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Forgot he was champ first.

p4p1 wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I've been a longtime Aldo fan, even before wec and I'm of the complete opposite view. I'm sick of him whining. Get off your ass and make it happen. A rematch of a 13 second ko is a hard sell.

I don't think it's too hard to sell. Getting sparked that early doesn't paint a picture of what a rematch would look like. Similar thing happened with Cain/JDS, with the exception that Cain was not the champ. With Aldo having been the long time champ, the only FW champ the UFC has ever had, I find it unfair that they did not grant him an immediate rematch. I understand why the did not, but it doesn't make it any less wrong. Imagine had they done something like that with other long reigning champions like GSP or Silva.

Cain was champ when JDS knocked him out. Remember there was a massive issue because it was their debut on dos and the UFC decided just to show the HW title fight in an hour long spot. The fight ended in 64 seconds and was a major eff up for their first show on fox.

The thing with Aldo is he has been promised a rematch twice. 1st time was after McGregor lost to Diaz, Aldo was due to have his rematch at 200 before McGregor threw his toys out of the pram. The second time he was promised his rematch if he beat Edgar for the interim belt which again he didn't get despite earning it(in arguably a career best performance). Then things are bought up like how he turned down the McGregor rematch on 10 days notice at 155 with no belt on the line having been only a few days clear of a medical suspension. Its not the first time he has been thrown under the bus by the UFC.

I wrote a blog pleading for hendo/rua to be the first fox main event after the deal was announced. Somebody shared it with hendo and he said let's do it. Not that it had anything to do with me, still cool.mcgregor definitely should have been stripped when he took the Diaz rematch. Aldo was an inactive champion, how many times did he go 6 months without defending his title?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: I don't think it's too hard to sell. Getting sparked that early doesn't paint a picture of what a rematch would look like. Similar thing happened with Cain/JDS, with the exception that Cain was not the champ. With Aldo having been the long time champ, the only FW champ the UFC has ever had, I find it unfair that they did not grant him an immediate rematch. I understand why the did not, but it doesn't make it any less wrong. Imagine had they done something like that with other long reigning champions like GSP or Silva.

Cain was champ when JDS knocked him out. Remember there was a massive issue because it was their debut on dos and the UFC decided just to show the HW title fight in an hour long spot. The fight ended in 64 seconds and was a major eff up for their first show on fox.

The thing with Aldo is he has been promised a rematch twice. 1st time was after McGregor lost to Diaz, Aldo was due to have his rematch at 200 before McGregor threw his toys out of the pram. The second time he was promised his rematch if he beat Edgar for the interim belt which again he didn't get despite earning it(in arguably a career best performance). Then things are bought up like how he turned down the McGregor rematch on 10 days notice at 155 with no belt on the line having been only a few days clear of a medical suspension. Its not the first time he has been thrown under the bus by the UFC.

I wrote a blog pleading for hendo/rua to be the first fox main event after the deal was announced. Somebody shared it with hendo and he said let's do it. Not that it had anything to do with me, still cool.mcgregor definitely should have been stripped when he took the Diaz rematch. Aldo was an inactive champion, how many times did he go 6 months without defending his title?

Hes definitely injury prone but when healthy always defended. 3x in all but I'm not sure all were completely his fault his last long lay off before he pulled out of the McGregor fight wasn't due to injury or not wanting to fight and he had another long lay off where he had pullouts from opponents, changes of opponents and I wouldn't be surprise during if he pulled out himself during that stretch either.

I get he wasn't the most active champ and there was never a guarantee he wouldn't get injured but he still cleaned his division. Even now Halloway is the only guy left for him to fight after that he is faced with a pointless rematch or someone who doesn't deserve it.

He's one of the goat, just saying McGregor is much more active and I think that should be taken into consideration when complaints are offered. I understand his anger, but he's not the only one. It's combat sports, Christ khabib had a contract in front of him. I feel much worse for him. He shoukd just move up after max, though if Cruz beats Cody and is interested that would be highly interesting..

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He's one of the goat, just saying McGregor is much more active and I think that should be taken into consideration when complaints are offered. I understand his anger, but he's not the only one. It's combat sports, Christ khabib had a contract in front of him. I feel much worse for him. He shoukd just move up after max, though if Cruz beats Cody and is interested that would be highly interesting..

One of the most impressive things about McGregor is his activity. I think it's probably one of the reasons why he looked so sharp against Alvarez. I don't completely understand why mores guys aren't as active though, you've got a short window to make money make as much as possible. Most of them are in the gym everyday anyway.

The Khabib contract thing is worse because it was never a legit contract and only a ploy to force McGregor into signing his contract. Not that being promised a rematch isn't bad but being used as a pawn for negotiations is demeaning.

I read he is saying he will move up. I'm actually excited, I doubt he will be as dominant at 155 though there's still a lot of exciting fights for him with the top 5 guys. Khabib, Ferguson and McGregor are IMO the only guys he might struggle against.

He should try and get Nate. Didn't even think about it, that's his best path to the rematch(though I think Nate gets conor next), he'd dismantle Diaz with leg kicks in front of a big viewing audience and maybe drum up some serious public demand. Of which I've seen none.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He should try and get Nate. Didn't even think about it, that's his best path to the rematch(though I think Nate gets conor next), he'd dismantle Diaz with leg kicks in front of a big viewing audience and maybe drum up some serious public demand. Of which I've seen none.

That's truly a great matchup for Aldo. If it s a 5 round fight Nate probably ends up looking worse than Faber did. Aldo knows how to pace himself and will be able to outgrapple Diaz. I think Aldo would be smart to fight as many southpaws as possible before facing Mac again as well. I don't think the UFC needs to rush through another Diaz vs McGregor fight it will always be a big money fight even if both are coming off 1 or 2 losses. I would certainly watch them again, they will always make an exciting fight.

Sure, but it's bigger money for the belt.

Not so much rushing as giving McGregor the best chance to stay at the top of the heap. He's got two nasty fuckers staring him in the face and Diaz is the only other fight they can 'justify'.

Khabib is doing the right thing though and making a ton of noise. Sadly the UFC could get away with another Diaz fight though, would be hard to justify to hardcore fans though.

Speaking of people who have been fucked over by the UFC, how's their fornicating firm over Cyborg and the 145 division? They didn't want to make one or so long(and I don't believe it's a coincidence that Rousey could be finished and they make one) then they decide to make the division, Cyborg asks for a March date so she can have some time off before dieting and training hard again so they make a shitty title fight instead of waiting a month or so for Cyborg. Like bruh
Edit to add: Just read that Holm's team turned down Cyborg at 145 when they were first offered the title shot. Like wtf

I know some guys have been fucked over in the past but I don't remember it being this bad before in the past 3 or so months.
Khabib
Ferguson
Aldo
Jacare - Deserved the shot over Hendo, Rockhold pulls out of their fight so has no chance to get the shot over Romero now
Cyborg

That's a lot of top rated fighters to happen to in such a short period I hope the trend doesn't continue. I've probably missed a few.

p4p1 wrote:Khabib is doing the right thing though and making a ton of noise. Sadly the UFC could get away with another Diaz fight though, would be hard to justify to hardcore fans though.

Hard core fans buy it anyway. The product is too strong. I'd buy a zombie/Choi fight from South Korea.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

p4p1 wrote:Khabib is doing the right thing though and making a ton of noise. Sadly the UFC could get away with another Diaz fight though, would be hard to justify to hardcore fans though.

Hard core fans buy it anyway. The product is too strong. I'd buy a zombie/Choi fight from South Korea.

I would watch those two fight whenever they fight tbh I would be angry that Diaz is getting the shot but I would still watch it. KZ vs Choi would be awesome. Rumours are floating around of Lawler vs Nick Diaz at 209, I wonder if nate will get up for a fight at 209 and if he does who would they put him in with?

I don't mind fun/money fights for titles but there's been too many lately.

Bisping/hendo was amazing. Better than any Silva fight.

I have to say I'm a little sick of Nick Diaz getting thrown in to all these high-profile fights. The guy is 33 years old and hasn't won a fight since 2011. Let him have a comeback fight with someone like Cote or Brown or Nelson to at least show he belongs in there with the top guys first.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Bisping/hendo was amazing. Better than any Silva fight.

Sure but it should've been made after Bisping lost to Jacare.

So currently from what I'm reading is...
After calling out Aldo for 208 and Aldo excepting and saying his/UFC plan was always to fight the winner in feb Halloway is now saying he won't fight at 208 because he wants to enjoy Christmas. Which would be fair enough if he hadn't of made that post fight speech. Aldo also says if he isn't fighting Halloway he will fight at 155. I wonder if he fights at 155 who they'll put him in against though maybe Barboza? Looks great during the fight but is chinny as all fornicate.

Bisping is saying he will retire once he loses the belt. Good move IMO he's climbed to the top of the mountain but he's got some guys coming for him I think he maybe deep down knows he won't beat. He's had a ton of fights been knocked out a few times and been seriously hurt at times as well. 38/39 call it a career I say. UFC should set up a gimme fight in England for him once he drops the belt though. I'm not a massive fan but he deserves to go out on a win.

jujigatame wrote:I have to say I'm a little sick of Nick Diaz getting thrown in to all these high-profile fights. The guy is 33 years old and hasn't won a fight since 2011. Let him have a comeback fight with someone like Cote or Brown or Nelson to at least show he belongs in there with the top guys first.

He hasn't shown that he doesn't belong either. Many thought he beat Condit. He bruised up GSP something awful. And he was extremely competitive with Silva after having moving up a weight. Considering his inactivity, he still shows to be a force. Plus, he sells. I have no issue with his receiving high profile fights.

GSP dominated him and won every round. So did Anderson. The Condit fight was close. It was also nearly 5 years ago. I get that Diaz is an exciting fighter to watch, but his drawing power dwarfs his ability to actually be competitive with top fighters.

jujigatame wrote:GSP dominated him and won every round. So did Anderson. The Condit fight was close. It was also nearly 5 years ago. I get that Diaz is an exciting fighter to watch, but his drawing power dwarfs his ability to actually be competitive with top fighters.

He's a 170 pounder. I'll bet he is still among the top 5 of the division. I have little doubt he beats the likes of Brown, Cote, Cerrone, etc... Maia would be a death match for him. However, I can see Wonderboy and Woodley matches very intriguing.

I'd bet that he's very far from the top 5 and will likely never crack the top 10 again, but maybe he'll prove me wrong against Lawler.

jujigatame wrote:I'd bet that he's very far from the top 5 and will likely never crack the top 10 again, but maybe he'll prove me wrong against Lawler.

I'd take him to KO Lawler again.

I was never that high on either Diaz brother both have been and likely will always be gatekeepers.

p4p1 wrote:I was never that high on either Diaz brother both have been and likely will always be gatekeepers.

I hear ya, but I think Nick deserves a bit more credit than that. I had him beating Condit, who was the #2 guy in the division at the time they fought.

Impractical Poster wrote:

jujigatame wrote:I have to say I'm a little sick of Nick Diaz getting thrown in to all these high-profile fights. The guy is 33 years old and hasn't won a fight since 2011. Let him have a comeback fight with someone like Cote or Brown or Nelson to at least show he belongs in there with the top guys first.

He hasn't shown that he doesn't belong either. Many thought he beat Condit. He bruised up GSP something awful. And he was extremely competitive with Silva after having moving up a weight. Considering his inactivity, he still shows to be a force. Plus, he sells. I have no issue with his receiving high profile fights.

I've wanted to see the Lawler rematch for years.