couple of rounds.... Then it got fornicating stupid. I remember waking my pop up to watch it after the first round because of the show he was putting on. I felt bad for doing it by then of the fight though

Impractical Poster wrote:

p4p1 wrote:MJ talking about his fight with Khabib said something along the lines of him never felt pressure from someone like he did from Khabib despite training with Rashad and other top bigger guys.

Rockhold on submission radio said that even for him Khabib feels really strong. That's a MW that trains with Cormeir and Cain everyday. That's insane. Sure his striking is shaky but god damn with reviews of his grappling like that it really might not matter.

Too bad we can't get a review from the bear he wrestled when he was young.

Conor wants no part of this beast.

I can't blame him. He's won the two world titles he told everyone he would win, no matter how I feel about his road to getting those 2 titles. He's never going to have to work again and him saying that he won't fight unless he gets part of the UFC says to me that unless he can get some serious passive income from the UFC hes done what he wanted.

Legacy wise he probably doesn't make the top 10 but from hearing him speak it's never been about that it's always been about making money and getting out early. While I'm not the biggest fan if he is able to do that and if he's able to force the UFC into a corner and giving him part of the business my hats off to him. Retiring at 28 with more money than anyone even needs would be pretty great.

p4p1 wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

p4p1 wrote:MJ talking about his fight with Khabib said something along the lines of him never felt pressure from someone like he did from Khabib despite training with Rashad and other top bigger guys.

Rockhold on submission radio said that even for him Khabib feels really strong. That's a MW that trains with Cormeir and Cain everyday. That's insane. Sure his striking is shaky but god damn with reviews of his grappling like that it really might not matter.

Too bad we can't get a review from the bear he wrestled when he was young.

Conor wants no part of this beast.

I can't blame him. He's won the two world titles he told everyone he would win, no matter how I feel about his road to getting those 2 titles. He's never going to have to work again and him saying that he won't fight unless he gets part of the UFC says to me that unless he can get some serious passive income from the UFC hes done what he wanted.

Legacy wise he probably doesn't make the top 10 but from hearing him speak it's never been about that it's always been about making money and getting out early. While I'm not the biggest fan if he is able to do that and if he's able to force the UFC into a corner and giving him part of the business my hats off to him. Retiring at 28 with more money than anyone even needs would be pretty great.

I agree to an extent. I don't like how the UFC is bending to his will, but I understand.... as does this man.

Let's introduce to those who may not know him, The Eagle aka...."The Conor Killer".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQR33N66yvw