Wlad just defeated the WBA champ easily, and is still at #2 and hell, Chagaev is still #3
Who cares that the WBA title didnt switch hands...the Chagaev victory is more than Vitali's win over Gomez ffs
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HomicideHenry
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Why is Vitali still #1
on BoxRec?
Wlad just defeated the WBA champ easily, and is still at #2 and hell, Chagaev is still #3
Who cares that the WBA title didnt switch hands...the Chagaev victory is more than Vitali's win over Gomez ffs
Wlad just defeated the WBA champ easily, and is still at #2 and hell, Chagaev is still #3
Who cares that the WBA title didnt switch hands...the Chagaev victory is more than Vitali's win over Gomez ffs
Re: Why is Vitali still #1
It usually doesn't update until the next morning......
Re: Why is Vitali still #1
Yeah, no kidding.armageto wrote:It usually doesn't update until the next morning......
He just wanted something to complain about.Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
So, how does somebody like Ruiz remain ranked 7 with 3 losses in his last five fights.
and Haye jump up to third with one marginal heavyweight win.
Sure doesn't make the rating system seem legit when the ratings in the
marque division are hokey.
and Haye jump up to third with one marginal heavyweight win.
Sure doesn't make the rating system seem legit when the ratings in the
marque division are hokey.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Rating points aren't division-specific, Ruiz fought almost even with high-ranked opponents in those 3 losses.snake33 wrote:So, how does somebody like Ruiz remain ranked 7 with 3 losses in his last five fights.
and Haye jump up to third with one marginal heavyweight win.
Sure doesn't make the rating system seem legit when the ratings in the
marque division are hokey.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
It's still three losses. Maybe he stays in the top twenty but seven with three loses?JCS wrote:Rating points aren't division-specific, Ruiz fought almost even with high-ranked opponents in those 3 losses.snake33 wrote:So, how does somebody like Ruiz remain ranked 7 with 3 losses in his last five fights.
and Haye jump up to third with one marginal heavyweight win.
Sure doesn't make the rating system seem legit when the ratings in the
marque division are hokey.
Not bloody likely.
And Haye, he hasn't done anything but run his mouth. There are other divisions that
are messed up, I'm just making an example at heavyweight.
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jujigatame
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Sadly, it makes total sense that Ruiz is still #7 at HW. All 3 of his losses have been razor-thin decisions to guys in the top 5 of the division.
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
And Haye was unified cruiser champ. That surely gave him enough points to be a top 5 HW.
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
MontyCircus,
All time ratings - down-converting ratings
So my question is...as far as "all-time" or "annual rank points" are concerned, would his annual points while fighting at a higher weightclass be "down-converted" to his weightclass? (e.g. Pacquiao's 1564 while fighting at welterweight, would for all-time purposes be recorded as 2000).
There is no bonus for moving up the weight divisions.
The respective annual rank points are not down-converted to the all time weight division finally assigned to the respective boxer. The all time ratings are the sum of the annual all time points in their respective annual weight division.
So the all time ratings measure the sum of the respective annual weight division specific performances.
There is no bonus for moving up the weight divisions.
Ratings are equalized between divisions by mean rating points of #8 to #12
Why and how is that done? When I read it, it sounded like to me...if say...you've got a bad heavyweight division, there's no one dominant, the best aren't fighting each other and the points are low across the board...that the computer somehow compensates for that? Artificially raising everyone's point totals to match the "good" divisions?
This does not change the actual intra-division rating relations. But:
- The higher the resulting division top ratings - now normalized to the division specific mean rating standard of the #8 to #12 - the higher the division specific excellence of these boxers. The p4p ratings are based on this.
- The annual ratings level in a specific division changed a lot over the decades. To make the annual ratings comparable, especially for the all time ratings, this normalization helps.
All time ratings - down-converting ratings
So my question is...as far as "all-time" or "annual rank points" are concerned, would his annual points while fighting at a higher weightclass be "down-converted" to his weightclass? (e.g. Pacquiao's 1564 while fighting at welterweight, would for all-time purposes be recorded as 2000).
There is no bonus for moving up the weight divisions.
The respective annual rank points are not down-converted to the all time weight division finally assigned to the respective boxer. The all time ratings are the sum of the annual all time points in their respective annual weight division.
So the all time ratings measure the sum of the respective annual weight division specific performances.
There is no bonus for moving up the weight divisions.
Ratings are equalized between divisions by mean rating points of #8 to #12
Why and how is that done? When I read it, it sounded like to me...if say...you've got a bad heavyweight division, there's no one dominant, the best aren't fighting each other and the points are low across the board...that the computer somehow compensates for that? Artificially raising everyone's point totals to match the "good" divisions?
This does not change the actual intra-division rating relations. But:
- The higher the resulting division top ratings - now normalized to the division specific mean rating standard of the #8 to #12 - the higher the division specific excellence of these boxers. The p4p ratings are based on this.
- The annual ratings level in a specific division changed a lot over the decades. To make the annual ratings comparable, especially for the all time ratings, this normalization helps.
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Some remarks:
- There is an additional feature in place to identify the correct annual ratings divison for every boxer. The boxer will be assigned to the division with the boxer's best annual bout performance. And the year's end rating points are transformed to this annual best performance division.
- What to do with boxers like Sugar Ray Robinson. He is currently assigned to Middleweight regarding the all time ratings. But he as well might be assigned to Welterweight. Should this rise his all time ratings account?
Look at Holyfield (Heavyweight, Cruiserweight) ...
- There is an additional feature in place to identify the correct annual ratings divison for every boxer. The boxer will be assigned to the division with the boxer's best annual bout performance. And the year's end rating points are transformed to this annual best performance division.
- What to do with boxers like Sugar Ray Robinson. He is currently assigned to Middleweight regarding the all time ratings. But he as well might be assigned to Welterweight. Should this rise his all time ratings account?
Look at Holyfield (Heavyweight, Cruiserweight) ...
Charlie Simpson's Rating
Please explain how bantamweight old-timer Charlie Simpson earned 183 points (with a 1911-1917 career record of 16(6)-9(3)-1) for a #47 All-Time rating over all the other bantams who ever fought?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
He should be at Feather..
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computerrank
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Re: Charlie Simpson's Rating
I had a look and ...Ric wrote:Please explain how bantamweight old-timer Charlie Simpson earned 183 points (with a 1911-1917 career record of 16(6)-9(3)-1) for a #47 All-Time rating over all the other bantams who ever fought?
His featherweight title bout on 1915-07-31 against Bert Spargo was erroneously assigned to flyweight by some editor - and so the program handled it as a flyweight bout ...
Additionally flyweight was not very competitive in this year and so Simpson got a lot of points for this "flyweight" win.
I corrected the error and now Simpson should be at about 50 points - and in featherweight.
Re: Charlie Simpson's Rating
Thank you for the the explanation. BTW: I just now quickly browsed thru BoxRec's All-Time Featherweight rankings, and see that old-timer Charlie Simpson is lost in the mist of history--no longer a Top-50 All-Time Bantamweight in BoxRec's Rankings (which, every visitor here should be reminded, is presented for "entertainment purposes only").computerrank wrote:I had a look and ...Ric wrote:Please explain how bantamweight old-timer Charlie Simpson earned 183 points (with a 1911-1917 career record of 16(6)-9(3)-1) for a #47 All-Time rating over all the other bantams who ever fought?
His featherweight title bout on 1915-07-31 against Bert Spargo was erroneously assigned to flyweight by some editor - and so the program handled it as a flyweight bout ...
Additionally flyweight was not very competitive in this year and so Simpson got a lot of points for this "flyweight" win.
I corrected the error and now Simpson should be at about 50 points - and in featherweight.
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
@MontyCircus
... I will see to find some spare time ... it will take a while ...
... I will see to find some spare time ... it will take a while ...
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
This would be the all time ratings with all annual ratings converted to the all time division assigned by the editors:
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rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Heavyweight |Muhammad |Ali | 2115
2|Heavyweight |Joe |Louis | 1565
3|Heavyweight |Jack |Johnson | 1363
4|Heavyweight |Floyd |Patterson | 1276
5|Heavyweight |Harry |Wills | 1168
6|Heavyweight |Larry |Holmes | 1027
7|Heavyweight |Joe |Frazier | 838
8|Heavyweight |Rocky |Marciano | 816
9|Heavyweight |Sonny |Liston | 781
10|Heavyweight |Lennox |Lewis | 749
11|Heavyweight |Sam |Langford | 745
12|Heavyweight |Ezzard |Charles | 710
13|Heavyweight |Mike |Tyson | 695
14|Heavyweight |Max |Schmeling | 666
15|Heavyweight |Jimmy |Bivins | 638
16|Heavyweight |George |Foreman | 608
17|Heavyweight |Jack |Sharkey | 604
18|Heavyweight |James J |Jeffries | 581
19|Heavyweight |Sam |McVea | 527
20|Heavyweight |Ingemar |Johansson | 477
21|Heavyweight |Joe |Jeannette | 438
22|Heavyweight |Ken |Norton | 427
23|Heavyweight |Jack |Dempsey | 405
24|Heavyweight |Max |Baer | 381
25|Heavyweight |Marvin |Hart | 361
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Cruiserweight |Carlos |De Leon | 622
2|Cruiserweight |Orlin |Norris | 438
3|Cruiserweight |Johnny |Nelson | 382
4|Cruiserweight |Anaclet |Wamba | 288
5|Cruiserweight |Jean Marc |Mormeck | 238
6|Cruiserweight |O'Neil |Bell | 232
7|Cruiserweight |Ossie |Ocasio | 222
8|Cruiserweight |Vassiliy |Jirov | 218
9|Cruiserweight |Marcelo Fabian |Dominguez | 186
10|Cruiserweight |Carl |Thompson | 165
11|Cruiserweight |Adolpho |Washington | 164
12|Cruiserweight |Nate |Miller | 161
13|Cruiserweight |Piet |Crous | 129
14|Cruiserweight |John |Odhiambho | 125
15|Cruiserweight |Alexander |Gurov | 125
16|Cruiserweight |Jeff |Lampkin | 103
17|Cruiserweight |Norbert |Ekassi | 101
18|Cruiserweight |Angelo |Rottoli | 99
19|Cruiserweight |ST |Gordon | 88
20|Cruiserweight |Sebastiaan |Rothmann | 85
21|Cruiserweight |Lou |Del Valle | 85
22|Cruiserweight |Glenn |McCrory | 79
23|Cruiserweight |Ralf |Rocchigiani | 77
24|Cruiserweight |Akim |Tafer | 77
25|Cruiserweight |Vincenzo |Cantatore | 76
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Light Heavyweight |Archie |Moore | 2443
2|Light Heavyweight |Philadelphia Jack |O'Brien | 2191
3|Light Heavyweight |Tommy |Gibbons | 1835
4|Light Heavyweight |Gene |Tunney | 1500
5|Light Heavyweight |Melio |Bettina | 1178
6|Light Heavyweight |Tommy |Loughran | 1145
7|Light Heavyweight |Jack |Root | 1134
8|Light Heavyweight |Bob |Foster | 1111
9|Light Heavyweight |Bob |Fitzsimmons | 1073
10|Light Heavyweight |Michael |Spinks | 1044
11|Light Heavyweight |Harold |Johnson | 1034
12|Light Heavyweight |Billy |Conn | 907
13|Light Heavyweight |Billy |Miske | 905
14|Light Heavyweight |Battling |Levinsky | 899
15|Light Heavyweight |Virgil |Hill | 883
16|Light Heavyweight |Joey |Maxim | 869
17|Light Heavyweight |Tami |Mauriello | 831
18|Light Heavyweight |Charles Kid |McCoy | 728
19|Light Heavyweight |Maxie |Rosenbloom | 726
20|Light Heavyweight |Dariusz |Michalczewski | 706
21|Light Heavyweight |John Henry |Lewis | 694
22|Light Heavyweight |Jose |Torres | 641
23|Light Heavyweight |Dwight Muhammad |Qawi | 633
24|Light Heavyweight |Georges |Carpentier | 622
25|Light Heavyweight |Young |Stribling | 579
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Super Middleweight |Joe |Calzaghe | 792
2|Super Middleweight |Steve |Collins | 399
3|Super Middleweight |Chris |Eubank | 364
4|Super Middleweight |Nigel |Benn | 354
5|Super Middleweight |Sven |Ottke | 278
6|Super Middleweight |Frankie |Liles | 206
7|Super Middleweight |Thulani |Malinga | 202
8|Super Middleweight |Robin |Reid | 162
9|Super Middleweight |Christophe |Tiozzo | 128
10|Super Middleweight |Markus |Beyer | 117
11|Super Middleweight |In-Chul |Baek | 114
12|Super Middleweight |Henry |Wharton | 112
13|Super Middleweight |Fulgencio |Obelmejias | 106
14|Super Middleweight |Victor |Cordoba | 101
15|Super Middleweight |Eric |Lucas | 94
16|Super Middleweight |Thomas |Tate | 92
17|Super Middleweight |Darrin |Van Horn | 89
18|Super Middleweight |Sam |Soliman | 88
19|Super Middleweight |Charles |Brewer | 81
20|Super Middleweight |Richie |Woodhall | 78
21|Super Middleweight |Dana |Rosenblatt | 76
22|Super Middleweight |Guy |Waters | 75
23|Super Middleweight |James |Cook | 71
24|Super Middleweight |Mario |Veit | 68
25|Super Middleweight |Frederic |Seillier | 63
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Middleweight |Marvin |Hagler | 1589
2|Middleweight |Sugar Ray |Robinson | 1509
3|Middleweight |Harry |Greb | 1464
4|Middleweight |Carlos |Monzon | 1446
5|Middleweight |Tommy |Ryan | 965
6|Middleweight |Dick |Tiger | 863
7|Middleweight |Michael |Nunn | 678
8|Middleweight |Mike |McCallum | 677
9|Middleweight |Mike |Gibbons | 629
10|Middleweight |Stanley |Ketchel | 484
11|Middleweight |Mike |O'Dowd | 472
12|Middleweight |Rodrigo |Valdez | 472
13|Middleweight |Gene |Fullmer | 471
14|Middleweight |Joey |Giardello | 447
15|Middleweight |George |Gardner | 446
16|Middleweight |Sumbu |Kalambay | 384
17|Middleweight |Bobo |Olson | 378
18|Middleweight |Charley |Burley | 365
19|Middleweight |Fred |Apostoli | 362
20|Middleweight |Nino |Benvenuti | 361
21|Middleweight |Jack (Twin) |Sullivan | 347
22|Middleweight |Leo |Houck | 313
23|Middleweight |Jimmy |Clabby | 303
24|Middleweight |Ceferino |Garcia | 303
25|Middleweight |Jack |Dillon | 299
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Light Middleweight |Sandro |Mazzinghi | 1095
2|Light Middleweight |Terry |Norris | 790
3|Light Middleweight |Freddie |Little | 609
4|Light Middleweight |Wilfred |Benitez | 583
5|Light Middleweight |Maurice |Hope | 572
6|Light Middleweight |Ki Soo |Kim | 449
7|Light Middleweight |Ayub |Kalule | 352
8|Light Middleweight |Bruno |Visintin | 344
9|Light Middleweight |Denny |Moyer | 313
10|Light Middleweight |Rocky |Mattioli | 275
11|Light Middleweight |Laurent |Boudouani | 266
12|Light Middleweight |Javier |Castillejo | 247
13|Light Middleweight |Louis |Acaries | 182
14|Light Middleweight |Carlos |Santos | 181
15|Light Middleweight |Fernando |Vargas | 179
16|Light Middleweight |Daniel |Santos | 173
17|Light Middleweight |John |Mugabi | 164
18|Light Middleweight |Loucif |Hamani | 159
19|Light Middleweight |Buster |Drayton | 143
20|Light Middleweight |Harry |Simon | 141
21|Light Middleweight |Carmelo |Bossi | 139
22|Light Middleweight |Domenico |Tiberia | 136
23|Light Middleweight |Eckhard |Dagge | 131
24|Light Middleweight |Matthew |Hilton | 126
25|Light Middleweight |Bo |Hogberg | 125
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Welterweight |Thomas |Hearns | 1696
2|Welterweight |Jose |Napoles | 1547
3|Welterweight |Oscar |De La Hoya | 1421
4|Welterweight |Emile |Griffith | 1364
5|Welterweight |Sugar Ray |Leonard | 1295
6|Welterweight |Luis Manuel |Rodriguez | 1045
7|Welterweight |Felix |Trinidad | 1028
8|Welterweight |Mickey |Walker | 917
9|Welterweight |Joe |Walcott | 866
10|Welterweight |Pernell |Whitaker | 857
11|Welterweight |Jimmy |Gardner | 838
12|Welterweight |Jack |Britton | 812
13|Welterweight |Young |Corbett III | 772
14|Welterweight |Mike Twin |Sullivan | 693
15|Welterweight |Donald |Curry | 671
16|Welterweight |Ted 'Kid' |Lewis | 664
17|Welterweight |Jimmy |McLarnin | 657
18|Welterweight |Carmen |Basilio | 543
19|Welterweight |Curtis |Cokes | 505
20|Welterweight |Al |Neill | 485
21|Welterweight |George |Cole | 473
22|Welterweight |George |Green | 467
23|Welterweight |Tommy |West | 458
24|Welterweight |Henry |Armstrong | 433
25|Welterweight |Lloyd |Honeyghan | 430
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Light Welterweight |Julio Cesar |Chavez | 1197
2|Light Welterweight |Nicolino |Locche | 1174
3|Light Welterweight |Bruno |Arcari | 993
4|Light Welterweight |Antonio |Cervantes | 865
5|Light Welterweight |Kostya |Tszyu | 794
6|Light Welterweight |Eddie |Perkins | 730
7|Light Welterweight |Aaron |Pryor | 608
8|Light Welterweight |Carlos |Hernandez | 497
9|Light Welterweight |Barney |Ross | 478
10|Light Welterweight |Juan Martin |Coggi | 368
11|Light Welterweight |Vinny |Pazienza | 306
12|Light Welterweight |Duilio |Loi | 246
13|Light Welterweight |Tippy |Larkin | 241
14|Light Welterweight |Saoul |Mamby | 229
15|Light Welterweight |Frankie |Randall | 229
16|Light Welterweight |Meldrick |Taylor | 222
17|Light Welterweight |Hector |Thompson | 210
18|Light Welterweight |Sharmba |Mitchell | 199
19|Light Welterweight |Saensak |Muangsurin | 196
20|Light Welterweight |Vince |Phillips | 189
21|Light Welterweight |Roger |Mayweather | 188
22|Light Welterweight |Bunny |Grant | 186
23|Light Welterweight |Joao |Henrique | 173
24|Light Welterweight |Ubaldo Nestor |Sacco | 156
25|Light Welterweight |Jo |Kimpuani | 155
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Lightweight |Roberto |Duran | 1907
2|Lightweight |Benny |Leonard | 1484
3|Lightweight |Carlos |Ortiz | 1418
4|Lightweight |Joe |Gans | 1102
5|Lightweight |Lew |Tendler | 735
6|Lightweight |Ike |Williams | 693
7|Lightweight |Tony |Canzoneri | 655
8|Lightweight |Beau |Jack | 617
9|Lightweight |Lou |Ambers | 549
10|Lightweight |Esteban |De Jesus | 531
11|Lightweight |Sammy |Angott | 501
12|Lightweight |Bob |Montgomery | 496
13|Lightweight |Battling |Nelson | 472
14|Lightweight |Ismael |Laguna | 443
15|Lightweight |Jimmy |Britt | 422
16|Lightweight |Miguel Angel |Gonzalez | 421
17|Lightweight |Ken |Buchanan | 397
18|Lightweight |Packey |McFarland | 393
19|Lightweight |Freddie |Dawson | 392
20|Lightweight |Joe |Brown | 352
21|Lightweight |Lockport Jimmy |Duffy | 336
22|Lightweight |Kenny |Lane | 334
23|Lightweight |Jack |Blackburn | 326
24|Lightweight |Freddie |Welsh | 325
25|Lightweight |Billy |Petrolle | 323
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Super Featherweight |Floyd |Mayweather Jr | 1444
2|Super Featherweight |Alexis |Arguello | 1140
3|Super Featherweight |Azumah |Nelson | 860
4|Super Featherweight |Flash |Elorde | 667
5|Super Featherweight |Samuel |Serrano | 649
6|Super Featherweight |Johnny |Dundee | 425
7|Super Featherweight |Rene |Barrientos | 416
8|Super Featherweight |Arturo |Gatti | 382
9|Super Featherweight |Hiroshi |Kobayashi | 377
10|Super Featherweight |Alfredo |Escalera | 364
11|Super Featherweight |John John |Molina | 326
12|Super Featherweight |Brian |Mitchell | 322
13|Super Featherweight |Nkosana |Mgxaji | 319
14|Super Featherweight |Kuniaki |Shibata | 308
15|Super Featherweight |Rocky |Lockridge | 307
16|Super Featherweight |Acelino |Freitas | 301
17|Super Featherweight |Diego |Corrales | 298
18|Super Featherweight |Love |Allotey | 297
19|Super Featherweight |Antonio |Amaya | 295
20|Super Featherweight |Barry |Michael | 282
21|Super Featherweight |Tony |Lopez | 279
22|Super Featherweight |Genaro |Hernandez | 272
23|Super Featherweight |Jesse James |Leija | 243
24|Super Featherweight |Ben |Villaflor | 230
25|Super Featherweight |Kang Il |Suh | 210
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Featherweight |Willie |Pep | 1460
2|Featherweight |Vicente |Saldivar | 1002
3|Featherweight |Sugar |Ramos | 877
4|Featherweight |Davey |Moore | 863
5|Featherweight |Johnny |Kilbane | 851
6|Featherweight |Terry |McGovern | 823
7|Featherweight |Abe |Attell | 814
8|Featherweight |Naseem |Hamed | 802
9|Featherweight |Owen |Moran | 700
10|Featherweight |Young |Corbett II | 687
11|Featherweight |Jim |Driscoll | 653
12|Featherweight |Louis |Kaplan | 615
13|Featherweight |Leo |Rodak | 604
14|Featherweight |Sandy |Saddler | 582
15|Featherweight |Chalky |Wright | 565
16|Featherweight |Danny |Lopez | 548
17|Featherweight |Salvador |Sanchez | 504
18|Featherweight |Bobby |Ruffin | 500
19|Featherweight |Eusebio |Pedroza | 421
20|Featherweight |Jeff |Fenech | 373
21|Featherweight |Howard |Winstone | 364
22|Featherweight |Jose |Legra | 346
23|Featherweight |Petey |Sarron | 344
24|Featherweight |Frankie |Fleming | 337
25|Featherweight |Tom |Smith | 334
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Super Bantamweight |Wilfredo |Gomez | 1388
2|Super Bantamweight |Erik |Morales | 1108
3|Super Bantamweight |Israel |Vazquez | 484
4|Super Bantamweight |Wilfredo |Vazquez | 432
5|Super Bantamweight |Daniel |Zaragoza | 343
6|Super Bantamweight |Ricardo |Cardona | 220
7|Super Bantamweight |Kennedy |McKinney | 216
8|Super Bantamweight |Sergio Victor |Palma | 190
9|Super Bantamweight |Tracy |Harris Patterson | 174
10|Super Bantamweight |Junior |Jones | 165
11|Super Bantamweight |Juan |Meza | 164
12|Super Bantamweight |Antonio |Cermeno | 157
13|Super Bantamweight |Victor |Callejas | 156
14|Super Bantamweight |Louie |Espinoza | 155
15|Super Bantamweight |Jaime |Garza | 140
16|Super Bantamweight |Leonardo |Cruz | 140
17|Super Bantamweight |Jesus |Salud | 137
18|Super Bantamweight |Seung Hoon |Lee | 135
19|Super Bantamweight |Carlos |Mendoza | 135
20|Super Bantamweight |Luis Enrique |Mendoza | 129
21|Super Bantamweight |Mike |Ayala | 123
22|Super Bantamweight |Wayne |McCullough | 119
23|Super Bantamweight |Loris |Stecca | 118
24|Super Bantamweight |Agapito |Sanchez | 111
25|Super Bantamweight |Samart |Payakaroon | 103
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Bantamweight |Eder |Jofre | 893
2|Bantamweight |Manuel |Ortiz | 820
3|Bantamweight |Jimmy |Carruthers | 654
4|Bantamweight |Rush |Dalma | 647
5|Bantamweight |Willie |Toweel | 586
6|Bantamweight |Carlos |Zarate | 538
7|Bantamweight |Ruben |Olivares | 505
8|Bantamweight |Fighting |Harada | 496
9|Bantamweight |Frankie |Burns | 482
10|Bantamweight |Harry |Forbes | 471
11|Bantamweight |Joe |Bowker | 467
12|Bantamweight |Panama Al |Brown | 432
13|Bantamweight |Jimmy |Walsh | 415
14|Bantamweight |Orlando |Canizales | 397
15|Bantamweight |Rodolfo |Martinez | 395
16|Bantamweight |Kid |Williams | 386
17|Bantamweight |Chucho |Castillo | 383
18|Bantamweight |Mario |D'Agata | 366
19|Bantamweight |Paul |Ferreri | 363
20|Bantamweight |Bushy |Graham | 363
21|Bantamweight |KO |Morgan | 356
22|Bantamweight |Arnold |Taylor | 356
23|Bantamweight |Dick |Corbett | 356
24|Bantamweight |Jose |Medel | 353
25|Bantamweight |Rodolfo |Casanova | 343
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Super Flyweight |Gilberto |Roman | 555
2|Super Flyweight |Jiro |Watanabe | 492
3|Super Flyweight |Khaosai |Galaxy | 450
4|Super Flyweight |Johnny |Tapia | 435
5|Super Flyweight |Sung-Kil |Moon | 401
6|Super Flyweight |Masamori |Tokuyama | 273
7|Super Flyweight |Samson |Dutch Boy Gym | 226
8|Super Flyweight |Gustavo |Ballas | 220
9|Super Flyweight |Sugar Baby |Rojas | 187
10|Super Flyweight |Jesus |Rojas | 180
11|Super Flyweight |Hiroshi |Kawashima | 149
12|Super Flyweight |Rafael |Orono | 141
13|Super Flyweight |Thanomsak |Sithbaobay | 133
14|Super Flyweight |Yokthai |Sithoar | 121
15|Super Flyweight |Jose |Ruiz | 114
16|Super Flyweight |Danny |Romero | 98
17|Super Flyweight |In-Joo |Cho | 92
18|Super Flyweight |Payao |Poontarat | 92
19|Super Flyweight |Satoshi |Iida | 83
20|Super Flyweight |Celes |Kobayashi | 83
21|Super Flyweight |Alimi |Goitia | 82
22|Super Flyweight |Ellyas |Pical | 80
23|Super Flyweight |Katsuya |Onizuka | 72
24|Super Flyweight |Alberto |Castro | 70
25|Super Flyweight |Katsushige |Kawashima | 70
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Flyweight |Peter |Kane | 1330
2|Flyweight |Jimmy |Wilde | 1255
3|Flyweight |Jackie |Paterson | 1223
4|Flyweight |Fidel |LaBarba | 1122
5|Flyweight |Little |Pancho | 955
6|Flyweight |Little |Dado | 937
7|Flyweight |Pascual |Perez | 860
8|Flyweight |Midget |Wolgast | 787
9|Flyweight |Venice |Borkhorsor | 780
10|Flyweight |Efren |Torres | 726
11|Flyweight |Salvatore |Burruni | 721
12|Flyweight |Chartchai |Chionoi | 701
13|Flyweight |Horacio |Accavallo | 682
14|Flyweight |Newsboy |Brown | 633
15|Flyweight |Frankie |Genaro | 610
16|Flyweight |Benny |Lynch | 606
17|Flyweight |Rinty |Monaghan | 599
18|Flyweight |Pone |Kingpetch | 583
19|Flyweight |Ginger |Foran | 555
20|Flyweight |Pancho |Villa | 550
21|Flyweight |Masao |Ohba | 536
22|Flyweight |Chico |Morales | 494
23|Flyweight |Dai |Dower | 482
24|Flyweight |Miguel |Canto | 482
25|Flyweight |Hiroyuki |Ebihara | 480
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Light Flyweight |Jung-Koo |Chang | 679
2|Light Flyweight |Humberto |Gonzalez | 569
3|Light Flyweight |Luis |Estaba | 467
4|Light Flyweight |Hilario |Zapata | 427
5|Light Flyweight |Yoko |Gushiken | 380
6|Light Flyweight |Michael |Carbajal | 372
7|Light Flyweight |Myung-Woo |Yuh | 354
8|Light Flyweight |Pichit |Chor Siriwat | 288
9|Light Flyweight |Leo |Gamez | 287
10|Light Flyweight |Sung Jun |Kim | 253
11|Light Flyweight |Saman |Sorjaturong | 227
12|Light Flyweight |Jacob |Matlala | 224
13|Light Flyweight |Joey |Olivo | 218
14|Light Flyweight |German |Torres | 198
15|Light Flyweight |Yo Sam |Choi | 186
16|Light Flyweight |Rolando |Pascua | 159
17|Light Flyweight |Amado |Ursua | 148
18|Light Flyweight |Katsuo |Tokashiki | 144
19|Light Flyweight |Lupe |Madera | 140
20|Light Flyweight |Victor |Burgos | 128
21|Light Flyweight |Beibis |Mendoza | 121
22|Light Flyweight |Jose |De Jesus | 114
23|Light Flyweight |Francisco |Quiroz | 113
24|Light Flyweight |Juan |Alvarez | 98
25|Light Flyweight |Hiroki |Ioka | 93
rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd
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1|Minimumweight |Ricardo |Lopez | 1161
2|Minimumweight |Rosendo |Alvarez | 561
3|Minimumweight |Chana |Porpaoin | 331
4|Minimumweight |Fahlan |Sakkreerin | 211
5|Minimumweight |Eagle Den |Junlaphan | 140
6|Minimumweight |Yutaka |Niida | 129
7|Minimumweight |Hideyuki |Ohashi | 127
8|Minimumweight |Zolani |Petelo | 120
9|Minimumweight |Songkram |Porpaoin | 108
10|Minimumweight |Manny |Melchor | 107
11|Minimumweight |Eric |Chavez | 102
12|Minimumweight |Joma |Gamboa | 102
13|Minimumweight |Keitaro |Hoshino | 94
14|Minimumweight |Rocky |Lin | 92
15|Minimumweight |Ronnie |Magramo | 83
16|Minimumweight |Hi-Yong |Choi | 83
17|Minimumweight |Andy |Tabanas | 81
18|Minimumweight |Hector Luis |Patri | 69
19|Minimumweight |Fahsang |Pongsawang | 64
20|Minimumweight |Noel |Tunacao | 60
21|Minimumweight |Jin Ho |Kim | 59
22|Minimumweight |Ernesto |Rubillar | 57
23|Minimumweight |Satoshi |Kogumazaka | 55
24|Minimumweight |Yuichi |Hosono | 49
25|Minimumweight |Ala |Villamor | 46
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Hey computerrank,
Any chance I could see a break down of Michael Moorer's career in points? Just through curiosity.
Any chance I could see a break down of Michael Moorer's career in points? Just through curiosity.
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Asterix wrote:Hey computerrank,
Any chance I could see a break down of Michael Moorer's career in points? Just through curiosity.
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date |division |boxer |opponent |rs|dec|box_0>box_1|opp_0>opp_1
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1988-03-04|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Riggs |W |TKO| 0| 15| 11| 7
1988-03-25| |Moorer |Lee |W |TKO| 15| 72| 20| 13
1988-04-29|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Zwierzynski |W |KO | 56| 56| 0| 0
1988-05-10| |Moorer |Fikes |W |TKO| 32| 83| 22| 16
1988-06-06| |Moorer |McMurray |W |TKO| 109| 109| 13| 13
1988-06-25| |Moorer |Stanley |W |TKO| 63| 127| 68| 45
1988-08-06|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Walker |W |TKO| 218| 316| 192| 131
1988-08-12| |Moorer |Keepers |W |TKO| 242| 242| 0| 0
1988-10-07| |Moorer |Suero |W |TKO| 316| 316| 0| 0
1988-10-17| |Moorer |Williams |W |TKO| 316| 316| 22| 22
1988-11-04| |Moorer |Kennedy |W |KO | 316| 426| 268| 184
1988-12-03|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Hassan |W |TKO| 426| 668| 539| 347
1989-01-14|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Claudio |W |TKO| 668| 668| 109| 109
1989-02-19|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Swindell |W |TKO| 668| 854| 576| 394
1989-04-22|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Delgado |W |TKO| 854| 908| 335| 281
1989-06-25|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Stewart |W |TKO| 908| 1086| 628| 450
1989-11-16|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Thompson |W |TKO| 1086| 1131| 374| 328
1989-12-22|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Sedillo |W |TKO| 1131| 1209| 458| 380
1990-02-03|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Allen |W |TKO| 1209| 1209| 221| 221
1990-04-28|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Melo |W |KO | 1209| 1305| 516| 421
1990-08-21|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |MacDonald |W |TKO| 1280| 1280| 190| 190
1990-12-15|Light Heavyweight |Moorer |Stonewalker |W |TKO| 1280| 1280| 140| 140
1991-04-19|Heavyweight |Moorer |Davis |W |TKO| 712| 712| 126| 126
1991-06-25|Heavyweight |Moorer |Billups |W |TKO| 712| 712| 142| 142
1991-07-27|Heavyweight |Moorer |Stewart |W |TKO| 712| 764| 296| 244
1991-11-23|Heavyweight |Moorer |Crabtree |W |TKO| 738| 738| 124| 124
1992-02-01|Heavyweight |Moorer |White |W |UD | 738| 738| 177| 177
1992-03-17|Heavyweight |Moorer |Martin |W |UD | 738| 751| 221| 207
1992-05-15|Heavyweight |Moorer |Cooper |W |TKO| 745| 877| 485| 352
1992-11-13|Heavyweight |Moorer |Wright |W |TKO| 877| 877| 70| 70
1993-02-27|Heavyweight |Moorer |Smith |W |UD | 877| 898| 276| 255
1993-04-27|Heavyweight |Moorer |Swindell |W |TKO| 898| 898| 159| 159
1993-06-22|Heavyweight |Moorer |Pritchard |W |TKO| 898| 898| 157| 157
1993-12-04|Heavyweight |Moorer |Evans |W |PTS| 725| 734| 206| 197
1994-04-22|Heavyweight |Moorer |Holyfield |W |MD | 730| 1250| 1659| 1194
1994-11-05|Heavyweight |Moorer |Foreman |L |KO | 1250| 742| 431| 989
1995-05-13|Heavyweight |Moorer |Foster |W |UD | 742| 757| 225| 210
1996-06-22|Heavyweight |Moorer |Schulz |W |SD | 603| 594| 463| 472
1996-11-09|Heavyweight |Moorer |Botha |W |TKO| 594| 654| 283| 223
1997-03-29|Heavyweight |Moorer |Bean |W |MD | 654| 551| 122| 225
1997-11-08|Heavyweight |Moorer |Holyfield |L |TKO| 551| 454| 1327| 1425
2000-11-17|Heavyweight |Moorer |Boyd |W |TKO| 112| 177| 89| 62
2001-01-12|Heavyweight |Moorer |Lewis |W |TKO| 177| 331| 277| 174
2001-07-27|Heavyweight |Moorer |Crowe |D |TD | 0| 0| 0| 0
2001-12-09|Heavyweight |Moorer |Porter |W |TKO| 331| 331| 51| 51
2002-02-16|Heavyweight |Moorer |Davis |W |UD | 331| 385| 230| 175
2002-08-17|Heavyweight |Moorer |Tua |L |KO | 385| 314| 904| 975
2003-03-29|Heavyweight |Moorer |Tisdale |W |UD | 314| 320| 94| 88
2003-08-23|Heavyweight |Moorer |Lobo |W |KO | 320| 320| 49| 49
2004-01-17|Heavyweight |Moorer |Da Silva |W |TKO| 320| 320| 30| 30
2004-07-03|Heavyweight |Moorer |Castillo |L |UD | 254| 173| 145| 268
2004-12-09|Heavyweight |Moorer |Jirov |W |TKO| 173| 433| 516| 306
2006-12-09|Heavyweight |Moorer |Couser |W |KO | 172| 284| 175| 117
2007-03-16|Heavyweight |Moorer |Fields |W |UD | 284| 292| 93| 85
2007-08-16|Heavyweight |Moorer |Boruff |W |TKO| 292| 292| 49| 49
2007-10-31|Heavyweight |Moorer |Willis |W |SD | 292| 252| 71| 111
2008-02-08|Heavyweight |Moorer |Gross |W |KO | 252| 252| 22| 22Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Thanks.
It would be brilliant if you could provide a page on Boxrec that displays those figures for all the boxers.
It would be brilliant if you could provide a page on Boxrec that displays those figures for all the boxers.
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jujigatame
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
What was the adjustment that was just made last night for Campillo/Shumenov? Were the judge's scores updated in the database or something?
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Most likely.jujigatame wrote:What was the adjustment that was just made last night for Campillo/Shumenov? Were the judge's scores updated in the database or something?
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Scores adjustment - yes ...
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jujigatame
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
Just curious, if Floyd Mayweather were listed in the welterweight rankings right now, what would his point total be with all the inactivity penalties? Would he still be ahead of Mosely?
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computerrank
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Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
... would be at 1543 points at welterweight ...
Re: Boxrec Ratings - Read first before commenting on the ratings
im sure that a little while ago there was the option to look at a p4p list in the ratings link... wheres it gone?