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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 17:20

gregregegg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 17:11

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 04:51

Why should Usyk take less than a third of the money, he brings 3 belts and watching that even if he fought for free Tyson wouldn't accept

I’m not saying he should. I’m saying it’s about a 60-40 because usyk has the belts but Tyson is seen as the number 1 (not me I got em even). My point is if it’s about a 60-40 split, either guy can make the fight by going a bit in the others favour and still make fvckloads.

30% vs fury for undisputed is a lotttt more than 70%vs Joyce or hrg.

(Ps those numbers are no rematch numbers so if ya usyk and win you offer the rematch but 70-30ish your way. And make squillions)

Fury isn't asking for a percentage, he's asking for an amount in £'s.

Good point Uzyk was happy with his amount from the Arabs , Fury was'nt , If he's asking for an amount to fight in London thats out of the question , it just goes to show he's not the draw they say he is after all if it was affordable he would get it , but its a huge fight so it would still make hgim a lot of money especielly if he took the 60-40 offer and won ,, agree with previous poster if Usyk said he can have it all he still would'nt fight ,, i believe him money is'nt his god , his 0 is more important , its a duck

big lennox wrote: ↑08 Mar 2023, 19:10 Really good insight into the negotiations with Uysk's promoter:

Interesting that he thinks that if he has 5 minutes alone with Tyson they make the fight.

No amount of time or money makes this fight.

I guess it’s easier to remain lineal
Heavyweight champion if you duck all your challengers.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 13:58

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 12:25 Eddie Hearn put all your energy into shifting the 8,000 Joshua vs Franklin UNSOLD tickets.


April 1st FOOLS day is fast approaching

To be fair to Hearn he is just talking about AJ being vastly more courageous than the fighting man's peoples champ, which is clearly the case.

Ya man had the best ever meltdown after Usyk 2 in the ring (EVER) (Keep in mind he threw the belts away) and in the post fight press conference, cried like a little GIRL.

Anthony Joshua has 3 losses and could have 4 losses April 1st.

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 19:25

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 13:58

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 12:25 Eddie Hearn put all your energy into shifting the 8,000 Joshua vs Franklin UNSOLD tickets.


April 1st FOOLS day is fast approaching

To be fair to Hearn he is just talking about AJ being vastly more courageous than the fighting man's peoples champ, which is clearly the case.

Ya man had the best ever meltdown after Usyk 2 in the ring (EVER) (Keep in mind he threw the belts away) and in the post fight press conference, cried like a little GIRL.

Anthony Joshua has 3 losses and could have 4 losses April 1st.

After.

Looks like Eddie's reeled in a tiddler

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quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 19:25

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 13:58

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 12:25 Eddie Hearn put all your energy into shifting the 8,000 Joshua vs Franklin UNSOLD tickets.


April 1st FOOLS day is fast approaching

To be fair to Hearn he is just talking about AJ being vastly more courageous than the fighting man's peoples champ, which is clearly the case.

Ya man had the best ever meltdown after Usyk 2 in the ring (EVER) (Keep in mind he threw the belts away) and in the post fight press conference, cried like a little GIRL.

Anthony Joshua has 3 losses and could have 4 losses April 1st.

Not my man, not a fan really, just respect him for fighting the best.

Yup real fans don’t care about losses, we just want competitive fights and seeing the best fighting the best.

Fury fanboys obviously wouldn’t understand.

Suppose time will tell , AJ will go down in the books has getting beat by Ruiz a good boxer who he fought on 5 minuites notice , later rematched and beat convincingly , boxing Uzyk a future all time great Hall of famer , and taking on anyone , including offering Wilder a fight , by Wilders own admision more money than he got for Fury 3 , wanting to fight Fury only to have it scuppered by him fighting Wilder 3 , willing to fight Fury only to have it stuffed by a stupid impossible deadline and fury fight Chisora for the 3rd time , but never the less a good boxer for his time but not a great .

Then Fury

ducked the best on his way up at domestic level refused to rematch the guy who was robbed boxing him , drug cheat who fought an aging Klitchko whilst on the juice , and refused to rematch him , got lucky and got picked to fight one of the worst champs in years beat him and claimed to be the best , , Never fought anyone remotly good ducked everyone and anyone to handpick 3 with Wilder 3 with Chisors , gave stupid deadlines to get out of fights , demanded stupid silly money not to fight Usyk ,, Has absolutly NO INTENTION of fighting Uzyk , Ruiz , or Joyce , yet is revered by some , mainly because he's a gypsy and British .

Aj will be known has a good fighter but defo not the best heavyweight around , Tyson will be known has a DUCKER

Joshua been ducking Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder for years and years and years and years and years.


Matchroom should be called DuckRoom Promotions.


And no Joshua does NOT fight the best - facts.

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:11 Joshua been ducking Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder for years and years and years and years and years.


Matchroom should be called DuckRoom Promotions.


And no Joshua does NOT fight the best - facts.

Give over will you ,,, its a fact Wilder was offered more money to fight AJ than he was Fury , and chose Fury thats out of the horses mouth Wilder himself said it ,, Fury chose to fight Wilder a 3rd time rather than make the probably highest purse of all time , alls he had to do was pay Wilder some step aside money ,,, Fury stuck a spanner in the works by issuing a ridiculous time frame to fight AJ bet all the time was in negotiations with Chisora ,

Fury refuses to fight the best USYK with ridiculous demands for money , he needs a new dance partner yet will not offer the fight to Ruiz or Joyce ,,, if he fights any of them two instead of Usyk , he could be vindicated but he won't , he's no interest in anyone who hits hard enough , is tough enough and wants to win

coneye wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:32

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:11 Joshua been ducking Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder for years and years and years and years and years.


Matchroom should be called DuckRoom Promotions.


And no Joshua does NOT fight the best - facts.

Give over will you ,,, its a fact Wilder was offered more money to fight AJ than he was Fury , and chose Fury thats out of the horses mouth Wilder himself said it ,, Fury chose to fight Wilder a 3rd time rather than make the probably highest purse of all time , alls he had to do was pay Wilder some step aside money ,,, Fury stuck a spanner in the works by issuing a ridiculous time frame to fight AJ bet all the time was in negotiations with Chisora ,

Fury refuses to fight the best USYK with ridiculous demands for money , he needs a new dance partner yet will not offer the fight to Ruiz or Joyce ,,, if he fights any of them two instead of Usyk , he could be vindicated but he won't , he's no interest in anyone who hits hard enough , is tough enough and wants to win

Wrong.

There was no way he could have gave Wilder step aside money because the judge ordered that Wilder was deserving of a return bout it wasn't about money compensation at all.

Now you can criticize Tyson Fury for not making the Joshua fight from the perspective that Bob Arum and everybody already knew well in advance that there was no way the Joshua fight was going to be made because most likely the judge was going to rule in Wilder's favor anyways so it was nothing but a big tease about fighting Joshua.

I think you are getting a bit upset because most likely Fury will be fighting Ruiz and potentially Joshua in the summer because Ruiz will be Fury's mandatory and once the mandatory is out of the way he can take a voluntary fight or two because he's only obliged to fight the mandatory in a year's time.

So if he fights Andy Ruiz in April or May he can fight Joshua in the summer and potentially by winter time he could very well fight Usyk. Or after Ruiz he could fight Usyk in the summer.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:40

coneye wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:32

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:11 Joshua been ducking Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder for years and years and years and years and years.


Matchroom should be called DuckRoom Promotions.


And no Joshua does NOT fight the best - facts.

Give over will you ,,, its a fact Wilder was offered more money to fight AJ than he was Fury , and chose Fury thats out of the horses mouth Wilder himself said it ,, Fury chose to fight Wilder a 3rd time rather than make the probably highest purse of all time , alls he had to do was pay Wilder some step aside money ,,, Fury stuck a spanner in the works by issuing a ridiculous time frame to fight AJ bet all the time was in negotiations with Chisora ,

Fury refuses to fight the best USYK with ridiculous demands for money , he needs a new dance partner yet will not offer the fight to Ruiz or Joyce ,,, if he fights any of them two instead of Usyk , he could be vindicated but he won't , he's no interest in anyone who hits hard enough , is tough enough and wants to win

Wrong.

There was no way he could have gave Wilder step aside money because the judge ordered that Wilder was deserving of a return bout it wasn't about money compensation at all.

Now you can criticize Tyson Fury for not making the Joshua fight from the perspective that Bob Arum and everybody already knew well in advance that there was no way the Joshua fight was going to be made because most likely the judge was going to rule in Wilder's favor anyways so it was nothing but a big tease about fighting Joshua.

I think you are getting a bit upset because most likely Fury will be fighting Ruiz and potentially Joshua in the summer because Ruiz will be Fury's mandatory and once the mandatory is out of the way he can take a voluntary fight or two because he's only obliged to fight the mandatory in a year's time.

So if he fights Andy Ruiz in April or May he can fight Joshua in the summer and potentially by winter time he could very well fight Usyk. Or after Ruiz he could fight Usyk in the summer.

There is a way they could of paid wilder step aside money... just pay him money to not askfor/accept/demand the fight... If wilder told the WBC he didnt want the rematch do you think Fury could just never ever fight again? hahaha...

A judge doing arbitration cant make you fight, they can say your owed a fight.. then the WBC uphold that and order a rematch. just like what a mandatory is, you are owed a fight, Sanctioning body order it... But you can be paid money to step aside.

gregregegg wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 00:22

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:40

coneye wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:32

Give over will you ,,, its a fact Wilder was offered more money to fight AJ than he was Fury , and chose Fury thats out of the horses mouth Wilder himself said it ,, Fury chose to fight Wilder a 3rd time rather than make the probably highest purse of all time , alls he had to do was pay Wilder some step aside money ,,, Fury stuck a spanner in the works by issuing a ridiculous time frame to fight AJ bet all the time was in negotiations with Chisora ,

Fury refuses to fight the best USYK with ridiculous demands for money , he needs a new dance partner yet will not offer the fight to Ruiz or Joyce ,,, if he fights any of them two instead of Usyk , he could be vindicated but he won't , he's no interest in anyone who hits hard enough , is tough enough and wants to win

Wrong.

There was no way he could have gave Wilder step aside money because the judge ordered that Wilder was deserving of a return bout it wasn't about money compensation at all.

Now you can criticize Tyson Fury for not making the Joshua fight from the perspective that Bob Arum and everybody already knew well in advance that there was no way the Joshua fight was going to be made because most likely the judge was going to rule in Wilder's favor anyways so it was nothing but a big tease about fighting Joshua.

I think you are getting a bit upset because most likely Fury will be fighting Ruiz and potentially Joshua in the summer because Ruiz will be Fury's mandatory and once the mandatory is out of the way he can take a voluntary fight or two because he's only obliged to fight the mandatory in a year's time.

So if he fights Andy Ruiz in April or May he can fight Joshua in the summer and potentially by winter time he could very well fight Usyk. Or after Ruiz he could fight Usyk in the summer.

There is a way they could of paid wilder step aside money... just pay him money to not askfor/accept/demand the fight... If wilder told the WBC he didnt want the rematch do you think Fury could just never ever fight again? hahaha...

A judge doing arbitration cant make you fight, they can say your owed a fight.. then the WBC uphold that and order a rematch. just like what a mandatory is, you are owed a fight, Sanctioning body order it... But you can be paid money to step aside.

Fury even said as much. He would not pay Wilder step aside out of principle. He wanted to administer another beating following all the craziness Wilder and his fans had been talking following the second fight. Remember, glovegate?

Despite that, this kind of points to money always having been the driving the force behind Fury's comeback. It was never really about true legacy - outside of some petty one-upmanship involving Joshua. Sad really.

This thread is clearly being derailed by a troll. Lunatics still commenting that Joshua was ducking Wilder... Best to give them a wide birth. They aren't right in the head to still be pushing revisionist history this far down the line. They aren't doing it to have a discussion, let's put it that way. I mean, look at the state of that editted thread title...

There is a certain irony that Joshua (who Fury and his fans, seem obsessed by) will go down as a proper champion who took on all comers, whilst Fury will go down as a ducker. And someone who failed a PED test.

With the Uysk negotiations, its not just the fact that he wanted more than 100% of the pot, its also that he did absolutely nothing to try and sell the fight. He didn't think he could beat Uysk, so ran scared. That much is clear to anyone with a brain and a soul.

Incidentally, Felix Sturm, has gone to jail because he failed a PED test. In Germany failing a PED test is seen as being a significant crime. I don't know how I feel about that because sometimes, the drug test failures can be inadvertently failed. But, at the same time, that's a proper incentive for people not to take PEDS.It's a complicated area.

I was listening to a Boxing News podcast this week and they talked about how Fury is an example of a great PR job. It will be interesting to see if he will get the same level of support as he has enjoyed previously.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 17:20

gregregegg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 17:11

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 04:51

Why should Usyk take less than a third of the money, he brings 3 belts and watching that even if he fought for free Tyson wouldn't accept

I’m not saying he should. I’m saying it’s about a 60-40 because usyk has the belts but Tyson is seen as the number 1 (not me I got em even). My point is if it’s about a 60-40 split, either guy can make the fight by going a bit in the others favour and still make fvckloads.

30% vs fury for undisputed is a lotttt more than 70%vs Joyce or hrg.

(Ps those numbers are no rematch numbers so if ya usyk and win you offer the rematch but 70-30ish your way. And make squillions)

Fury isn't asking for a percentage, he's asking for an amount in £'s.

I’d imagine he got offered a load by the Saudis and tried to push for more so it didn’t happen there and now he’s wanting the original amount offered by the Saudis to fight in the U.K.

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 22:11 Joshua been ducking Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder for years and years and years and years and years.


Matchroom should be called DuckRoom Promotions.


And no Joshua does NOT fight the best - facts.

Trying to work out if your 8 year old, American or just a bit of a retard because not a single thing you've posted here is factually correct

big lennox wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 03:14 There is a certain irony that Joshua (who Fury and his fans, seem obsessed by) will go down as a proper champion who took on all comers, whilst Fury will go down as a ducker. And someone who failed a PED test.

With the Uysk negotiations, its not just the fact that he wanted more than 100% of the pot, its also that he did absolutely nothing to try and sell the fight. He didn't think he could beat Uysk, so ran scared. That much is clear to anyone with a brain and a soul.

Incidentally, Felix Sturm, has gone to jail because he failed a PED test. In Germany failing a PED test is seen as being a significant crime. I don't know how I feel about that because sometimes, the drug test failures can be inadvertently failed. But, at the same time, that's a proper incentive for people not to take PEDS.It's a complicated area.

I was listening to a Boxing News podcast this week and they talked about how Fury is an example of a great PR job. It will be interesting to see if he will get the same level of support as he has enjoyed previously.

Mate, he will go down as someone who didn’t box his two main rivals. Fact. Unless something changes. We will have to reassess at the end of all their careers. And from what I recall, AJ was dragged kicking and screaming into the Usyk rematch.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 03:45

big lennox wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 03:14 There is a certain irony that Joshua (who Fury and his fans, seem obsessed by) will go down as a proper champion who took on all comers, whilst Fury will go down as a ducker. And someone who failed a PED test.

With the Uysk negotiations, its not just the fact that he wanted more than 100% of the pot, its also that he did absolutely nothing to try and sell the fight. He didn't think he could beat Uysk, so ran scared. That much is clear to anyone with a brain and a soul.

Incidentally, Felix Sturm, has gone to jail because he failed a PED test. In Germany failing a PED test is seen as being a significant crime. I don't know how I feel about that because sometimes, the drug test failures can be inadvertently failed. But, at the same time, that's a proper incentive for people not to take PEDS.It's a complicated area.

I was listening to a Boxing News podcast this week and they talked about how Fury is an example of a great PR job. It will be interesting to see if he will get the same level of support as he has enjoyed previously.

Mate, he will go down as someone who didn’t box his two main rivals. Fact. Unless something changes. We will have to reassess at the end of all their careers. And from what I recall, AJ was dragged kicking and screaming into the Usyk rematch.

Mickey your a knowledgeable poster but you don't half talk some shite when it comes to defending your boy Fury, you really think if Joshua didn't want to rematch Usyk he would've?

If your looking for a definition of dragged kicking and screaming then look no further than the Gypsy King right now, even his own promoters are baffled

Facts are Joshua signed to fight Fury, facts are Joshua offered Wilder $150 mil to fight him, facts are Joshua fought Usyk twice


No emails of offers from personal accounts saying sign now or no deal, no public deadlines when the teams are in talks then fighting someone you've comfortably battered twice, I get that a lot of people dont like AJ, he's a bit of a cheesemerchant and it's easy to pick holes in his ability but that doesn't have to mean you just ignore the walking contradiction that is Tyson Fury, btw Joshua has beat 50% of Fury's best 2 wins

Mental that this isn’t a cut and dry 50/50 split; shouldn’t matter about the perception of who brings in more revenue. They’ll both get millions and there’s 4 fornicating belts to win.

I get the feeling that Tyson is happy to fight spuds in stadiums for 15/20m instead of risking his WBC strap v Usyk.

Would not be surprised to see Fury v Charr in April.

handsofstone wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 04:01

mickey1975 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 03:45

big lennox wrote: ↑10 Mar 2023, 03:14 There is a certain irony that Joshua (who Fury and his fans, seem obsessed by) will go down as a proper champion who took on all comers, whilst Fury will go down as a ducker. And someone who failed a PED test.

With the Uysk negotiations, its not just the fact that he wanted more than 100% of the pot, its also that he did absolutely nothing to try and sell the fight. He didn't think he could beat Uysk, so ran scared. That much is clear to anyone with a brain and a soul.

Incidentally, Felix Sturm, has gone to jail because he failed a PED test. In Germany failing a PED test is seen as being a significant crime. I don't know how I feel about that because sometimes, the drug test failures can be inadvertently failed. But, at the same time, that's a proper incentive for people not to take PEDS.It's a complicated area.

I was listening to a Boxing News podcast this week and they talked about how Fury is an example of a great PR job. It will be interesting to see if he will get the same level of support as he has enjoyed previously.

Mate, he will go down as someone who didn’t box his two main rivals. Fact. Unless something changes. We will have to reassess at the end of all their careers. And from what I recall, AJ was dragged kicking and screaming into the Usyk rematch.

Mickey your a knowledgeable poster but you don't half talk some shite when it comes to defending your boy Fury, you really think if Joshua didn't want to rematch Usyk he would've?

If your looking for a definition of dragged kicking and screaming then look no further than the Gypsy King right now, even his own promoters are baffled

Facts are Joshua signed to fight Fury, facts are Joshua offered Wilder $150 mil to fight him, facts are Joshua fought Usyk twice


No emails of offers from personal accounts saying sign now or no deal, no public deadlines when the teams are in talks then fighting someone you've comfortably battered twice, I get that a lot of people dont like AJ, he's a bit of a cheesemerchant and it's easy to pick holes in his ability but that doesn't have to mean you just ignore the walking contradiction that is Tyson Fury, btw Joshua has beat 50% of Fury's best 2 wins

Joshua demanded the rematch when many were advising him to rebuild first. There are those that will back Fury no matter what but that pool is getting smaller by the day as people are waking up to his constant BS.

This is turning into the easiest victory of Usyk's career, and a far more devastating impact to Fury's legacy than possibly any defeat in the ring could bring.
No wonder his fan boys are lashing out in all directions, finding out he's really not really the fightingest fighty man that he brainwashed them all into believing he was.

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 19:25

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 13:58

quickeyg wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 12:25 Eddie Hearn put all your energy into shifting the 8,000 Joshua vs Franklin UNSOLD tickets.


April 1st FOOLS day is fast approaching

To be fair to Hearn he is just talking about AJ being vastly more courageous than the fighting man's peoples champ, which is clearly the case.

Ya man had the best ever meltdown after Usyk 2 in the ring (EVER) (Keep in mind he threw the belts away) and in the post fight press conference, cried like a little GIRL.

Anthony Joshua has 3 losses and could have 4 losses April 1st.

At least he boxed Usyk.