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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 17:14
by kikibalt
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Once "The Follies" theatre . . .

In days gone by, when boxers would exit the Main street Gym, they would walk downstairs and out the front door to the sidewalk. As they walked out the door, if they looked directly across the street they would see and old Burlesque House, The Follies Theatre , which we have discussed here.

Today, this is the view across the street from where the Main Street Gym once stood. Today, The Follies Theatre and Johnny's Shrimp Boat are long gone. This building is what stands there now.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 17:16
by kikibalt
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Dempsey's Los Angeles Hotel . . .

Back in the 1920's, Jack Dempsey owned this hotel and named it "The Barbara Hotel". It's located in the MacArthur Park area of downtown L.A. on 6th St. near the corner of Alvarado. Today the area is one of the most dangerous in L.A. and with a lot of hard core gang and drug activity. Hard to tell today, but it was once a very popular place to stay in Los Angeles, expecially for the boxing and movie crowd. Today it is called the "Hotel Barbizon", and I don't know when the name changed. In due course, I will learn more history related to this legendary boxing landmark and share it here. Maybe some here can fill us in. I do know this, Dempsey was married to Estelle Taylor when he had the building, and Estelle did not like the fight crowd, especially Dempsey manager, Doc Kerns. Kerns had Dempsey put Baby Grand Pianos in all of the top floor suites. Whenever Kerns would romance a lady, he would generously give them a "BabyGrand" from Dempsey's hotel. If you study the "Knockout" magazines that Frank posts, you will occasionally see the hotel listed as the residence of many boxing personalities of the era, usually managers. Dempsey biography, "A Flame of Pure Fire" reveals many stories relating to the hotel.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 17:34
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:Image
Connie and I.
Don't remember where this picture was taken at, don't remember what year it was taken either.
I think I was slightly intoxicated.... :witzend: :KO:
Great photo Frank. You and Connie look happy. That's the way it's supposed to be. Yes, you do look a little intoxicated! :lol:

Randy :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 17:39
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:From the old Los Angeles Herald-Examiner
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I remember this fight very well. I was sitting with my father and uncle in the third row ringside, right below Mando's corner. It was a great fight and Mando was doing well. However, in the fifteenth and final round Palomino gave him a pretty bad whipping. When I saw Mando go down, I was saddened. I remember watching him walk by us as he left the ring. The disappointment on his face was clear. I thought, Maybe it's time for my friend to retire, he took a lot toward the end of the fight. However, there would be a rematch and Mando gave Palomino a tough fight before losing by decision.

Two Classic American West Coast Boxers, without question!


-Rick Farris
Rick, I have part of an article from the fight. I can't find the rest of it but this piece says a lot. You know Mando well. he's probably expressed to you at one time or another about how he felt. Was there ever a fighter, before or since, that had a bigger heart than Mando?

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 17:47
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:Image
Dempsey's Los Angeles Hotel . . .

Back in the 1920's, Jack Dempsey owned this hotel and named it "The Barbara Hotel". It's located in the MacArthur Park area of downtown L.A. on 6th St. near the corner of Alvarado. Today the area is one of the most dangerous in L.A. and with a lot of hard core gang and drug activity. Hard to tell today, but it was once a very popular place to stay in Los Angeles, expecially for the boxing and movie crowd. Today it is called the "Hotel Barbizon", and I don't know when the name changed. In due course, I will learn more history related to this legendary boxing landmark and share it here. Maybe some here can fill us in. I do know this, Dempsey was married to Estelle Taylor when he had the building, and Estelle did not like the fight crowd, especially Dempsey manager, Doc Kerns. Kerns had Dempsey put Baby Grand Pianos in all of the top floor suites. Whenever Kerns would romance a lady, he would generously give them a "BabyGrand" from Dempsey's hotel. If you study the "Knockout" magazines that Frank posts, you will occasionally see the hotel listed as the residence of many boxing personalities of the era, usually managers. Dempsey biography, "A Flame of Pure Fire" reveals many stories relating to the hotel.

-Rick Farris
Rick, thanks for posting this. I appreciate the effort you're making for this site and for L.A.'s Boxing history.

You are absolutely 100% right about it being a dangerous place. my cousin David Moreno was murdered there back in 1992. Shot point blank in the face. It was a drug deal gone wrong. yes, he was involved in drugs but he didn't deserve to die that way. He was a Viet Nam vet with two tours in Nam. After nam he never quite got his life back together.

I didn't mean to bring up such a depressing subject but I can never hear about MacArthur park without thinking about him. He lived down the street from me. We were more like brothers. He was a huge boxing fan.

Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 18:15
by kikibalt

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 18:16
by kikibalt
Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Connie and I.
Don't remember where this picture was taken at, don't remember what year it was taken either.
I think I was slightly intoxicated.... :witzend: :KO:
Great photo Frank. You and Connie look happy. That's the way it's supposed to be. Yes, you do look a little intoxicated! :lol:

Randy :TU:
Slightly intoxicated, Randy, slightly intoxicated.... :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 18:38
by Bobbin & Weavin
Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:More contemporary photos of legendary Southern Cal boxing sites . . .

In the future, I'll share a little piece of my old "stomping grounds", Burbank, California. In 1952, when I was born, Burbank was home to the "Jim Jeffries Barn", and a home that also belonged to the former heavyweight champ, cross corner from the barn at the intersection of Buena Vista St. & Victory Blvd.

If the barn was still in place, it would sit right in the front parking lot of a super market. Today you can find it at "Knott's Berry Farm", it's home since 1954. The house was razed shortly after the death of Jeffries, and today a gas station marks the spot.

Tom Ray can fill us in on the history of Jeffries, and in due course I'll provide some contemporary photos of the site.

Monica is my photographer, and we're having fun with this.


-Rick Farris
Here is a little bit. Not long after Jeff died, a permanent memorial was proposed when the San Fernando Valley Historical Society announced plans to purchase his home and turn it into a museum and meeting place for local civic groups. After years of discussion, the proposal failed when the group was unable to raise the $60,000 necessary to purchase the residence. The once beautiful house sat vacant for several years and eventually became an eyesore. It was finally condemned and demolished in February 1960 after it was damaged by arsonists.

As we all know, the famous “Jeffries Barn” faired better. Immediately after Jeffries’ death, a developer announced plans to buy the land, raze the barn, and construct an apartment complex on the site. Later, a hotel was suggested for the location, but ultimately the International Association of Machinists built a union hall there. I bet Rick remembers that hall. In 1954, the barn itself was moved board-by-board to the Knott’s Berry Farm amusement park in Buena Park, California. Although for many years it was operated as a boxing museum, the barn now houses a doll collection; only a small plaque in the back of the building identifies its association with the former world’s champion. As Rick said, a grocery store sits on the sit of the barn. Accross the street, at the location of Jeff's home, sits a strip mall.

Jeffries himself is now barely remembered in his adopted home town of Burbank. There is a “Jeffries Street” two blocks south from the site of his home, but his only real memorial is a small exhibit at the Burbank Historical Society Museum. According to the museum curator, nobody visits the museum just to look at the Jeffries exhibit (well, I did); it is only enjoyed as an aside by those who go there for another reason and are surprised that a world heavyweight champion once lived in Burbank. As a mentioned before, I have made some effort to get a state historical marker erected at Buena Vista and Victory, but I can't even get anybody in Sacramento to return my letters. A marker was installed in the sidewalk in front of Jeffries home on the occasion of his 75th birthday in 1950, but that marker vanished long ago, probably when they tore down the house in 1960.

Tom . . . I attended Junior High School in Burbank that was located two blocks from the corner of Victory & Buena Vista, on "Jeffries Street". The Union Hall you described has been razed itself, and today only a Super Market occupies the spot. The Union Hall had it's own grim hisotry. In 1969, a disgruntled union member came into the office and opened fire on several union officals after being laid off on a job. At the time, I just happened to be in the emergency room of St. Joseph's Hospital waiting for my cousin who had cut his finger in an accident. As I waited for my cousin, the two slain union officials were wheeled in, and it was pretty easy to tell they were "DOA". Later I would learn what happened to them on the news.

Your efforts to have a memorial placed on the site is one that should be honored. Jeff was a huge part of early Burbank's history. Prior to WW2, Jeffries Barn featured amateur bouts every week that filled the barn with many motion picture stars who resided in the growing San Fernanado Valley. The most successful promoters were Art and Babe Martell.

My friend Karl Nelson told me that Jeffries would often referee the bouts and on one night a group of drunk football players got out of line at ringside and were stupid enough to resist Jeffries efforts to eject them peacefully. One took a shot a Jeff, who in trun KO'ed all five men, literally stacking their bodies on the floor before dragging them outside.

One of Jeff's most successful amateurs, Gene "Spider" Mock, worked for years as a studio laborer. Spider had the best Jim Jeffries Barn stories of anybody I knew. What great history. amazing that of all the boxing figures that live in Southern Cal, nobody has put for the effort you have to honor the site.

For that I'd like to say, thanks Tom.


-Rick Farris
Rick,
Do you think there is anything the WBHOF can do as a group, maybe start a letter campaign or contact some of the elected officials in the area and bend their ear a little.
Bruce

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 19:09
by kikibalt

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 20:34
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Image
Dempsey's Los Angeles Hotel . . .

Back in the 1920's, Jack Dempsey owned this hotel and named it "The Barbara Hotel". It's located in the MacArthur Park area of downtown L.A. on 6th St. near the corner of Alvarado. Today the area is one of the most dangerous in L.A. and with a lot of hard core gang and drug activity. Hard to tell today, but it was once a very popular place to stay in Los Angeles, expecially for the boxing and movie crowd. Today it is called the "Hotel Barbizon", and I don't know when the name changed. In due course, I will learn more history related to this legendary boxing landmark and share it here. Maybe some here can fill us in. I do know this, Dempsey was married to Estelle Taylor when he had the building, and Estelle did not like the fight crowd, especially Dempsey manager, Doc Kerns. Kerns had Dempsey put Baby Grand Pianos in all of the top floor suites. Whenever Kerns would romance a lady, he would generously give them a "BabyGrand" from Dempsey's hotel. If you study the "Knockout" magazines that Frank posts, you will occasionally see the hotel listed as the residence of many boxing personalities of the era, usually managers. Dempsey biography, "A Flame of Pure Fire" reveals many stories relating to the hotel.

-Rick Farris
Sorry guys, but this photo is obviously not Jack Dempsey's former hotel. This a mural painted on a parking structure about 1/2 block from the old "Hollywood Legion Stadium. I sent Frank the wrong photo and wll try again later.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 20:50
by Rick Farris
Rick,
Do you think there is anything the WBHOF can do as a group, maybe start a letter campaign or contact some of the elected officials in the area and bend their ear a little.
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The problem with Burbank . . .

Bruce . . . Your idea is a good one, but the City of Burbank is interested in nothing more than the massive revenue it receives from the movie studios located within it's borders: Warner Brothers Studio, Walt Disney Studio, Universal Studios, NBC Studios (home of the "Tonight Show".) and other smaller film complexes. The movie industry has never been based in Hollywood (except for "Paramount Pictures" and years ago "Columbia"). The majority of film studios are in Burbank, with Sony Studios (the former MGM lot) in Culver City, and "20th Century Fox" in Century City.

The WBHOF is fighting to keep it's head above water and must focus on honoring boxers thru our annual banquet, fund raisers and eventual museum. Once those issues are in order, then perhaps we can focus on projects such as you suggested. I am very familiar with the Burbank City Government, or the "People's Republic of Burbank", as we in the film industry refer to it. Whenever the Burbank City Council is petitioned for such projects their first question is, "How much money will we make from it?" If you are speaking in numbers less than seven figures, they are not interested and have no problem reflecting rude behavior. Nothing is more repulsive to me than the attitudes and behavior of Burbank City officials.

Today, I drove to the former site of Jeffries' home & barn. I took photos which I will share here tomorrow, including a little photo of the "Jeffries Ave." street sign. Even buildings that followed the clearing of Jeffries properties have been torn down, such as the Machinists Union Hall, that Tom mentioned. Today a "Ralph's" supermarket and "CVS Drug Store" occupy the lot. On the opposite corner, a "76 Gas Station" and a "99 cents store" occupy the property where his home once was.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 22:45
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Image
Dempsey's Los Angeles Hotel . . .

Back in the 1920's, Jack Dempsey owned this hotel and named it "The Barbara Hotel". It's located in the MacArthur Park area of downtown L.A. on 6th St. near the corner of Alvarado. Today the area is one of the most dangerous in L.A. and with a lot of hard core gang and drug activity. Hard to tell today, but it was once a very popular place to stay in Los Angeles, expecially for the boxing and movie crowd. Today it is called the "Hotel Barbizon", and I don't know when the name changed. In due course, I will learn more history related to this legendary boxing landmark and share it here. Maybe some here can fill us in. I do know this, Dempsey was married to Estelle Taylor when he had the building, and Estelle did not like the fight crowd, especially Dempsey manager, Doc Kerns. Kerns had Dempsey put Baby Grand Pianos in all of the top floor suites. Whenever Kerns would romance a lady, he would generously give them a "BabyGrand" from Dempsey's hotel. If you study the "Knockout" magazines that Frank posts, you will occasionally see the hotel listed as the residence of many boxing personalities of the era, usually managers. Dempsey biography, "A Flame of Pure Fire" reveals many stories relating to the hotel.

-Rick Farris
Note to our good friend, Frank. Thanks for posting the photos I send you, and then taking the time to re-post this one, after I put the caption below with the wrong photo. After all the photos, paintings, magazines, personal strories and history you have taken the time to give to us, I regret wasting your time with my mistakes. Thanks again.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 22:47
by kikibalt
Even the Irish like him

Moneygall, Ireland: A village of Obama family-tree huggers

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James Baer / For The Times
A shop in the sleepy Irish village of Moneygall, the hometown of one of President Obama's long-ago ancestors on his mother's side, tries a little promotion based on its most famous descendant.
The president's great-great-great-grandfather emigrated from the speck on the Irish map, and residents couldn't be prouder.

By Henry Chu

Reporting from Moneygall, Ireland -- Until recently, Moneygall's most famous son wasn't even human. It was a horse, Papillon, who streaked to the title as a long shot in a nail-biter at Britain's prestigious Grand National race in 2000.

But for months now, the modest sign marking Papillon's achievement has been muscled aside by pictures celebrating the new hero in this tiny pit stop on the Dublin-to-Limerick road: President Obama -- or, as they like to call him here, Barack O'Bama.

An out-of-the-blue call from the United States, some yellowing church records and an iPhone-toting priest have earned bragging rights for Moneygall as the "ancestral home" -- one of them, anyway -- of the leader of the free world.

How the family connection came about is the quintessential story of America as a nation of immigrants and Ireland as a land that supplied them, including Obama's great-great-great-granddaddy on his mother's side, a cobbler from Moneygall. How the tie was unearthed more than 100 years later and how news of it spread across the globe is a testament to 21st century instant communication, Obama's star power in Europe and the natural gregariousness of the Irish.

Since the discovery of its link to Obama a little less than two years ago, Moneygall (population 298) has been catapulted out of its sleepy backwater and into the international spotlight.

Camera crews from distant countries flocked to the village during the U.S. presidential race, eager to capture reaction at the neighborhood pub, between pints of Guinness, to Obama's primary and election victories. "There's No One as Irish as Barack Obama," an infectious song by a Limerick-based band, became a YouTube sensation and landed the group a recording contract.

Moneygall's merchants, including the glazier and a plumbing company, have happily seized the opportunity for some self-promotion, plastering Obama's face on their ads. Tourists from France and Germany have stopped by to pay their respects. A politician, meanwhile, wants to erect an Obama heritage center.

It's the most attention ever lavished on the village, where you can find two pubs, a small general store, an ice cream vendor, a car dealership and a single traffic signal, if you don't blink. A cluster of neat if nondescript stucco houses lines the Dublin-Limerick highway. Larger homes dot the sprawling countryside behind, in what residents refer to as "the hinterland."

Many of the visitors knock on the door of Henry Healy Jr., 24, the genial spokesman of Obama's current-day Irish kin. According to local records, Healy's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-aunt was Obama's great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother.

"So there's a definitive blood link between our family and Barack Obama. It makes me an eighth cousin," declared Healy, a full-blooded Irishman with brown hair and blue eyes.

"The resemblance is uncanny," his friend Stephen Neill added.

"Uncanny," agreed Healy.

Neill, 39, a Protestant rector of the Church of Ireland, played a key role in establishing Moneygall's contribution to Obama's existence and propelling the community to worldwide fame. For that, he was praised in the Obama song as a "great man of God," although the endorsement doesn't appear yet on his resume.

In April 2007, an e-mail popped up in Neill's inbox from someone with Ancestry.com, a genealogical research firm in Utah, requesting information potentially buried somewhere in the archives of Neill's parish. The e-mail didn't mention Obama, and Neill, who receives such inquiries not infrequently, let it sit.

But the researcher followed up with a phone call explaining that his interest in the Kearneys, a family from the old Templeharry parish, was part of an attempt to draw Obama's family tree. Neill, who had read Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope," was hooked.

From a parishioner's home, he retrieved a set of tattered ledgers and began thumbing through lists of baptisms, marriages and deaths dating back to 1799, recorded in the old-fashioned, spiky handwriting of the time. Within a couple of hours, he had located entries that confirmed the presence of a couple named Joseph and Phoebe Kearney (variously spelled Karney, Kearny and Carny).

Cobblers by trade, the Kearneys lived in Moneygall, and stuck it out in the village through the worst of Ireland's devastating potato famines of the 1840s.

"Their family would've been better off than most," Neill said. "They had a good trade as shoemakers. One of the family was on the famine relief committee."

But in 1850, the Kearneys' second son, Fulmouth, then about 20, decided to join the millions of Irish who were quitting the Emerald Isle in search of better lives elsewhere. Fulmouth's decision changed the family's history -- and America's. The rest of the Kearneys followed him to the U.S., and four generations later, his great-great-granddaughter Ann Dunham married Barack Hussein Obama Sr.

Ancestry.com asked Neill to keep the findings to himself for a few weeks while they verified everything. Then the company went public.

So did Moneygall -- big time.

"The media just descended on us. It was extraordinary," said Neill, who gave dozens of interviews on the first day alone. "By the end of the day I was absolutely exhausted."

Healy's affable face, too, was beamed all over the world during his off hours from work as a bookkeeper at a nearby plumbing company.

After that, every Obama milestone -- his run of primary victories, his acceptance of the Democratic nomination, his election day triumph -- drew more attention to Moneygall, until the satellite trucks (as well as a few enterprising chips vans) were reliable fixtures outside the village's two pubs on important campaign days. One of the pubs, the Ollie Hayes, now flies an American flag out front.

When Obama himself remarked in a speech that he'd like to visit Moneygall one day and raise a pint, the place went wild.

"There was more interest in the American election than there has been in local elections," Healy said.

Obama is not the first U.S. president to be embraced by the Irish. John F. Kennedy was looked on as practically a native son, and the village of Ballyporeen, in County Tipperary, cashed in on its status as the hometown of Ronald Reagan's great-grandfather.

But Obama's popularity in Ireland, and other parts of Europe, approaches rock-star heights, remarkably so for a politician who was a virtual unknown here until a couple of years ago.

Gerard, Brian and Donncha Corrigan, three musical brothers fortunate enough to have day jobs, found Obama so inspiring that they sat down and wrote "There's No One as Irish as Barack Obama" in 20 minutes.

Its lyrics will win no awards in the land of Joyce and Yeats ("He's as Irish as bacon and cabbage and stew / He's Hawaiian, he's Kenyan, American too"), and "Barack" is pronounced like a building that houses soldiers.

But the Corrigans' homemade video on YouTube went from 25 hits in the beginning -- which the brothers acknowledge were mostly their own -- to millions from around the world. It won them a recording deal with Universal, which rush-released their hit song (digital sales at 5,000 so far), but insisted that they ditch their band's longtime name: Hardy Drew and the Nancy Boys.

"Brian agonized terribly over it. We threatened to fire him, so he's not so much anymore," said Gerard Corrigan, the front man for the group, which has been rechristened, much less amusingly, as the Corrigan Brothers.

In January, the Corrigans, Neill and Healy attended Obama's inauguration in Washington at the invitation of the American Ireland Fund. Alas, there was no tearful reunion between Healy and his long-lost cousin, who seemed rather busy.

As for the future, a county official has proposed that some sort of heritage center be built in Moneygall on the plot of land once occupied by Obama's forebears. But no one is quite sure what would go in it -- an exhibition on local history or Irish emigration, perhaps, or a shop re-creating the old family business: "Obama Shoes," Healy said.

For now, Moneygall is content to bask in the reflected glory of its most famous descendant -- sorry, Papillon -- and to watch how he performs as the most powerful man in the world.

"It's wonderful to see somebody who inspires people and gets the best out of people," Neill said. "He helps people lift themselves beyond their circumstances."

And maybe entire villages as well.

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 12 Mar 2009, 23:17
by raylawpc
Rick Farris wrote:Rick,
Do you think there is anything the WBHOF can do as a group, maybe start a letter campaign or contact some of the elected officials in the area and bend their ear a little.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

The problem with Burbank . . .

Bruce . . . Your idea is a good one, but the City of Burbank is interested in nothing more than the massive revenue it receives from the movie studios located within it's borders: Warner Brothers Studio, Walt Disney Studio, Universal Studios, NBC Studios (home of the "Tonight Show".) and other smaller film complexes. The movie industry has never been based in Hollywood (except for "Paramount Pictures" and years ago "Columbia"). The majority of film studios are in Burbank, with Sony Studios (the former MGM lot) in Culver City, and "20th Century Fox" in Century City.

The WBHOF is fighting to keep it's head above water and must focus on honoring boxers thru our annual banquet, fund raisers and eventual museum. Once those issues are in order, then perhaps we can focus on projects such as you suggested. I am very familiar with the Burbank City Government, or the "People's Republic of Burbank", as we in the film industry refer to it. Whenever the Burbank City Council is petitioned for such projects their first question is, "How much money will we make from it?" If you are speaking in numbers less than seven figures, they are not interested and have no problem reflecting rude behavior. Nothing is more repulsive to me than the attitudes and behavior of Burbank City officials.

Today, I drove to the former site of Jeffries' home & barn. I took photos which I will share here tomorrow, including a little photo of the "Jeffries Ave." street sign. Even buildings that followed the clearing of Jeffries properties have been torn down, such as the Machinists Union Hall, that Tom mentioned. Today a "Ralph's" supermarket and "CVS Drug Store" occupy the lot. On the opposite corner, a "76 Gas Station" and a "99 cents store" occupy the property where his home once was.

-Rick
I am told by a long-time resident of Burbank (the lady who is curator of the Burbank museum, but whose name suddenly escapes me) that the home was located on the SE corner of Buena Vista and Victory, not at the NE corner, where the 76 gas station is located. A plat I saw of the land at the Los Angeles County Record of Deeds seemed to confirm this, but I could be wrong or I am misremembering.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 00:03
by Rick Farris
raylawpc wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Rick,
Do you think there is anything the WBHOF can do as a group, maybe start a letter campaign or contact some of the elected officials in the area and bend their ear a little.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

The problem with Burbank . . .

Bruce . . . Your idea is a good one, but the City of Burbank is interested in nothing more than the massive revenue it receives from the movie studios located within it's borders: Warner Brothers Studio, Walt Disney Studio, Universal Studios, NBC Studios (home of the "Tonight Show".) and other smaller film complexes. The movie industry has never been based in Hollywood (except for "Paramount Pictures" and years ago "Columbia"). The majority of film studios are in Burbank, with Sony Studios (the former MGM lot) in Culver City, and "20th Century Fox" in Century City.

The WBHOF is fighting to keep it's head above water and must focus on honoring boxers thru our annual banquet, fund raisers and eventual museum. Once those issues are in order, then perhaps we can focus on projects such as you suggested. I am very familiar with the Burbank City Government, or the "People's Republic of Burbank", as we in the film industry refer to it. Whenever the Burbank City Council is petitioned for such projects their first question is, "How much money will we make from it?" If you are speaking in numbers less than seven figures, they are not interested and have no problem reflecting rude behavior. Nothing is more repulsive to me than the attitudes and behavior of Burbank City officials.

Today, I drove to the former site of Jeffries' home & barn. I took photos which I will share here tomorrow, including a little photo of the "Jeffries Ave." street sign. Even buildings that followed the clearing of Jeffries properties have been torn down, such as the Machinists Union Hall, that Tom mentioned. Today a "Ralph's" supermarket and "CVS Drug Store" occupy the lot. On the opposite corner, a "76 Gas Station" and a "99 cents store" occupy the property where his home once was.

-Rick
I am told by a long-time resident of Burbank that the home was located on the SE corner of Buena Vista and Victory, not at the NE corner, where the 76 gas station is located. A plat I saw of the land at the Los Angeles County Record of Deeds seemed to confirm this, but I could be wrong.
Tom . . . I was a child when Jeffries' home was torn down. I never saw it and didn't see the barn until I visited Knott's Berry Farm. It was my grandfather who pointed to the N/E corner and told me that was where Jeff's house was. He spent a lot of time at Jeffries Barn watching amateur bouts back in the day. He also lived roughly six blocks from the intersection for nealry half a century, and knew boxing. Like you, my Grandfather was born in Oklahoma, but lived in Burbank from 1921 to his death in 1968, 47 years. That is also the intersection where Jeffries wife died after being struck by a car, crossing the street walking between the barn and the home. Maybe he pointed to one corner and I mistakenly thought he was referring to the other?

The barn was without question on the S/W corner. The strip mall you mentioned on the S/E corner is where my future first wife managed a "Jack LaLanne's Health Spa" in the early 70's. Ironically, Monica and I ate lunch at a Quizno's Sandwich Shop in that strip mall today. I'll get the photos to Frank tomorrow, I don't want to send too many at one time. I will shoot the strip mall location and post it as well, just in case I am wrong, I'll cover myself with the other photo.

In addition to the City of Burbank ignoring it's history, as adopted home to a legendary heavyweight champ, Knott's Berry Farm is just as bad. When I was kid, there used to be a small boxing museum inside the barn, in what once might have been a tack or dressing room area. There was also a historian, who would talk boxing with the visitors. That ended forty years ago when the historian died. Today, the only thing relating the barn to Jim Jeffries is a brass plaque tacked to one of the walls outside, and it is not in plain view. All the plaque says is- "Jim Jeffries Barn- Historical Landmark". It does not note who Jeffries was and most might believe that he was a farmer or cowboy. At the time, the barn housed a collection of Japanses dolls. Nothing related to boxing.

I believe that pressure should be put on Knott's to clarify who the champ was, and put up up some boxing history that relates. Japanese dolls? Jeff is either rolling in his grave or having one helluva laugh.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 00:13
by dagosd2000
THE JAB

When Luis Rodriguez came to San Diego to train for his fight the Mexican Middle Weight Champ Rafael Gutierrez, the sand was draining out of his hour glass. He'd been climbing in and out of a ring amateur and pro for almost twenty years. He had put on poundage to fight middle weights though his frame still looked welter. Seeing the old Cuban train in sunny San Diego looked peculiar. Even though San Diego is a spin up the freeway from Mexico,Louie seemed not at home at all. Besides, his opponent was Mexican. The crowd that would attend the fight at the Sports Arena wouldn't be cheering for the Cuban.

Both arrived at the Stardust Hotel two weeks prior. They were training down. Angelo showed up. He was the Rah Rah guy in Rodriguez's camp. He didn't teach Louie how to fight. Besides showmanship,I often wondered what role Angelo had with the Cubans. Mantequilla,Sugar Ramos,and El Feo.

Louie wasn't comfortable in San Diego. He didn't know anyone. Jose Napoles came to visit. He seemed to be his only compadre. Rodriguez was also frustrated with the caliber of sparring partners. Some of them didn't want Louie to mix it with them. One of them,a local middle weight Johnny Wise,didn't want Louie to hit him in the face. Rodriguez got upset with him and told him in abrusive Spanish to put on his head gear and shut up. I remember Louie doubled him up with a shot to the solar plexus.Talk about rubbing it in.

I was mesmerized how skilled the old Cuban was inside the ropes. Everything came of his jab. His defense was his jab. His offense. Combinations flowed after he jumped his left in his opponent's face. He'd finish his body attack and his bolo punches with a left hand to the face. He'd break an easy sweat. He never looked to be happy while he was in San Diego.

The fight was very tough for him. He was not a big middle weight.Rafa was the stronger fighter. Gutierrez was ahead in the fight, when in the sixth frame Louie feignted with his jab and then hooked off it. A one punch knock out.

Oh yeh. Sometimes he didn't even have to throw that jab to get the results he wanted.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 00:22
by dagosd2000

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 00:31
by dagosd2000
Image

Luis Rodriguez

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 00:37
by Rick Farris
dagosd2000 wrote:THE JAB

When Luis Rodriguez came to San Diego to train for his fight the Mexican Middle Weight Champ Rafael Gutierrez, the sand was draining out of his hour glass. He'd been climbing in and out of a ring amateur and pro for almost twenty years. He had put on poundage to fight middle weights though his frame still looked welter. Seeing the old Cuban train in sunny San Diego looked peculiar. Even though San Diego is a spin up the freeway from Mexico,Louie seemed not at home at all. Besides, his opponent was Mexican. The crowd that would attend the fight at the Sports Arena wouldn't be cheering for the Cuban.

Both arrived at the Stardust Hotel two weeks prior. They were training down. Angelo showed up. He was the Rah Rah guy in Rodriguez's camp. He didn't teach Louie how to fight. Besides showmanship,I often wondered what role Angelo had with the Cubans. Mantequilla,Sugar Ramos,and El Feo.

Louie wasn't comfortable in San Diego. He didn't know anyone. Jose Napoles came to visit. He seemed to be his only compadre. Rodriguez was also frustrated with the caliber of sparring partners. Some of them didn't want Louie to mix it with them. One of them,a local middle weight Johnny Wise,didn't want Louie to hit him in the face. Rodriguez got upset with him and told him in abrusive Spanish to put on his head gear and shut up. I remember Louie doubled him up with a shot to the solar plexus.Talk about rubbing it in.

I was mesmerized how skilled the old Cuban was inside the ropes. Everything came of his jab. His defense was his jab. His offense. Combinations flowed after he jumped his left in his opponent's face. He'd finish his body attack and his bolo punches with a left hand to the face. He'd break an easy sweat. He never looked to be happy while he was in San Diego.

The fight was very tough for him. He was not a big middle weight.Rafa was the stronger fighter. Gutierrez was ahead in the fight, when in the sixth frame Louie feignted with his jab and then hooked off it. A one punch knock out.

Oh yeh. Sometimes he didn't even have to throw that jab to get the results he wanted.
Crap in the box . . .

Another good one, Roger. I'm happy you pointed out that Angelo Dundee didn't teach Luis Rodriguez, or any of the Cubans. Dundee has his strong points, he's good in the corner. He's confident, organized, can stop minor bleeding if he has to, and can be a good motivator. He's also good with the press who have labeled hima great trainer, due to his place in Ali's camp, as well as the Cubans and Sugar Ray Leonard.

He was Miami promoter Chris Dundee's younger brother, that was his connection. That's how he hooked up with the Cuban's and Ali.

Leonard's trainer was Janks Morton. Dundee would come to camp a few days before a fight to shmooze the press, Leonard's attempt to link his image to the greatness of Ali. Dundee was paid a flat rate, a good payday for sure, but not a standard percentage.

Boxing people that I have known, top boxing men, don't consider Angelo a trainer or a teacher. I have often used an expression to describe trainers who are incompetent teachers, it was one I heard a top trainer use in reference to Dundee:

"He couldn't teach a cat to crap in a box."


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 00:38
by Rick Farris
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Luis Rodriguez
Yes! :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 02:01
by Rick Farris
A Jim Jeffries note . . .

My grandfather, as I mentioned in a previous post, taught me of Jim Jeffries place in Burbank history. Before WW2, his oldest son (my uncle, Bob) trained as an amateur boxer at Jeffries Barn for just over a year, then joined the Army Air Corp. at the outbreak of the war.

I was told of the death of Jeffries wife, after being hit by a car at the intersection between the barn and their home. I didn't know the year of her death until Tom Ray gave me the date earlier in this thread. I thought it was closer to the champs death in the 50's.

I remember both my Grandparents telling me of seeing Jim Jeffries around town thru the years. They both commented on how his look deteriorated in the years following his wife's death. He was a big man and usually was seen wearing a big cowboy hat. Burbank's City Hall and downtown area is located just below the foothills on San Fernando Road. It was here my grandmother saw Jeffries shopping or in the Bank of America branch where he and my family banked. My family did not know Jim Jeffries, but my grandfather said you could see he was different after the death of his wife, of course.

That's about it. You can bet that with my love of boxing, as a kid, that I grilled my grandparents on every detail of their knowledge of Jim Jeffries. However, this is about all they had to say. Back then, people still knew who Jim Jeffries was in Burbank, even those who were not boxing fans. Today, even boxing fans don't know who he is, let alone Burbank residents. Damn, I never gave it much thought, but this is wrong.

I wonder if in a half century from today, how many boxing fans will know the name, Joe Frazier?? Some will know the name "Ali", as they do Jack Johnson today. But what about Frazier or Foreman? It's OK to forget today's heavyweights because they can't fight, but Frazier and Foreman???

Think about it.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 02:33
by Rick Farris
Roger . . .

I remember Johnny Wise, who you mentioned in the Luis Rodriguez story. Johnnie Flores had my stablemate, Bobby Rye, matched with him in Ventura. Bobby was coming off a couple of losses and had cut in his last bout. I actually remember Johnny telling Rye that he had just lined up a match for him with Johnny Wise. Flores told us that Wise was just a tune-up for Bobby, "He's a bum!" :lol:

And Johnny was right. The "Bum" didn't show up for the weigh-in.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 02:47
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Image
Once "The Follies" theatre . . .

In days gone by, when boxers would exit the Main street Gym, they would walk downstairs and out the front door to the sidewalk. As they walked out the door, if they looked directly across the street they would see and old Burlesque House, The Follies Theatre , which we have discussed here.

Today, this is the view across the street from where the Main Street Gym once stood. Today, The Follies Theatre and Johnny's Shrimp Boat are long gone. This building is what stands there now.
Side Note . . . This is the location of the "original" Main St. Gym, which burned down in 1951. Later, the gym we knew took residence across the street in a building that was once, "The Adolphus Theatre". I believe that the "original" Main St. Gym was run by Willie Orner? Anybody have any memories?

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 02:58
by Rick Farris
Thoughts about our history . . .

It's great to remember how "things used to be". However, I'm not so sure about posting pictures of how things are today. When I photographed the Hollywood Legion Building, I thought to myself, "Hap is going to get a kick out of seeing this". That was my intention.

To be honest, I felt saddened to see today's version of this special landmark. Same when I drove down Main Street, and even today when I returned to my hometown to photograph the Jeffries site.

I felt hurt by the change and I wish to share my regret if stirring up these memories of days gone by, cherished memories, made anybody else feel badly. I truly care for EVERYONE of you who post here.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 04:13
by bennie
scartissue wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Also on the Khan-Barrera show in Manchester, Dagenham stylist Nicky Cook makes the first defence of his WBO super-featherweight title against Puerto Rican threat Roman Martinez.
It is a mandatory defence.
The gritty, clever, stiff-punching Cook wrested the title with a shock but unanimous decision over Edinburgh puncher Alex Arthur last September in Manchester. After nine worthy years at featherweight, 29-year-old Nicky proved a revelation at super-featherweight as he outworked a flat-looking Arthur and finished much the stronger of the two. Some fighters really struggle when they move up in weight; other fighters make it look easy. Cook made it look easy. Sure, everyone said Arthur was dead at the weight but they had been saying that for years. "Amazing" Alex went into the Cook defence on a long winning run.
"Rocky" Martinez is unbeaten in 22 fights (one draw) since turning pro in December 2001 and earned his ranking when he came through 12-round wars with Dominican warriors Francisco Lorenzo and Daniel Jimenez in 2007. He ticked over with four wins last year and looks like a great prospect at 25 - sharp, talented and quite heavy handed. Like Nicky he has plenty of height and reach for his weight. The draw on his record came in 2003 in Miami with a Colombian by the name of Jose Leonardo Cruz, 9-0 at the time, who never went on to achieve anything, although you cannot sniff at 9-0.
You know, Martinez has NEVER fought outside of America or Puerto Rico and might be a little inexperienced on the world scene. He failed to stop lanky Colombian southpaw Walter Estrada over 10 rounds in December, a man our own Kevin Mitchell (Nicky's sparmate) had caught up with in five rounds earlier last year. Cook, in contrast, has lost only to slick American southpaw Steven Luevano in 30 outings, the current WBO featherweight champion, and held British, Commonwealth and European featherweight titles in his time. He enjoys a real edge in seasoning, and home advantage, of course, and super-featherweight suits him.
Cook boxes and punches his way to a close, hard-earned decision.

Bennie, regarding Roman Martinez, I have only seen him fight once but with what I saw I was VERY impressed with him. He has a beautiful jab, he has a sharp punch, he likes to go to the body and he is not afraid of infighting. I thought at the time that he could do it all and tapped him as an outstanding prospect. If I saw any faults it was that his beautiful jab maybe slightly under-utilized and that he got stunned once in the fight but shimmied, ducked, dodged and clinched his way 'til his head cleared and got right back on track. I've been following him and been wanting him to take the next step against a contender, but then heard he's going for a title against Cook. I think he needs a little more seasoning but he's going to give Cook a fight and won't be surprised if an upset occurs. Either way, glad to see his handlers aren't letting moss grow under him against soft opposition.

Scartissue



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Spot on, Dan. Martinez is a real threat to Cook and his short reign, and F rank Warren (Cook's promoter) has done his job in getting the challenger over here. A win for Martinez would not surprise me in the least, but at home, Cook has a much better shout.