... got lost with the new servers - John received the message ...MatthewS wrote:im sure that a little while ago there was the option to look at a p4p list in the ratings link... wheres it gone?
cool, i quite enjoyed looking at that.computerrank wrote:... got lost with the new servers - John received the message ...MatthewS wrote:im sure that a little while ago there was the option to look at a p4p list in the ratings link... wheres it gone?
fixedMatthewS wrote:I cant seem to see any of the ratings pages, if you werent already aware
Hicomputerrank wrote:This would be the all time ratings with all annual ratings converted to the all time division assigned by the editors:
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rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Heavyweight |Muhammad |Ali | 2115 2|Heavyweight |Joe |Louis | 1565 3|Heavyweight |Jack |Johnson | 1363 4|Heavyweight |Floyd |Patterson | 1276 5|Heavyweight |Harry |Wills | 1168 6|Heavyweight |Larry |Holmes | 1027 7|Heavyweight |Joe |Frazier | 838 8|Heavyweight |Rocky |Marciano | 816 9|Heavyweight |Sonny |Liston | 781 10|Heavyweight |Lennox |Lewis | 749 11|Heavyweight |Sam |Langford | 745 12|Heavyweight |Ezzard |Charles | 710 13|Heavyweight |Mike |Tyson | 695 14|Heavyweight |Max |Schmeling | 666 15|Heavyweight |Jimmy |Bivins | 638 16|Heavyweight |George |Foreman | 608 17|Heavyweight |Jack |Sharkey | 604 18|Heavyweight |James J |Jeffries | 581 19|Heavyweight |Sam |McVea | 527 20|Heavyweight |Ingemar |Johansson | 477 21|Heavyweight |Joe |Jeannette | 438 22|Heavyweight |Ken |Norton | 427 23|Heavyweight |Jack |Dempsey | 405 24|Heavyweight |Max |Baer | 381 25|Heavyweight |Marvin |Hart | 361 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Cruiserweight |Carlos |De Leon | 622 2|Cruiserweight |Orlin |Norris | 438 3|Cruiserweight |Johnny |Nelson | 382 4|Cruiserweight |Anaclet |Wamba | 288 5|Cruiserweight |Jean Marc |Mormeck | 238 6|Cruiserweight |O'Neil |Bell | 232 7|Cruiserweight |Ossie |Ocasio | 222 8|Cruiserweight |Vassiliy |Jirov | 218 9|Cruiserweight |Marcelo Fabian |Dominguez | 186 10|Cruiserweight |Carl |Thompson | 165 11|Cruiserweight |Adolpho |Washington | 164 12|Cruiserweight |Nate |Miller | 161 13|Cruiserweight |Piet |Crous | 129 14|Cruiserweight |John |Odhiambho | 125 15|Cruiserweight |Alexander |Gurov | 125 16|Cruiserweight |Jeff |Lampkin | 103 17|Cruiserweight |Norbert |Ekassi | 101 18|Cruiserweight |Angelo |Rottoli | 99 19|Cruiserweight |ST |Gordon | 88 20|Cruiserweight |Sebastiaan |Rothmann | 85 21|Cruiserweight |Lou |Del Valle | 85 22|Cruiserweight |Glenn |McCrory | 79 23|Cruiserweight |Ralf |Rocchigiani | 77 24|Cruiserweight |Akim |Tafer | 77 25|Cruiserweight |Vincenzo |Cantatore | 76 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Light Heavyweight |Archie |Moore | 2443 2|Light Heavyweight |Philadelphia Jack |O'Brien | 2191 3|Light Heavyweight |Tommy |Gibbons | 1835 4|Light Heavyweight |Gene |Tunney | 1500 5|Light Heavyweight |Melio |Bettina | 1178 6|Light Heavyweight |Tommy |Loughran | 1145 7|Light Heavyweight |Jack |Root | 1134 8|Light Heavyweight |Bob |Foster | 1111 9|Light Heavyweight |Bob |Fitzsimmons | 1073 10|Light Heavyweight |Michael |Spinks | 1044 11|Light Heavyweight |Harold |Johnson | 1034 12|Light Heavyweight |Billy |Conn | 907 13|Light Heavyweight |Billy |Miske | 905 14|Light Heavyweight |Battling |Levinsky | 899 15|Light Heavyweight |Virgil |Hill | 883 16|Light Heavyweight |Joey |Maxim | 869 17|Light Heavyweight |Tami |Mauriello | 831 18|Light Heavyweight |Charles Kid |McCoy | 728 19|Light Heavyweight |Maxie |Rosenbloom | 726 20|Light Heavyweight |Dariusz |Michalczewski | 706 21|Light Heavyweight |John Henry |Lewis | 694 22|Light Heavyweight |Jose |Torres | 641 23|Light Heavyweight |Dwight Muhammad |Qawi | 633 24|Light Heavyweight |Georges |Carpentier | 622 25|Light Heavyweight |Young |Stribling | 579 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Super Middleweight |Joe |Calzaghe | 792 2|Super Middleweight |Steve |Collins | 399 3|Super Middleweight |Chris |Eubank | 364 4|Super Middleweight |Nigel |Benn | 354 5|Super Middleweight |Sven |Ottke | 278 6|Super Middleweight |Frankie |Liles | 206 7|Super Middleweight |Thulani |Malinga | 202 8|Super Middleweight |Robin |Reid | 162 9|Super Middleweight |Christophe |Tiozzo | 128 10|Super Middleweight |Markus |Beyer | 117 11|Super Middleweight |In-Chul |Baek | 114 12|Super Middleweight |Henry |Wharton | 112 13|Super Middleweight |Fulgencio |Obelmejias | 106 14|Super Middleweight |Victor |Cordoba | 101 15|Super Middleweight |Eric |Lucas | 94 16|Super Middleweight |Thomas |Tate | 92 17|Super Middleweight |Darrin |Van Horn | 89 18|Super Middleweight |Sam |Soliman | 88 19|Super Middleweight |Charles |Brewer | 81 20|Super Middleweight |Richie |Woodhall | 78 21|Super Middleweight |Dana |Rosenblatt | 76 22|Super Middleweight |Guy |Waters | 75 23|Super Middleweight |James |Cook | 71 24|Super Middleweight |Mario |Veit | 68 25|Super Middleweight |Frederic |Seillier | 63 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Middleweight |Marvin |Hagler | 1589 2|Middleweight |Sugar Ray |Robinson | 1509 3|Middleweight |Harry |Greb | 1464 4|Middleweight |Carlos |Monzon | 1446 5|Middleweight |Tommy |Ryan | 965 6|Middleweight |Dick |Tiger | 863 7|Middleweight |Michael |Nunn | 678 8|Middleweight |Mike |McCallum | 677 9|Middleweight |Mike |Gibbons | 629 10|Middleweight |Stanley |Ketchel | 484 11|Middleweight |Mike |O'Dowd | 472 12|Middleweight |Rodrigo |Valdez | 472 13|Middleweight |Gene |Fullmer | 471 14|Middleweight |Joey |Giardello | 447 15|Middleweight |George |Gardner | 446 16|Middleweight |Sumbu |Kalambay | 384 17|Middleweight |Bobo |Olson | 378 18|Middleweight |Charley |Burley | 365 19|Middleweight |Fred |Apostoli | 362 20|Middleweight |Nino |Benvenuti | 361 21|Middleweight |Jack (Twin) |Sullivan | 347 22|Middleweight |Leo |Houck | 313 23|Middleweight |Jimmy |Clabby | 303 24|Middleweight |Ceferino |Garcia | 303 25|Middleweight |Jack |Dillon | 299 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Light Middleweight |Sandro |Mazzinghi | 1095 2|Light Middleweight |Terry |Norris | 790 3|Light Middleweight |Freddie |Little | 609 4|Light Middleweight |Wilfred |Benitez | 583 5|Light Middleweight |Maurice |Hope | 572 6|Light Middleweight |Ki Soo |Kim | 449 7|Light Middleweight |Ayub |Kalule | 352 8|Light Middleweight |Bruno |Visintin | 344 9|Light Middleweight |Denny |Moyer | 313 10|Light Middleweight |Rocky |Mattioli | 275 11|Light Middleweight |Laurent |Boudouani | 266 12|Light Middleweight |Javier |Castillejo | 247 13|Light Middleweight |Louis |Acaries | 182 14|Light Middleweight |Carlos |Santos | 181 15|Light Middleweight |Fernando |Vargas | 179 16|Light Middleweight |Daniel |Santos | 173 17|Light Middleweight |John |Mugabi | 164 18|Light Middleweight |Loucif |Hamani | 159 19|Light Middleweight |Buster |Drayton | 143 20|Light Middleweight |Harry |Simon | 141 21|Light Middleweight |Carmelo |Bossi | 139 22|Light Middleweight |Domenico |Tiberia | 136 23|Light Middleweight |Eckhard |Dagge | 131 24|Light Middleweight |Matthew |Hilton | 126 25|Light Middleweight |Bo |Hogberg | 125 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Welterweight |Thomas |Hearns | 1696 2|Welterweight |Jose |Napoles | 1547 3|Welterweight |Oscar |De La Hoya | 1421 4|Welterweight |Emile |Griffith | 1364 5|Welterweight |Sugar Ray |Leonard | 1295 6|Welterweight |Luis Manuel |Rodriguez | 1045 7|Welterweight |Felix |Trinidad | 1028 8|Welterweight |Mickey |Walker | 917 9|Welterweight |Joe |Walcott | 866 10|Welterweight |Pernell |Whitaker | 857 11|Welterweight |Jimmy |Gardner | 838 12|Welterweight |Jack |Britton | 812 13|Welterweight |Young |Corbett III | 772 14|Welterweight |Mike Twin |Sullivan | 693 15|Welterweight |Donald |Curry | 671 16|Welterweight |Ted 'Kid' |Lewis | 664 17|Welterweight |Jimmy |McLarnin | 657 18|Welterweight |Carmen |Basilio | 543 19|Welterweight |Curtis |Cokes | 505 20|Welterweight |Al |Neill | 485 21|Welterweight |George |Cole | 473 22|Welterweight |George |Green | 467 23|Welterweight |Tommy |West | 458 24|Welterweight |Henry |Armstrong | 433 25|Welterweight |Lloyd |Honeyghan | 430 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Light Welterweight |Julio Cesar |Chavez | 1197 2|Light Welterweight |Nicolino |Locche | 1174 3|Light Welterweight |Bruno |Arcari | 993 4|Light Welterweight |Antonio |Cervantes | 865 5|Light Welterweight |Kostya |Tszyu | 794 6|Light Welterweight |Eddie |Perkins | 730 7|Light Welterweight |Aaron |Pryor | 608 8|Light Welterweight |Carlos |Hernandez | 497 9|Light Welterweight |Barney |Ross | 478 10|Light Welterweight |Juan Martin |Coggi | 368 11|Light Welterweight |Vinny |Pazienza | 306 12|Light Welterweight |Duilio |Loi | 246 13|Light Welterweight |Tippy |Larkin | 241 14|Light Welterweight |Saoul |Mamby | 229 15|Light Welterweight |Frankie |Randall | 229 16|Light Welterweight |Meldrick |Taylor | 222 17|Light Welterweight |Hector |Thompson | 210 18|Light Welterweight |Sharmba |Mitchell | 199 19|Light Welterweight |Saensak |Muangsurin | 196 20|Light Welterweight |Vince |Phillips | 189 21|Light Welterweight |Roger |Mayweather | 188 22|Light Welterweight |Bunny |Grant | 186 23|Light Welterweight |Joao |Henrique | 173 24|Light Welterweight |Ubaldo Nestor |Sacco | 156 25|Light Welterweight |Jo |Kimpuani | 155 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Lightweight |Roberto |Duran | 1907 2|Lightweight |Benny |Leonard | 1484 3|Lightweight |Carlos |Ortiz | 1418 4|Lightweight |Joe |Gans | 1102 5|Lightweight |Lew |Tendler | 735 6|Lightweight |Ike |Williams | 693 7|Lightweight |Tony |Canzoneri | 655 8|Lightweight |Beau |Jack | 617 9|Lightweight |Lou |Ambers | 549 10|Lightweight |Esteban |De Jesus | 531 11|Lightweight |Sammy |Angott | 501 12|Lightweight |Bob |Montgomery | 496 13|Lightweight |Battling |Nelson | 472 14|Lightweight |Ismael |Laguna | 443 15|Lightweight |Jimmy |Britt | 422 16|Lightweight |Miguel Angel |Gonzalez | 421 17|Lightweight |Ken |Buchanan | 397 18|Lightweight |Packey |McFarland | 393 19|Lightweight |Freddie |Dawson | 392 20|Lightweight |Joe |Brown | 352 21|Lightweight |Lockport Jimmy |Duffy | 336 22|Lightweight |Kenny |Lane | 334 23|Lightweight |Jack |Blackburn | 326 24|Lightweight |Freddie |Welsh | 325 25|Lightweight |Billy |Petrolle | 323 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Super Featherweight |Floyd |Mayweather Jr | 1444 2|Super Featherweight |Alexis |Arguello | 1140 3|Super Featherweight |Azumah |Nelson | 860 4|Super Featherweight |Flash |Elorde | 667 5|Super Featherweight |Samuel |Serrano | 649 6|Super Featherweight |Johnny |Dundee | 425 7|Super Featherweight |Rene |Barrientos | 416 8|Super Featherweight |Arturo |Gatti | 382 9|Super Featherweight |Hiroshi |Kobayashi | 377 10|Super Featherweight |Alfredo |Escalera | 364 11|Super Featherweight |John John |Molina | 326 12|Super Featherweight |Brian |Mitchell | 322 13|Super Featherweight |Nkosana |Mgxaji | 319 14|Super Featherweight |Kuniaki |Shibata | 308 15|Super Featherweight |Rocky |Lockridge | 307 16|Super Featherweight |Acelino |Freitas | 301 17|Super Featherweight |Diego |Corrales | 298 18|Super Featherweight |Love |Allotey | 297 19|Super Featherweight |Antonio |Amaya | 295 20|Super Featherweight |Barry |Michael | 282 21|Super Featherweight |Tony |Lopez | 279 22|Super Featherweight |Genaro |Hernandez | 272 23|Super Featherweight |Jesse James |Leija | 243 24|Super Featherweight |Ben |Villaflor | 230 25|Super Featherweight |Kang Il |Suh | 210 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Featherweight |Willie |Pep | 1460 2|Featherweight |Vicente |Saldivar | 1002 3|Featherweight |Sugar |Ramos | 877 4|Featherweight |Davey |Moore | 863 5|Featherweight |Johnny |Kilbane | 851 6|Featherweight |Terry |McGovern | 823 7|Featherweight |Abe |Attell | 814 8|Featherweight |Naseem |Hamed | 802 9|Featherweight |Owen |Moran | 700 10|Featherweight |Young |Corbett II | 687 11|Featherweight |Jim |Driscoll | 653 12|Featherweight |Louis |Kaplan | 615 13|Featherweight |Leo |Rodak | 604 14|Featherweight |Sandy |Saddler | 582 15|Featherweight |Chalky |Wright | 565 16|Featherweight |Danny |Lopez | 548 17|Featherweight |Salvador |Sanchez | 504 18|Featherweight |Bobby |Ruffin | 500 19|Featherweight |Eusebio |Pedroza | 421 20|Featherweight |Jeff |Fenech | 373 21|Featherweight |Howard |Winstone | 364 22|Featherweight |Jose |Legra | 346 23|Featherweight |Petey |Sarron | 344 24|Featherweight |Frankie |Fleming | 337 25|Featherweight |Tom |Smith | 334 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Super Bantamweight |Wilfredo |Gomez | 1388 2|Super Bantamweight |Erik |Morales | 1108 3|Super Bantamweight |Israel |Vazquez | 484 4|Super Bantamweight |Wilfredo |Vazquez | 432 5|Super Bantamweight |Daniel |Zaragoza | 343 6|Super Bantamweight |Ricardo |Cardona | 220 7|Super Bantamweight |Kennedy |McKinney | 216 8|Super Bantamweight |Sergio Victor |Palma | 190 9|Super Bantamweight |Tracy |Harris Patterson | 174 10|Super Bantamweight |Junior |Jones | 165 11|Super Bantamweight |Juan |Meza | 164 12|Super Bantamweight |Antonio |Cermeno | 157 13|Super Bantamweight |Victor |Callejas | 156 14|Super Bantamweight |Louie |Espinoza | 155 15|Super Bantamweight |Jaime |Garza | 140 16|Super Bantamweight |Leonardo |Cruz | 140 17|Super Bantamweight |Jesus |Salud | 137 18|Super Bantamweight |Seung Hoon |Lee | 135 19|Super Bantamweight |Carlos |Mendoza | 135 20|Super Bantamweight |Luis Enrique |Mendoza | 129 21|Super Bantamweight |Mike |Ayala | 123 22|Super Bantamweight |Wayne |McCullough | 119 23|Super Bantamweight |Loris |Stecca | 118 24|Super Bantamweight |Agapito |Sanchez | 111 25|Super Bantamweight |Samart |Payakaroon | 103 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Bantamweight |Eder |Jofre | 893 2|Bantamweight |Manuel |Ortiz | 820 3|Bantamweight |Jimmy |Carruthers | 654 4|Bantamweight |Rush |Dalma | 647 5|Bantamweight |Willie |Toweel | 586 6|Bantamweight |Carlos |Zarate | 538 7|Bantamweight |Ruben |Olivares | 505 8|Bantamweight |Fighting |Harada | 496 9|Bantamweight |Frankie |Burns | 482 10|Bantamweight |Harry |Forbes | 471 11|Bantamweight |Joe |Bowker | 467 12|Bantamweight |Panama Al |Brown | 432 13|Bantamweight |Jimmy |Walsh | 415 14|Bantamweight |Orlando |Canizales | 397 15|Bantamweight |Rodolfo |Martinez | 395 16|Bantamweight |Kid |Williams | 386 17|Bantamweight |Chucho |Castillo | 383 18|Bantamweight |Mario |D'Agata | 366 19|Bantamweight |Paul |Ferreri | 363 20|Bantamweight |Bushy |Graham | 363 21|Bantamweight |KO |Morgan | 356 22|Bantamweight |Arnold |Taylor | 356 23|Bantamweight |Dick |Corbett | 356 24|Bantamweight |Jose |Medel | 353 25|Bantamweight |Rodolfo |Casanova | 343 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Super Flyweight |Gilberto |Roman | 555 2|Super Flyweight |Jiro |Watanabe | 492 3|Super Flyweight |Khaosai |Galaxy | 450 4|Super Flyweight |Johnny |Tapia | 435 5|Super Flyweight |Sung-Kil |Moon | 401 6|Super Flyweight |Masamori |Tokuyama | 273 7|Super Flyweight |Samson |Dutch Boy Gym | 226 8|Super Flyweight |Gustavo |Ballas | 220 9|Super Flyweight |Sugar Baby |Rojas | 187 10|Super Flyweight |Jesus |Rojas | 180 11|Super Flyweight |Hiroshi |Kawashima | 149 12|Super Flyweight |Rafael |Orono | 141 13|Super Flyweight |Thanomsak |Sithbaobay | 133 14|Super Flyweight |Yokthai |Sithoar | 121 15|Super Flyweight |Jose |Ruiz | 114 16|Super Flyweight |Danny |Romero | 98 17|Super Flyweight |In-Joo |Cho | 92 18|Super Flyweight |Payao |Poontarat | 92 19|Super Flyweight |Satoshi |Iida | 83 20|Super Flyweight |Celes |Kobayashi | 83 21|Super Flyweight |Alimi |Goitia | 82 22|Super Flyweight |Ellyas |Pical | 80 23|Super Flyweight |Katsuya |Onizuka | 72 24|Super Flyweight |Alberto |Castro | 70 25|Super Flyweight |Katsushige |Kawashima | 70 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Flyweight |Peter |Kane | 1330 2|Flyweight |Jimmy |Wilde | 1255 3|Flyweight |Jackie |Paterson | 1223 4|Flyweight |Fidel |LaBarba | 1122 5|Flyweight |Little |Pancho | 955 6|Flyweight |Little |Dado | 937 7|Flyweight |Pascual |Perez | 860 8|Flyweight |Midget |Wolgast | 787 9|Flyweight |Venice |Borkhorsor | 780 10|Flyweight |Efren |Torres | 726 11|Flyweight |Salvatore |Burruni | 721 12|Flyweight |Chartchai |Chionoi | 701 13|Flyweight |Horacio |Accavallo | 682 14|Flyweight |Newsboy |Brown | 633 15|Flyweight |Frankie |Genaro | 610 16|Flyweight |Benny |Lynch | 606 17|Flyweight |Rinty |Monaghan | 599 18|Flyweight |Pone |Kingpetch | 583 19|Flyweight |Ginger |Foran | 555 20|Flyweight |Pancho |Villa | 550 21|Flyweight |Masao |Ohba | 536 22|Flyweight |Chico |Morales | 494 23|Flyweight |Dai |Dower | 482 24|Flyweight |Miguel |Canto | 482 25|Flyweight |Hiroyuki |Ebihara | 480 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Light Flyweight |Jung-Koo |Chang | 679 2|Light Flyweight |Humberto |Gonzalez | 569 3|Light Flyweight |Luis |Estaba | 467 4|Light Flyweight |Hilario |Zapata | 427 5|Light Flyweight |Yoko |Gushiken | 380 6|Light Flyweight |Michael |Carbajal | 372 7|Light Flyweight |Myung-Woo |Yuh | 354 8|Light Flyweight |Pichit |Chor Siriwat | 288 9|Light Flyweight |Leo |Gamez | 287 10|Light Flyweight |Sung Jun |Kim | 253 11|Light Flyweight |Saman |Sorjaturong | 227 12|Light Flyweight |Jacob |Matlala | 224 13|Light Flyweight |Joey |Olivo | 218 14|Light Flyweight |German |Torres | 198 15|Light Flyweight |Yo Sam |Choi | 186 16|Light Flyweight |Rolando |Pascua | 159 17|Light Flyweight |Amado |Ursua | 148 18|Light Flyweight |Katsuo |Tokashiki | 144 19|Light Flyweight |Lupe |Madera | 140 20|Light Flyweight |Victor |Burgos | 128 21|Light Flyweight |Beibis |Mendoza | 121 22|Light Flyweight |Jose |De Jesus | 114 23|Light Flyweight |Francisco |Quiroz | 113 24|Light Flyweight |Juan |Alvarez | 98 25|Light Flyweight |Hiroki |Ioka | 93 rank|division |first_name |last_name | rd ----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|----- 1|Minimumweight |Ricardo |Lopez | 1161 2|Minimumweight |Rosendo |Alvarez | 561 3|Minimumweight |Chana |Porpaoin | 331 4|Minimumweight |Fahlan |Sakkreerin | 211 5|Minimumweight |Eagle Den |Junlaphan | 140 6|Minimumweight |Yutaka |Niida | 129 7|Minimumweight |Hideyuki |Ohashi | 127 8|Minimumweight |Zolani |Petelo | 120 9|Minimumweight |Songkram |Porpaoin | 108 10|Minimumweight |Manny |Melchor | 107 11|Minimumweight |Eric |Chavez | 102 12|Minimumweight |Joma |Gamboa | 102 13|Minimumweight |Keitaro |Hoshino | 94 14|Minimumweight |Rocky |Lin | 92 15|Minimumweight |Ronnie |Magramo | 83 16|Minimumweight |Hi-Yong |Choi | 83 17|Minimumweight |Andy |Tabanas | 81 18|Minimumweight |Hector Luis |Patri | 69 19|Minimumweight |Fahsang |Pongsawang | 64 20|Minimumweight |Noel |Tunacao | 60 21|Minimumweight |Jin Ho |Kim | 59 22|Minimumweight |Ernesto |Rubillar | 57 23|Minimumweight |Satoshi |Kogumazaka | 55 24|Minimumweight |Yuichi |Hosono | 49 25|Minimumweight |Ala |Villamor | 46
Thanks for the explanation. AS I said, I'm unsure of the algorithms. That would explain hopkin and Jones, but not armstrong.JCS wrote:I think active fighters were excluded from those lists Conan.
Using "current" points in all-time rankings makes it tough, as the value of a point can change throughout time.conan_the_cribber wrote:Thanks for the explanation. AS I said, I'm unsure of the algorithms. That would explain hopkin and Jones, but not armstrong.JCS wrote:I think active fighters were excluded from those lists Conan.
At 147 lbs he's worse pound for pound than he is at 135 lbs. Sorry, but it makes complete sense to me. Is Mayweather still the P4P king if he moves up to light heavyweight? No chance, unless, of course, he starts beating the top guys there.MontyCircus wrote:The interesting bit is that...with 1908 points...Juan Manuel Marquez is the third best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet (Floyd would be 7th, wedged in between the Klitschko brothers).
...But in choosing to go up 2 more weight-classes and fight Floyd...Juan Manuel Marquez loses 299 points and becomes...the fifth best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet. That's right...he immediately drops two spots on the pound-for-pound list for going up 2 weight-classes to take on the former p4p king.
It doesn't make a lick of sense. Though I'll admit very little can be done about the "Current P4P" system in this regard...it would involve having editors choose a fighter's "true" class...DURING their careers...which is a bit much to ask I think...
Hi Monty,MontyCircus wrote:Hey Conan, long time no ratings quibbling eh? haha...I'll reply in-line so I don't miss anything...
conan_the_cribber wrote:
Hi
I don’t usually get involved with the all-time and pfp stuff, but I read the last few posts from Monty and they got me thinking a bit.
Yay! That's my job
I’m not sure what the status quo is, or where I could read about the formulas, so excuse my ignorance.
There's a brief explanation of the all-time ratings on the boxrec wiki dictionary page thingy...that's all I really needed to get an idea of what they do and their intention.
Principally I think you have to differentiate between all-time ratings and pfp ratings. Obviously these ratings are trying to express different things.
Yup...I think differently than you though. For example, I think a fighter's "current" division points and his "current" P4P points should be different scores...unless he's been in one division for his career (a la Hagler)
First all the all-time weight division stuff. Here I’d be looking at a fighter’s performance in a weight division. The weight division assigned to the fight should not play any role in the discussion. That means of course, that a fighter can be ranked in multiple divisions. There is nothing wrong with saying that Ray Robinson was the greatest welter who ever lived and he was a top 10 middleweight as well. How the rest of the equation is done is up to you guys. Obviously for all-time ratings it should respect the duration of a career. It should also respect the peak or peaks of the fighter’s career.
Then how would you feel about Sugar Ray being listed around #20 all-time welterweight and #20 all-time middleweight? No matter what kind of magical formula you create...he's going to lose points out of the deal...a loooooooot of points, and they'll be split up between the divisions. That's why the multiple division ranking idea needs to be thrown into the ol' bucket o' lost causes.
For the eternally difficult all-time pfp ratings. You have to decide what you want to use as a basis. Critera such as; length of career, ability to dominate a division, ability to dominate multiple divisions (however, you have to factor in the heavyweights, who can’t move divisions) spring to mind. Monty’s points about Hopkins seem quite valid. Why should Hopkins’s all-time ranking be penalized for fighting Adamek at 200lbs. Personally I’d be looking at the number of divisions that a boxer did well in (criteria open), and not what some editor assigned to a fighter for some other purpose (namely forcing an active fighter to be ranked in only division). Back up that with the quality of the peak of a fighter’s career (??? Max pts) and you got a start.
I think you're wrong about a boxer's assigned division being important. I think it should be HUGELY important. For example...Pacquiao moves up to heavyweight...knocks out both Klitschkos. According to the current system.....that's incredible. But according to Pacquiao's height, weight, body, reach, history...it's otherwordly. If Pacquiao then retired, was rated at say...130 lbs. and his all-time stats were "down-scaled" as I'm calling for...then his points would be off the damn charts...at least certainly hitting maximum for that year or years (which happens a little above 2000 ratings points last time I calculated it). The whole idea of pound for pound is that you're SUPPOSED to adjust a person's accomplishments based on his size. So figuring out where he naturally fit in is paramount here...
Another example. Let's say the champion of every weight class from straw to heavy are of equal value. I'm a new boxer. Little guy. Smallest of the small. 105 pounds. It takes me 13 fights but I get a fight at the champ. I knock out the strawweight champ. I move up to 108, KO him. I move up to 112, KO him. And on and on. I retire 30-0, with championships in all seventeen weight-classes. On Boxrec...I would have decent numbers. But in the boxing world I would be known as the greatest of all-time...hands down. Without question. Don't need to even think for one second about it.
The only way for the BoxRec computer to come to the same conclusion is if at the end of my illustrious career I am assigned as a straw-weight under P4P rankings that give benefits for fighting above your natural weight-class.
Henry Armstrong at #24 in welterweight is obviously a crime.
Well he's #15 under the current system. I'm sure you'd find that a crime too. But he fought over 2/3rds of his career UNDER welterweight...so it makes sense...perfect sense...that he wouldn't be regarded as highly at welter. He fought almost half of his career at featherweight for christ sake...not something that should benefit you...if at all...in "welterweight" ratings.
His is an interesting case though...where to stick him...seems he accomplished not all that much at featherweight...was at lightweight for a spell...and then accomplished a great deal at welter...but putting him there basically disregards points from half his career. In the P4P system tweaks I've proposed he would do a bit better...as all of his featherweight, lightweight and welterweight points would count in full (the 126 and 135 fights wouldn't be penalized).....although other boxers would still gain points for fights fought above their weight class (e.g. Hearns, Duran, the Light Heavyweight champs that beat Heavies, etc.)
In any event...if boxers were ranked in multiple weight-classes, I think Armstrong would be lucky to be ranked in the top 50 in anything...
Places like Japan have built up their own talent pools and for the most part, stay independent by not fighting the rest of the world's talent. They are probably good fighters, but no one has ever heard of them.giacomino wrote:Have a question on the light flyweight rankings that I haven't figured out even after reading how the point systems are done.
Ranked #13 is Ryo Miyazaki who is 9-0. He has beaten only one fighter with more than 10 wins (a 12-6 fighter) and has beaten no one who has ever been even a Japanese champion, let alone a regional or word champion. None of his opponents were highly ranked. Essentially, he's fought the typical fair for a young fighter in his first year or two in the sport.
He is somehow ranked two places ahead of Juan Carlos Reveco, who is 21-1, who won the WBA title by KO at home against an undefeated opponent two years ago, lost it on a close decision away in France against a highly rated opponent, then recently won the interim WBA title away in Mexico against another decent opponent.
Miyazaki is rated six places ahead of Cesar Canchilla, who is 28-2, split two fights in the past year with #4 ranked Giovanni Segura, and most recently Ko'd a 14-3 opponent who had a better record than anyone Miyazaki has faced.
I think I understand how the points systems work, but in this case, and in a few more in the light flyweight rankings, it makes no sense to me. This is one of several puzzling rankings in the lower weight classes
I think you've got to be right because the point totals for some Japanese fighters who fight only at the domestic level are amazingly high in the lower weight classificationsJCS wrote:Places like Japan have built up their own talent pools and for the most part, stay independent by not fighting the rest of the world's talent. They are probably good fighters, but no one has ever heard of them.giacomino wrote:Have a question on the light flyweight rankings that I haven't figured out even after reading how the point systems are done.
Ranked #13 is Ryo Miyazaki who is 9-0. He has beaten only one fighter with more than 10 wins (a 12-6 fighter) and has beaten no one who has ever been even a Japanese champion, let alone a regional or word champion. None of his opponents were highly ranked. Essentially, he's fought the typical fair for a young fighter in his first year or two in the sport.
He is somehow ranked two places ahead of Juan Carlos Reveco, who is 21-1, who won the WBA title by KO at home against an undefeated opponent two years ago, lost it on a close decision away in France against a highly rated opponent, then recently won the interim WBA title away in Mexico against another decent opponent.
Miyazaki is rated six places ahead of Cesar Canchilla, who is 28-2, split two fights in the past year with #4 ranked Giovanni Segura, and most recently Ko'd a 14-3 opponent who had a better record than anyone Miyazaki has faced.
I think I understand how the points systems work, but in this case, and in a few more in the light flyweight rankings, it makes no sense to me. This is one of several puzzling rankings in the lower weight classes
Its almost like countries such as Japan and South Africa have their own point totals.
Unfortunately, there's no good way to handle this.giacomino wrote: Places like Japan have built up their own talent pools and for the most part, stay independent by not fighting the rest of the world's talent. They are probably good fighters, but no one has ever heard of them.I think you've got to be right because the point totals for some Japanese fighters who fight only at the domestic level are amazingly high in the lower weight classificationsJCS wrote: Its almost like countries such as Japan and South Africa have their own point totals.
Of course, I agree with that.MontyCircus wrote:The long-reigning light heavyweight champion moves up to heavyweight and fights the heavyweight champion. They fight twice, each winning one a piece in two close bouts.
Which fighter is better pound for pound?
Correct Answer: The light heavyweight champion.
How anyone can disagree with that is beyond my comprehension. But somehow I'm sure you do. So I guess we'll agree to disagree on this 1+1=2 debate
So the light heavyweight champion won the first bout, lost the second but is rated higher ?Asterix wrote:Of course, I agree with that.MontyCircus wrote:The long-reigning light heavyweight champion moves up to heavyweight and fights the heavyweight champion. They fight twice, each winning one a piece in two close bouts.
Which fighter is better pound for pound?
Correct Answer: The light heavyweight champion.
How anyone can disagree with that is beyond my comprehension. But somehow I'm sure you do. So I guess we'll agree to disagree on this 1+1=2 debate
Nah, the light heavy won the second bout. ;;-)John wrote:So the light heavyweight champion won the first bout, lost the second but is rated higher ?Asterix wrote:Of course, I agree with that.MontyCircus wrote:The long-reigning light heavyweight champion moves up to heavyweight and fights the heavyweight champion. They fight twice, each winning one a piece in two close bouts.
Which fighter is better pound for pound?
Correct Answer: The light heavyweight champion.
How anyone can disagree with that is beyond my comprehension. But somehow I'm sure you do. So I guess we'll agree to disagree on this 1+1=2 debate
Question there is probably.. why was Vorapin so high?jujigatame wrote:I'd like to point out that Paipharob Por Nobnom is now the #5 flyweight despite being 1-0. I know the guy he KOed had just KOed Vorapin, but it's still a bit wacky. That's gotta be the highest a 1-0 fighter has ever been ranked before.
That's wicked.jujigatame wrote:I'd like to point out that Paipharob Por Nobnom is now the #5 flyweight despite being 1-0. I know the guy he KOed had just KOed Vorapin, but it's still a bit wacky. That's gotta be the highest a 1-0 fighter has ever been ranked before.
Conan,conan_the_cribber wrote:Hi Boxingranks,
Getting back to a previous point of mine, the algorithm for the number of stars that female matchups needs a work over. On Saturday, we have
Susi Kentikian vs Julia Sahin, which is a five star bout in the female boxing world. Undefeated and #1 ranked flyweight champ vs the undefeated (previous) jnr flyweight champ. Both fights have 20 wins on their record.
Ina Menzer vs Esther Schouten is a four bout in the female boxing world. Nr 1 ranked Menzer in a unification bout against Schouten.
Yet both of these bouts rank an unbelievably shitty 2 stars. Compare that to three star bouts on the men’s card….
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I know it’s a real minor code change to put a better number of stars for a women’s bout. How about implementing it.
Cheers
Conan
