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Calzaghe over Mike?......that's some great imagineering! I wonder if Calzaghe could stay that active with his body anesthesized? Still I do imagine it would be an interesting scrap.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Mormeck vs a clean Bert Cooper, say from the tillman fight.

Smokin' (Crack) Bert could've won versus Mormeck. I can see him putting Mormeck down for the count with that right hand.

But he wouldn't. Nine times out of ten the bull-necked Frenchman survives his occasional bombs & thumps & thuds his way to a clear decision.

Jose Luis Lopez (not stoned or thinking of surfing) versus Felix Trinidad, twelve rounds.

imo, Trinidad by Close UD.

Kevin Kelley v Ingle FW

lopez is doing well and its tight until the 7th round when tito finds a second gear and lopez is on the floor. he rises, tries a wild right hand, misses, and trinidad then shows him a quick way to the beach and he is soon dreaming about surfing and he's pretty relaxed as unbeknown to him the referee counts to 10

trinidad KO 7

another latin larupping contest with yet another lopez. this super bantam clubfest might happen some day soon - lets hope so

juan manuel lopez v celestine caballero

kelley edges out ingle in a good fight. ingle down in the 10th but gets up to win the last 2 rounds. still loses.

kelley UD 12

lopez v caballero

Um, everyone has gotten messed up

Can we go back to my orginal post about Johnston vs Khan

And Lopez owns Cabalerro, who is too easy to hit for a big puncher like Lopez for 9th round KO

Costa Rico wrote:Um, everyone has gotten messed up

Can we go back to my orginal post about Johnston vs Khan

And Lopez owns Cabalerro, who is too easy to hit for a big puncher like Lopez for 9th round KO

Oop, sorry, that was me.

Right: Khan keeps it at long range (God knows about the reach difference but I think there'd be about a six-inch height difference, I believe). Lil' But Bad stuns Khan a few times with that southpaw left but can't finish him; Khan flurries & jabs & gets a close decision. Johnston unused to the role of the aggressor left smarting rather like the aftermath of the first Bazan fight.

Alejandro "Cobrita" Gonzalez versus Carlos "Bollilo" Gonzalez, catchweight betwixt lightweight & junior welter, 12 rounds.

BoxBuzz wrote:Calzaghe over Mike?......that's some great imagineering! I wonder if Calzaghe could stay that active with his body anesthesized? Still I do imagine it would be an interesting scrap.

Mike was better p4p, not in his late 30's at Super Middle.

The two fight on relatively even terms for 3 rounds, each man changing roles- first round Carlos Gonzalez looks voulnerable fighting off the back foot, next thing, he's pressing and has Alejandro in danger

Styles mesh for an exciting fight with both men digging deep and thrilling the crowd, en route to a 114-113, 113-114, 114-114 Draw

In a taste of Africa, two African and one English-American fights are made

Ozzie Duran (2009) vs Azumah Nelson (2008) at Welterweight- Meaning Duran is possibly weight drained

Douglas Otieno vs Samson Onyango

Both are Nathan Cleverly KO victims

Danny Williams (Prime) vs Hasim Rachman (Now)

Duran beats in Nelson in thrilling "who cares" fashion by UD.

Onyango scores a flash knockdown of Otieno in the 3rd, but he himself is dropped in the 5th, 8th, and 11th rounds. Good action fight with Otieno scoring the SD.

Danny Williams beats the current version of Rahman from pillar to post, and The Rock stays on his stool after the 8th round.

A battle of the bods...

Frank Bruno (1987) vs Ken Norton (1978) 15 Rounds

norton has too much movement for frank who still has his good moments by rocking ken with huge right hands on a couple of occasions. but he is getting hit too often by round 8 and the fight is stopped. bruno brave but beaten.

norton TKO 8

featherweight duel;

ruben olivares v marco antonio barrera

super bantam undercard
juan manuel lopez v duke mcKenzie

At 126, I think the best Olivares was the one who stopped Chacon in two rounds, Barrera played better defense but I still think that Olivares was the better fighter all-around and would take a UD.

I think that Lopez would get to Duke, but it would take a few rounds at least due to the awkwardness of McKenzie.

John Conteh vs Floyd Patterson
LHW
15 rounds

Brian Mitchell vs Jorge Linares
super featherweight
12 rounds

this is a corker. conteh at his best takes floyd all the way but is a close loser on all judges cards. in the tenth he rocks patterson with venomous combinations and for a moment floyd looks fragile. the bell does the american a big favour and he shows great recuperative powers to take the next. from then on its a classic scrap to the line with floyds smarter ring generalship giving him the edge.

patterson UD 15

mitchell in peak nick holds out against the golden boy linares for 8 rounds. the dangerous jorge finds the punch to bring matters to a halt, though, in round 9.

linares KO 9


sticking with linares, here he is matched with a 1997 version of ARTURO GATTI

2 SUPER FEATHER BRAWLS

JORGE LINARES V ARTURO GATTI

UNDERCARD

SANDY SADDLER V ALEXIS ARGUELLO

(I DONT THINK THE PROMOTER IS TOO WORRIED ABOUT TICKET SALES!)

Linares' current management would have never taken this fight because they are too cautious and generally only feed him bums, but I would pick him in a decision or late KO over the 1997 Gatti. Extremely tough fight with mega-leather being thrown and Linares finally winning, possibly late by closing one of Gatti's eyes or on cuts
Saddler v Arguello. Am a huge Arguello fan, but I see Saddler winning a 9-5-1 decision or on a late stoppage around round 13

Next up:
Dick Tiger, circa 1965 v Marvin Hagler, circa 1984, 15 rounds

giacomino wrote:Linares' current management would have never taken this fight because they are too cautious and generally only feed him bums, but I would pick him in a decision or late KO over the 1997 Gatti. Extremely tough fight with mega-leather being thrown and Linares finally winning, possibly late by closing one of Gatti's eyes or on cuts
Saddler v Arguello. Am a huge Arguello fan, but I see Saddler winning a 9-5-1 decision or on a late stoppage around round 13

Next up:
Dick Tiger, circa 1965 v Marvin Hagler, circa 1984, 15 rounds

Hagler uses his versatility for a 9-6ish decision in a hard fight.

Antonio Esparragoza vs Barry McGuigan 12rds

Esparzy vs. McGuigan's a tough one. While I'd perhaps rank the former over the latter based on a superior resume, I'd like to think that McGuigan at his best would win this one 8-7 or 9-6.

now posit a hypo, ox baker, maybe fernando vargas against another pugilistic GREAT? (sorry, but its gonna be tuff for me to forget that quote )

It's tip of the iceberg material, Harry, where Decagon (Ox Baker) is concerned. You'll see what I mean.

Anyway, too late. Twelve rounds of Arguello (1981-82) vs. Hatton (2004-05) at 140lbs...

Arguello wears Hatton down, knocks him down in the 10th with a left hook and takes him out with a straight right in the 11th.

Next up:
Joe Louis 1936 v Mike Tyson 1988

Tyson with speed and head movement was a fierce animal, and Louis would have to drag himself off the deck in this one, but he catches Tyson between one of those monster left hooks in the late stages of this battle, and pounds out the TKO12.

Sticking with 1936 Louis, how would he fare against a much larger opponent?

Joe Louis (1936) vs Lennox Lewis (2001)

Louis KO9 while well down on the cards.

Main Event
Lennox Lewis vs Ingemar Johansson 15 rds HW

Undercard
Celestino Caballero vs Eric Morales 12 rds SBW
Azumah Nelson vs Esteban De Jesus 15 rds LW

hey! i didnt know ox baker was decagon, but it figures. thanks GI.

lewis is too good for ingo. cumulative effects of his jab busts the swede up facially and spiritually. by the 8th the writing is on the wall and the 9th sees the stoppage.

LEWIS tko 9

morales dominates the dangerous but inconsistant caballero after 3 square rounds. catches erik in the 4th with a peach of a right hand but morales stays up, shakes it off well and ends the round on top. the 5th is all morales and he drops the lanky celestine for the full 10 with 30 secs to go.

MORALES ko 5

nelson finds dejesus a handful and it brings the best out in him. its close and anyones fight after 12 rounds. nelson somehow finds another burst of brawn and bullishness and decks his man for 8. estaban rises to find that nelson is a talented finisher and he is back down for the full count after a venomous two fisted attack by the west african mauler.

NELSON ko 12

SUPERBANTAM TWIN CLASH

JEFF FENECH v ERIK MORALES

JUAN MANUEL LOPEZ v WAYNE MCCULLOUGH

Morales by razor thin decision in an epic war.

Ugh, hideous beating for Wayne, he lasts the distance if the ref allows it.


Rocky Lockridge vs Danny Lopez- 15rds

Antonio Tarver vs Marvin Johnson- 10rds

Greg haugen vs Arturo Gatti- 10rds

Sorry if I am repeating.

Lopez knocks him out in the 4th after being dropped in the first.
Tarver outmanuvers Johnshon for a decision win.
Gatti by upset KO.

Lupe Pintor vs Rafael Marquez
15 rounds
bantamweight

Carlos Ortiz vs Alexis Arguello
15 rounds
lightweight

mhagler91490 wrote: Lupe Pintor vs Rafael Marquez
15 rounds
bantamweight

Carlos Ortiz vs Alexis Arguello
15 rounds
lightweight

Marquez-Pintor is a tough one to call. Marquez hit harder and was more well rounded IMO, but Pintor brings a tight, steady, and tireless attack. I could see Marquez keeping him at bay and either winning a decision or late stoppage; but I could also see Pintor possibly withstanding his big bombs early, then coming on strong late to force a stoppage of his own.

I'll take Arguello over Ortiz by decision, with Arguello's advantages in height, reach, and possibly power being the decisive differences in this battle of well-rounded technicians.


Next up:
Nino Benvenuti vs. Julian Jackson, @ 154 or 160 (if you think it makes a difference).